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[ChorizoPicozo]

Not that smart.

 

[Trunx81]

Just saw the film and I was wondering if the monologue Edward Norton has about “disruption” at the pool is the directors answer to the critics of his “The Last Jedi”?

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Just saw the film and I was wondering if the monologue Edward Norton has about “disruption” at the pool is the directors answer to the critics of his “The Last Jedi”?

I dont think so. The last jedi was about

Subverting expectations.

 

[Salz01]

The first hour is pretty good. The point where the lights go out, it went downhill. Knives was solid, but this turned fucking stupid at the half hour mark.

 

[squeakywheel]

I was bored the first act then stayed to the end just to watch the eye candies (Helen, Whiskey and Peg).

 

[trikster40]

Nowhere near as good as the first. Had it figured out pretty early on aside from a few details that they spell out for you like you’re 10 years old.

Aren’t they doing a third one? May pass on it based off of this one.

 

[Billbofet]

Figured this one out early but was still having an okay time until that dogshit ending. One of the worst finales I have seen in a while. As much as Rain likes to subvert, he could not have been much more cliched and obvious here. Great performances all around though.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

I felt very invested after the mid-movie twist. The entirety of the second act is "How are these characters getting out of a situation we've seen go so badly!" And you still had the mystery of the attempt on Mile's life still hanging in the air and how this all tied in to the events from a new perspective (trying to sound vague for anyone accidentally browsing to this thread, though I've already seen someone post open spoilers).

We had very different experiences watching the film then.

 

[Valonquar]

Whole lot of plotholes and dumb writing. Nowhere near as good as the 1st one, and of course he's making a 3rd one.

 

[mxbison]

Nowhere near as fun, smart, and charming as the first one.

Surprised this is receiving pretty good feedback, I thought it was like 5/10 at best.

 

[TaylorSwiftFan]

What a shitshow of a movie. Started well enough. Went downhill after the lights went out - with the pacing and storytelling. More importantly, it’s not believable.

 

[EddieVanHelgen]

Not as clever as it thinks it is. Just like its creator.

 

[12Goblins]

was disappointed there wasn't much of a murder mystery for the audience to try to figure out, but its entertaining and some sensible chuckles along the way. also whiskey god dam

 

[ResilientBanana]

Terrible movie.

 

[PaddyOCanager]

Good performances, overall average movie. When a certain character survived, my opinion of the movie plummeted. I had the same problem with Rian's TLJ - he introduces scenes that could have serious and interesting consequences, but then lacks the balls to actually follow through on them.

I wasn't too concerned about figuring out stuff early on - hell, the original told you up front what happened, and it was more about the ensuing fallout and twists. As other people have mentioned, Glass Onion thinks it's cleverer than what it is and doesn't deliver on that premise.

 

[Mossybrew]

Agree with most of you here, movie just got worse as it went along, tried to be too clever. First one was much better.

 

[sinnergy]

I liked it , it was different than the first one, this one really picked up in the second half

 

[jason10mm]

I'm actually really surprised the ending wasn't

Spoiler: Alternate ending idea

the twin WASN'T dead, they were running a long con against Craig and Norton both. After all, we really have no proof of the twins death, say she survived the monoxide poisoning and got her twin (not some pedestrian school teacher but someone equally formidable) to help get revenge and STEAL the Mona lisa. In other words, the black lady is actually as bad, if not worse, than the others.

 

[ÆMNE22A!C]

I didn't watch with my extremely critical eye. Just chill and watch whatever happens. Craigs performance wss awesome. The glee when having the chance for a real case again but still resevered and serious enough to acknowledge he couldn't be a "bodyguard" while keeping his composure for his chance to escape his solitary insanity inducing state was a joy to watch.


Guess I get joy out of movies like I do out of games and music. Good fragments do a lot for me.

 

[Trunx81]

Best character was the mother solving the puzzles. Got most laugh out of her.

 

[Badlucktroll]

Is Rian still getting his own star wars trilogy?

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Is Rian still getting his own star wars trilogy?

God I hope not, hopefully Bob Iger knows about not throwing good money after bad.

 

[Neolombax]

Was let down by the reveal, the setup of the case was also not particularly interesting. The movie starts pretty slow too. First movie was definitely better.

 

[Hugare]

I'm actually really surprised the ending wasn't

Spoiler: Alternate ending idea

the twin WASN'T dead, they were running a long con against Craig and Norton both. After all, we really have no proof of the twins death, say she survived the monoxide poisoning and got her twin (not some pedestrian school teacher but someone equally formidable) to help get revenge and STEAL the Mona lisa. In other words, the black lady is actually as bad, if not worse, than the others.

My theory was exact the same! It would have been SO much better

The ending was such wet fart, jesus. How the person got killed was obvious, not so much about the perpetrator. But I never thought that it could be that person because it would be so dumb ... and it turns out that it was.

Also, the movie felt so small in tems of scale. They had the whole island to work with, but it was all located in one room, basically.

People here are saying that the first movie was better, so I'll check that out.

 

[TaylorSwiftFan]

I didn't watch with my extremely critical eye. Just chill and watch whatever happens. Craigs performance wss awesome. The glee when having the chance for a real case again but still resevered and serious enough to acknowledge he couldn't be a "bodyguard" while keeping his composure for his chance to escape his solitary insanity inducing state was a joy to watch.


Guess I get joy out of movies like I do out of games and music. Good fragments do a lot for me.

Translation: Turned off my brain and I enjoyed it.

 

[TaylorSwiftFan]

Also, anyone found it odd that no one had a problem with what that person did to that valuable thing?

 

[ÆMNE22A!C]

Translation: Turned off my brain and I enjoyed it.

Ok

 

[ÆMNE22A!C]

Also, anyone found it odd that no one had a problem with what that person did to that valuable thing?

Maybe you had to turn your brain off and didn't think about it?

 

[The ninja farmer]

Preferred the first movie. But this had its moments (blanc in the bath and then solving the ‘about to be crime, before it happens’ and a few throw away lines/moments here and there)

Seen worse, but after how much fun the first movie was, i was maybe hoping for a bit more

I still also think that Rian Johnson still hasn’t truly refined his groove yet. Maybe by the third one he will have it

 

[GymWolf]

I dont think so. The last jedi was about

Subverting expectations.

The only thing it subverted was my bowel movements after watching that shitshow...

 

[FunkMiller]

I'm actually really surprised the ending wasn't

Spoiler: Alternate ending idea

the twin WASN'T dead, they were running a long con against Craig and Norton both. After all, we really have no proof of the twins death, say she survived the monoxide poisoning and got her twin (not some pedestrian school teacher but someone equally formidable) to help get revenge and STEAL the Mona lisa. In other words, the black lady is actually as bad, if not worse, than the others.

Oh yeah, I was convinced

Spoiler

the twin was still alive,

and that would be the twist.

But in the end, Johnson is all about subverting those expectations, so no clever twist for us!

 

[Hugare]

Oh yeah, I was convinced

Spoiler

the twin was still alive,

and that would be the twist.

But in the end, Johnson is all about subverting those expectations, so no clever twist for us!

Subverting expectations with the most boring end possible makes me wonder if it was worth it

Spoiler: STORY SPOILER

If the other twin was alive, also in the island, changing places with her sister from time to time would lead to a much more rewatchable movie where you would be guessing in what scenes were X or Y

 

[jason10mm]

Subverting expectations with the most boring end possible makes me wonder if it was worth it

Spoiler: STORY SPOILER

If the other twin was alive, also in the island, changing places with her sister from time to time would lead to a much more rewatchable movie where you would be guessing in what scenes were X or Y

Not to mention give Blanc some actual detecting to do and then he could decide to intervene or let it play out.

 

[PaddyOCanager]

Also, anyone found it odd that no one had a problem with what that person did to that valuable thing?

Yes!

I was feeling pretty down on the movie by that point anyway, so when that happened I was actually kind of annoyed. Not to mention the fact everyone realistically would have been killed when they did what they did.

 

[Billbofet]

Also, every single one of these people would go to jail. All of them.
The reality is this isn't the mic drop moment I think it's supposed to be, but then again, this is an alternate reality.
I'm overthinking this ending as it bothered me quite a bit. It's so fucking dumb.

Spoiler: Story Spoiler

You can't blow someone's house up and endanger all these people. People who all committed perjury months prior to this.

 

[winjer]

I saw it today, had fun with it, but the last part of the movie didn't feel as satisfactory as the first one.
Still, I would recommend it, as it's a good movie.

 

[DonJorginho]

These two films are easily two of the most overrated films I've seen in years.

People heralding them as some return to a golden era of cinema when they barely scrape past the realm of mediocrity. Glass Onion was fractionally better than the first film but again suffered from a shite final act.

 

[PaddyOCanager]

These two films are easily two of the most overrated films I've seen in years.

People heralding them as some return to a golden era of cinema when they barely scrape past the realm of mediocrity. Glass Onion was fractionally better than the first film but again suffered from a shite final act.

 

[DonJorginho]

Hey man I mean I've got nothing against those who enjoyed the films! More power to you lot! But they just didn't meet my expectations and left me severely underwhelmed.

 

[Jaybe]

People heralding them as some return to a golden era of cinema

I’ve never seen this. What an odd strawman.

 

[Pilgrimzero]

Rian Johnson continues to have only 1 good film and it's Looper.

Talk about falling up.

 

[DonJorginho]

I’ve never seen this. What an odd strawman.

You must have missed all the reviewers and articles mentioning how Knives Out had revived the whodunnit genre and made murder mysteries interesting and mainstream again

 

[Jaybe]

You must have missed all the reviewers and articles mentioning how Knives Out had revived the whodunnit genre and made murder mysteries interesting and mainstream again

Well phrasing that as ‘a return to the golden age of cinema’ is a stretch imho

 

[Billbofet]

Well phrasing that as ‘a return to the golden age of cinema’ is a stretch imho

It was very critically acclaimed when KO first released. I think it was because it only had to be better than TLJ (lowest bar ever). I also feel critics stick up for RJ for all that manufactured "toxic fandom" he endured for making TLJ - pointing out how out of touch critics are with the audience. Like many have already posted in this thread, he is not nearly as clever or subversive as he thinks, yet he will most likely be a critical darling for the rest of his career.

 

[Jaybe]

It was very critically acclaimed when KO first released. I think it was because it only had to be better than TLJ (lowest bar ever). I also feel critics stick up for RJ for all that manufactured "toxic fandom" he endured for making TLJ - pointing out how out of touch critics are with the audience. Like many have already posted in this thread, he is not nearly as clever or subversive as he thinks, yet he will most likely be a critical darling for the rest of his career.

For sure the first was acclaimed. But using ‘return to the golden age of cinema’ was just hyperbole from the author.

 

[touchfuzzy]

Both Knives Out movies aren't particularly good, my wife and I couldn't be bothered to finish either and just read the ending online.

 

[Insane Metal]

It's ok, I liked the first one better. But it's not the wonderful film I see some trying to say it is.

 

[RJMacready73]

Nowhere near as good as the first one, guessed the killer right away and was hoping it wouldn't be that easy so went with

Spoiler: Spoiler

the sisters faked one of their deaths

bla bla bla and when it was revealed, I just face palmed and the whole ending was a complete wtf but not in a good way at least the kids enjoyed it, 5/10

 

[Melon Husk]

I liked the first Knives Out apart from some unintentionally funny writing, which kind of worked in favor of the movie as a whole.

This "sequel" would have been passable, if told linearly, and had it been half an hour shorter.

Ryan Johnson's problem is that he tries to be "smart". He's probably qualified to write dumb movies.
Writing a dumb movie, then trying to make it smart and calling out how dumb it is in the dialogue, IS DUMB.
This "subverting expectations" BS is insulting to the audience.

- Retelling the movie in the final third with flashbacks served no purpose at all. It's a hack writer red flag, confusing to the audience and made Ryan feel like he did something smart.
- The dialogue made me almost die of embarrasment on behalf of Ryan. Jurassic World Dominion tier writing, which I also had the misfortune of watching not too long ago.
- The mid third was OK. Parts of it felt like a real movie, instead of Ryan's ADHD riddled brain hallucinating a movie.

 

[Ballthyrm]

Really cool double interview of Rian Johnson & Joseph Kosinski