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Kobe Bryant Told Police of O'Neal Payouts to women.
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You should stop thinking about it now to avoid disappointment - come on nothing'll ever happen.
I know nothing about your 'basket ball' but even I know that David Stern isn't going to have shit go down on his watch if it makes his little empire look even remotely bad. $5 right now says that someone (*cough*Kobe*cough*) has a nagging injury leading up to the big day and gosh darnit if it doesn't flare up on, say, the 24th. Call it "Curtis Josephitis of the knee". The only way they'll face each other is if it's all gotten so overhyped it gets to the point that they don't even look at each other because of all the shit that got talked in the leadup means that the audience is 50% trial attorneys praying for an elbow foul they can make their name on.
I know nothing about your 'basket ball' but even I know that David Stern isn't going to have shit go down on his watch if it makes his little empire look even remotely bad. $5 right now says that someone (*cough*Kobe*cough*) has a nagging injury leading up to the big day and gosh darnit if it doesn't flare up on, say, the 24th. Call it "Curtis Josephitis of the knee". The only way they'll face each other is if it's all gotten so overhyped it gets to the point that they don't even look at each other because of all the shit that got talked in the leadup means that the audience is 50% trial attorneys praying for an elbow foul they can make their name on.
Musashi Wins!
FLAWLESS VICTOLY!
Screw fighting. Can't wait for Kobe to take it to the lane this season. He's a total POS.
:lolcalder said:
Seriously man, this is an NBA marketing exec's dream showdown. Sure, Stern will pull aside both parties before the game to warn against any bullshit during the game, but you bet your bottom dollar that the NBA will let the hype machine run to 200mph all the way until tipoff Christmas Day. It's too perfect.
Kobe's image will never be the same, but Bish is right this is the best thing that could have happened in the NBA. The worst thing that could have happened is that no one would care about the upcoming season. There are tons of casual fans that normally could care less that will tune in to see every Laker game and ESPECIALLY the Laker/Heat game. Even before the rape allegation, people were really polarized on Kobe, now it will be even more so. And if Kobe wins games and puts up stats that will make it all the more compelling.
bionic77 said:
Where the fuck did you get your law degree from, watching Law and Order? The cops can go up to anyone and ask them anything without telling them they can have a lawyer. Only after the individual becomes a formal suspect or that they have enough evidence to get a warrent or make an arrest are they obligated to tell you your rights. A cop can walk up to you and act as nice as they fucking want, pretend to be a long lost relative, ask you if you killed Jack fucking Kennedy, and if your ass is dumb enough to say yes, then you need to go to jail. Shit even Konex won't defend Kobe. This is like fucking Jesus telling people God was wrong on that stoneing the gays comment he made in the Bible.
Boogie9IGN
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Jordan > Kobe > Shaq
Shaq sucks, minus Kazaam, which is a godly piece of art. I'm torn though because I don't like snitches, yet I love Kobe. Decisions..decisions..
Shaq sucks, minus Kazaam, which is a godly piece of art. I'm torn though because I don't like snitches, yet I love Kobe. Decisions..decisions..
bionic77 said:
First the Cops told him they were investigating a claim made against him by a woman. He was not in custody he may or may not have been detained, which legally is different than being in custody. When a Cop pulls you over you are being detained, but you don't have to be read your rights before the Cop asks you to show them your license and insurance, or ask you if you raped a chick withn the last day or two. He was informed of why they were there, they IDed themselves as officers. The fact that they did so in a pleasent tone and didn't treat him in and agresive manner is moot.
DarienA said:
Now remember it has been awhile since I took Crim Pro, but I believe the test is something like "when a reasonable person would not think they are free to leave", at that point you are considered to be in custody and the police are supposed to give you your Miranda rights.
It is of course totally debateable whether or not that was the case.
Fuck you bastards for making me want to get out my Crim Pro book to get an answer, then again I think I might have sold it.
Edit: Looking through my old Crim. Pro outline I found pretty much the same rule I listed, now whether or not Kobe thought he was free to leave is another question, but that is the rule for determining whether or not you are in custody as far as Miranda is concerned.
why the hell would you sell your Crim Pro book... it's like you never took the course now, no one is expected to retain all that shit, you need the book for reference. The only thing you retain is analytical skills.
Hope you got more then 20 dollars for that 100 dollar casebook.
Hope you got more then 20 dollars for that 100 dollar casebook.
levious said:
You kept all of your law school textbooks? I only keep some of them that I think I might need in the future like Evidence, Immigration (I might work for an immigration firm next year), but for the most part I sell them back and unfortunately don't get too much back. I really don't have the space for that many books in my crappy apartment though.
Lil' Dice said:
:lol That's the way it is...
DMczaf said:Hey, don't try to pull a Kobe on us. Take the heat Kobe fans, dont put it on us
:lol I was gonna say the same thing...
:lol
bionic77 said:
:lol
bionic77 said:
:lol You're kidding right? Kobe couldn't even handle Chris fucking Childs. :lol Shaq would literally murder Kobe if they ever got into it. My question is what will happen if Kobe tries to drive into the paint.
Either way, this game is going to draw the biggest ratings for the NBA since the '98 finals.
Anyway, there's simply no defense of Kobe here...snitching on a guy in a situation that has NOTHING to do with him (regardless of the accusation being false or true) is about as bitch a move as you can make. And you wonder why people keep talking about Kobe's lack of street cred. As Lil' Dice said, if he'd made this move as a regular joe on the street he would be DEAD. No questions asked. You see someone like Ray Lewis, who was willing to go to jail for not implicating his friends in anyway in a murder rap, and almost went down for murder himself as a result. While the middle aged, whitewashed media with their relatively safe upbringing sees this as evidence of Lewis being a bad apple, people that actually live in the real world gained HUGE respect for him because he didn't betray his friends willingly and acted like a MAN. It really isn't complicated, and the fact that anyone can defend this shows that some people are simply out of touch with reality.
Kobe will forever be known as a bitch...not for cheating on his wife, not for being accussed of rape, but for diming out someone in a situation that had nothing to do with him. Too bad for him.
Ninja Scooter
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i think Kobe snitching out Shaq was a bitchy, desperate move, but WTF? Anyone who GAINS respect for Ray Lewis because he lied to cops to try and protect a couple of deatbeat, murderer friends either has questionable morals, or is trying too hard. "Street cred" can suck a dick.
When you're willing to put your balls on the line to fry for your friends (a hard thing to do) instead of simply giving up anything you know about anyone just to save your ass (which is the easy thing to do), you gain respect. Not for doing the right thing...but for doing the hard thing.
And if you're gonna tell me that you wouldn't do everything in your power to keep a family member you know out of jail even though you knew they probably did something, then I'd say there's something wrong with you. Blood comes first in my eyes.
And if you're gonna tell me that you wouldn't do everything in your power to keep a family member you know out of jail even though you knew they probably did something, then I'd say there's something wrong with you. Blood comes first in my eyes.
oh hell no, If a family member does something wrong, I will help out to keep him out of Jail, but if my ass is going to be on the line for something stupid that family member does, bye, see you whenever. Same thing for a "friend" I'm not going to jail for a friend if he/she does a crime like murder. WTF would I want to have someone like that around me.
Loki said:Sounds like you should be studying instead of prolifically posting. Remember-- if you don't pass the Bar, it was likely Kobe's fault.
:lol
It is my 3rd year, all I care about right now is getting a job and my client for clinic. Plus, thanks to Kobe I get to review all sorts of criminal laws that i had forgotten! Rape, custodial interrogation, now what did you ever learn from watching Jordan?
bionic77 said::lol
It is my 3rd year, all I care about right now is getting a job and my client for clinic. Plus, thanks to Kobe I get to review all sorts of criminal laws that i had forgotten! Rape, custodial interrogation, now what did you ever learn from watching Jordan?
That was a very clever dodge-- you really must be a lawyer.
As for what I've learned from Jordan (and what Kobe could stand to learn from him too, seeing how he's aped everything else), I have but one word: PIMP.
I know for a fact that Shaq has pay'd out women... but not with money with threats... "you rat me out and you'll be forced to watch Kazaam and Steel...over and over and over... and in between you're intermissions will be filled with the soothing music of my rap albums... ya been warned b*tch."
bionic77 said:
Hell, I knew they didnt' have to read him Miranda in the first place. When police investigate a complaint, they are not taking a person into custody. At any point Kobe has the right to say "I'm not going to say any more, so either arrest me or leave." Just because a person doesn't know their rights doesn't mean the police have to change their investigation.
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DMczaf said:
LOL!!
Ninja Scooter
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Shinobi said:
some people don't deserve to go out on a line for. Like people who would stab somebody and leave them bleeding to death in the middle of the street. And i sure as hell wouldn't be taking the rap for a lowlife like that, no matter how long we've been friends. Why the fuck should i be responsible for them when they aren't willing to be responsible themselves? Its one thing when we're talking about snitching on someone cheating on their wife/girlfriend, thats just being a bitch, but when shit like murder gets involved, its a whole different ballgame.
you think Ray Lewis still hangs out with those punks? If he was being "real" and true to his roots, he would be, but he probably isn't. He knows he fucked up. And he knows that trying to keep it "real" and hanging out with the people from his childhood neighborhood was a mistake, because said people are worthless pieces of shit.
Nerevar said:
Dude I just told you what the law is, you don't have to be in actual custody, as long as you "think you can't leave" then you are supposed to get your Miranda and anything obtained during that questioning will not be admitted into court (unless it falls into some exceptions that I can't remember). Now whether that was the case with Kobe is a matter of opinion. It all depends on the facts of the case and you could come down either way on this.
I wonder if Kobe is going to say anything about this, as far as I know he hasn't said anything related to his case, except for that "apology". He really should either apologize to Shaq (saying what he was said wasn't true, even if it was) OR he should deny that he ever said anything to the cops about Shaq or that they totally misinterpreted it. I mean this is a low blow, Shaq has a family and even if Kobe hates Shaq he shouldn't try to break up his family (true or not, that isn't Kobe or anyone else's business). Granted Kobe didn't say this stuff publicly or ever expect it to become public, but he obviously fucked up here and he should be a man here and apologize to Shaq (even if it is true). Staying silent would probably be the worst thing he could do here.
Bionic... you're really stretching the "think you can't leave" thing... it has to be more than, "damn, those cops were really intimidating." It's not the same sort of standard as false imprisonment, where the analysis falls on the victim's perception. Remember Objective vs. Subjective.
BUY YOUR CASEBOOKS BACK!
Also, never answer a legal question off of the top of your head. The answer to every legal question should be, "let me get back to you on that."
BUY YOUR CASEBOOKS BACK!
Also, never answer a legal question off of the top of your head. The answer to every legal question should be, "let me get back to you on that."
levious said:
Let me get back to you on that....
Haha, dude I know the standard is more then that and that it is heavily fact dependant, but I thought that was a good way of explaining it (apparently not though). And you honestly keep all of your casebooks? If you want to find the law in a particular field there are far more useful books then casebooks. The last two summers while working on a wide variety of issues, I never really found my casebooks to be that helpful. They are helpful to get the general idea for the law, but I never really looked at a casebook when I was writing a memo or brief.
they are an excellent starting point, giving you the leading cases on a particular issue along with reference to leading commentary on the issue. It saves you the ridiculous amount of money Lexis/Westlaw charge per month for what amounts to the same service. From there, any local law library will provide adequate resources for further research.
levious said:
I don't know, I used to think the same way, but I have found some real gems on certain subjects, both in the firm library and at a local law library. This summer I was doing mainly immigration and while I had taken immigration and had kept my textbook, they had this one book that was just written so well that it made it a breeze to find the relevant law on almost anything regarding immigration. Granted I think the firm spends a lot of money to get books like that, but still it is a hell of a lot better then any textbook I have seen. IMHO, casebooks serve their purpose, but when actually researching the law hell I think even a well written brief on Westlaw can sometimes be a better starting point.
Thing is, you can't count on having those resources at you fingertips throughout your career. Not all firms pony up for online research, and most only pay the minimum (federal case searches only). Even more suckage, not all firms have much of an in office library. I just think, if you're gonna be a lawyer for 30 plus years, never get rid of resources.
Plus, who's gonna hire you when I got more books behind MY desk?
Plus, who's gonna hire you when I got more books behind MY desk?
Ninja Scooter
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all Kobe has to do is say the word. I'll take care of Shaquille.
Ninja Scooter
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DMczaf said:
I have a special red phone in my room! THE KOBE HOTLINE!
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