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fart town usa
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Not at you OP but who fucking cares. Don't give clicks to that reddit-tier click bait.
Jennings
Member
The show will persevere regardless of how many reviewers review bomb it online. None of that will change the number of people that tune in to watch and hate-watch every week. If anything these review-bombing efforts will only generate free press and make basement dwellers look even more dwelly than before.
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MiguelItUp
Member
Those sound like valid opinions to me. It's funny, I've definitely seen OTHER types of reviews about the episode, but those are some poor examples.
But again, this is Kotaku we're talking about. I'm glad I stopped going there a decade or so ago. Seeing threads like this is always amusing to me because it's like a "grass is green" situation.
Regardless, review bombing is bullshit, really. Especially when you can see the line where "honest" reviews lie, and BS ones too.
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AV
We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
Meanwhile episode 3 was a better story than 90% of the game.
Hilarious to see people who think it'll be cancelled after that when it was already renewed for Season 2 and will go down at the best TV show of the year.
Hilarious to see people who think it'll be cancelled after that when it was already renewed for Season 2 and will go down at the best TV show of the year.
Swift_Star
Banned
Let them cry, I say, I honestly couldn’t care less. Episode is a masterpiece and will win an Emmy.
Now, saying homosexuality is an agenda will never not be funny and pathetic.
Now, saying homosexuality is an agenda will never not be funny and pathetic.
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sloppyjoe_gamer
Gold Member
I just want to go to the HBO boards for this show and tell them all the Mando is going to get 9 ironed in season 2.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
As soon as you disagree it -has- to be bigotry, because these insane TLOU stans can't fathom someone not liking the thing they worship for other, entirely valid, reasons.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Maybe it's their way of adding filler for the sake of it. Got to pump up the episode count and max out the budget.
If you guys want to see the most boring episodes ever with maximum filler scenes go watch The Punisher on NF. I think each season was about 12 episodes. Literally could had been condensed to 8 each.
If you guys want to see the most boring episodes ever with maximum filler scenes go watch The Punisher on NF. I think each season was about 12 episodes. Literally could had been condensed to 8 each.
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Doczu
Member
I loved Bill's potrayal in the game. His orientation was alluded to and if you were dumb yo not notice Ellie shoved a gay porn mag right in Joel's face.
His character was beautifully written and show. I felt his pain.
I still haven't seen the show cause i want to end Caleidoscope and then bing watch a few episodes but this episode (and the gay sex scene) was impossible go black out online and i have to ask myself and others:
Was it really needed? Did it serve the story or was it nothing more than pandering filler?
His character was beautifully written and show. I felt his pain.
I still haven't seen the show cause i want to end Caleidoscope and then bing watch a few episodes but this episode (and the gay sex scene) was impossible go black out online and i have to ask myself and others:
Was it really needed? Did it serve the story or was it nothing more than pandering filler?
AV
We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
Literally the fourth 1* user review I saw on iMDB refers to it as an "agenda". Never mind that Bill was a gay character in the 2013 game.
As soon as a romance scene is referred to as an agenda and not a romance scene that's bigotry no matter how someone wants to convince themselves it isn't. You don't have to care, but it is. If someone has a problem with it being a full episode being centered around a romance that's a fine, valid criticism. Kotaku gave a bad example, but what I'm talking about ain't hard to find.
This thread is gonna turn into a swamp pretty soon though so I'm not looking for an argument about it.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I find it odd that IMDB users who were very positive on Brokeback Mountain, Six Feet Under and Euphoria which is straight up a trans romance story with several gay characters have now all of a sudden turned into homophobes.
The 1 star ratings appraoching 30% are very high on TLOU, yes. Especially in comparison to Brokeback mountain, Six feet under and Euphoria that all hover around 3%. So assuming 3% of the population is homophobic, why is TLOU's 3rd episode 1 star ratings at 28%!!
Maybe people didnt like a love story side quest in a show about Joel and Ellie. Im sure it being gay didnt help but as we've seen, the IMDB userbase is not your average gamefaq or metacritic audience.
If anything, the show is being overrated by a bunch of people spamming 10s as if its the greatest thing since sliced bread. Euphoria and Brokeback Mountain have around 20% 10 star ratings while TLOU Episode 3 has 54%. Thats way too high and shows that just as many people are overrating the episode.
The 1 star ratings appraoching 30% are very high on TLOU, yes. Especially in comparison to Brokeback mountain, Six feet under and Euphoria that all hover around 3%. So assuming 3% of the population is homophobic, why is TLOU's 3rd episode 1 star ratings at 28%!!
Maybe people didnt like a love story side quest in a show about Joel and Ellie. Im sure it being gay didnt help but as we've seen, the IMDB userbase is not your average gamefaq or metacritic audience.
If anything, the show is being overrated by a bunch of people spamming 10s as if its the greatest thing since sliced bread. Euphoria and Brokeback Mountain have around 20% 10 star ratings while TLOU Episode 3 has 54%. Thats way too high and shows that just as many people are overrating the episode.
Topher
Identifies as young
Not about TLOU fans at all really. This part of the story isn't even in the game. Just implied. Those criticisms are being taken as anti-gay and I'm just not seeing it.
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Coloress_Kafka
Member
Considering all the fucked up shit HBO let’s slide in Euphoria I really don’t think they care about people getting salty about an episode with two old white gay men falling in love.
Ulysses 31
Member
Only the negative review bombs are problematic, all the 10/10 are legit.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Without watching the TLOU episodes aside from maybe half of the first one, the answer is probably somewhere in the middle between trolling, homophobe bombing and a boring episode.I find it odd that IMDB users who were very positive on Brokeback Mountain, Six Feet Under and Euphoria which is straight up a trans romance story with several gay characters have now all of a sudden turned into homophobes.
The 1 star ratings appraoching 30% are very high on TLOU, yes. Especially in comparison to Brokeback mountain, Six feet under and Euphoria that all hover around 3%. So assuming 3% of the population is homophobic, why is TLOU's 3rd episode 1 star ratings at 28%!!
Maybe people didnt like a love story side quest in a show about Joel and Ellie. Im sure it being gay didnt help but as we've seen, the IMDB userbase is not your average gamefaq or metacritic audience.
If anything, the show is being overrated by a bunch of people spamming 10s as if its the greatest thing since sliced bread. Euphoria and Brokeback Mountain have around 20% 10 star ratings while TLOU Episode 3 has 54%. Thats way too high and shows that just as many people are overrating the episode.
If the episode is accurate where someone said 50 minutes was spend on this boring plot, I'd give it a low rating too. My expectation of the series is to be a more attune to high tempo or crisis situations than 2 gay guys. Nobody expects TLOU to be like Brokeback Mountain.
Just to show the anti-gay/anti-lesbian characters arent a big driver of bad scores, Ellie is lesbian and every gamer knows it. If people holistically hated queer people that much, the show would be reviewed bombed right from the first episode.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Yep. ive been saying that since day 1. Everyone knows Ellie is gay. At least all the internet trolls. Hell, Sony had Ellie make out with Dina in a fucking commercial at E3. It's no secret. No one cared and the game sold 4 million copies in the first three days. fastest selling ps exclusive until gow 2.5 years later.
Doczu
Member
People watching Brokeback Mountain or Euphoria and giving it 1 star reviews for "being gay" are retards. You know what you are going into. People wanting to watch TLoU maybe didn't want Brokeback ApocalypseI find it odd that IMDB users who were very positive on Brokeback Mountain, Six Feet Under and Euphoria which is straight up a trans romance story with several gay characters have now all of a sudden turned into homophobes.
The 1 star ratings appraoching 30% are very high on TLOU, yes. Especially in comparison to Brokeback mountain, Six feet under and Euphoria that all hover around 3%. So assuming 3% of the population is homophobic, why is TLOU's 3rd episode 1 star ratings at 28%!!
Maybe people didnt like a love story side quest in a show about Joel and Ellie. Im sure it being gay didnt help but as we've seen, the IMDB userbase is not your average gamefaq or metacritic audience.
If anything, the show is being overrated by a bunch of people spamming 10s as if its the greatest thing since sliced bread. Euphoria and Brokeback Mountain have around 20% 10 star ratings while TLOU Episode 3 has 54%. Thats way too high and shows that just as many people are overrating the episode.
chromhound
Member
I haven't played this game yet. But i guess people are mad this part wasn't in the original game ?
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
I just see dumb shit from just about everyone on this series.
So I think nearly everyone is full of it for different reasons. Several competing shitty exaggerations all fighting for control.
- So far the series has not been THAT good. It's gotten a crazy amount of hype not really proportionate with the quality of the series I've seen. I think part of that insane critic push is because of it fitting in with their ideology and politics. So far nothing has come close to The Walking Dead, and the story is straight up boring. PS fanboys also overhyping the series massively. It's the best game show, but it's still not THAT great. The acting is not great. Joel/Ellie are not great. The action scenes aren't great. Kudos to the set designers though.
- It's bad for Kotaku to label all critics homophobic. Too much of a generalization.
- It's obvious many people are actually homophobic though - especially related to male/male scenes, especially if they're furry, masculine and not typical pretty boy gay characters like Game of Thrones or something.
So I think nearly everyone is full of it for different reasons. Several competing shitty exaggerations all fighting for control.
Thebonehead
Gold Member
Was a 4 out of 10 episode for me as it was just a contrived two people falling in love and aging together episode.
Reminded me of one of those filler episodes of the walking dead where they'd run out of budget as there is no way that episode cost $15m
Reminded me of one of those filler episodes of the walking dead where they'd run out of budget as there is no way that episode cost $15m
Topher
Identifies as young
I think if the show dedicated an episode that expanded on Joel and Tess' implied romantic relationship but didn't actually advance the story as some have said (I haven't seen the episode either) then there would be similar criticism aside from those pointing to an "agenda".
Cyberpunkd
Member
Every day I think my decision to watch only important and valuable things (Tar, The Banshees of Inisherin, etc.) was the right choice to not touch mass culture swamp pit again.
EverydayBeast
ChatGPT 0.1
Tough episode to watch there’s no zombies episode 4, 5 and 6 are coming up I’m fond of the franchise on PlayStation it’s the game to play.
Swift_Star
Banned
theres no such thing as pandering, unless every single straight romance on media is pandering to straights. That being said: the episode moves the plot forward and establishes Joel motivations for what will happen in the end of the show.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
At some point, Bella Ramsay is going to make out with a girl. So that'll be the big lesbian scene, which non-gamers would get first wind of.
Let's see if that episode (which will happen down the road) gets review bombed too, while taking into consideration how action packed or boring the episode is.
Thirty7ven
Banned
The straights??? Uh
Anyway
Yeah
It was a great episode and people who are review bombing it because they can’t take two men kissing should honestly do everyone a favor and unplug from the matrix.
Anyway
Yeah
It was a great episode and people who are review bombing it because they can’t take two men kissing should honestly do everyone a favor and unplug from the matrix.
I said as such in the main thread. The love story was wonderful but I didn't think it fit into the show. I do not think that critics would be as glowing about the episode if 50 minutes had been spent on a similarly basic heterosexual romance.
Swift_Star
Banned
No one cared? Do not rewrite history. People raged on social media about the trailer opening up with that kiss to the point some were saying “they made Ellie gay” lol.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
As I wrote elsewhere, the problem was only that it was done in a such a basic way. You could gender swap it and people would point out how trite and simplistic its treatment of love in a time of calamity is.
I do not have an issue with the homosexuality, what I have qualms about is that this romantic idyll is playing out within walking distance of the mass grave of innocent townsfolk executed by the authorities. Most of all that this doesn't factor into the reality of Bill and Frank's relationship when the entirety of the former's character is defined by his survivalist paranoia.
For me it should have started out well as shown in the show, but ended up like it did in the game with Frank becoming resentful of living in cage with an untrusting and naturally suspicious partner. There's a good dynamic to explore here with Frank just looking for peace and a sense of what his life and interests used to be. But that conflict is hand-waved away in a couple of short scenes... Which just struck me as cheap.
Frank, as written in the show, is no more no less a "good wife" stereotype. He does art and picks out their wardrobes, worries about the decor of a fucking boutique IN A TOWN THATS BASICALLY BEEN GENOCIDED. And Bill's so down with that he joins his lover in death at the end....
Nope. Sorry to me that's not good writing and worse "representation".
I do not have an issue with the homosexuality, what I have qualms about is that this romantic idyll is playing out within walking distance of the mass grave of innocent townsfolk executed by the authorities. Most of all that this doesn't factor into the reality of Bill and Frank's relationship when the entirety of the former's character is defined by his survivalist paranoia.
For me it should have started out well as shown in the show, but ended up like it did in the game with Frank becoming resentful of living in cage with an untrusting and naturally suspicious partner. There's a good dynamic to explore here with Frank just looking for peace and a sense of what his life and interests used to be. But that conflict is hand-waved away in a couple of short scenes... Which just struck me as cheap.
Frank, as written in the show, is no more no less a "good wife" stereotype. He does art and picks out their wardrobes, worries about the decor of a fucking boutique IN A TOWN THATS BASICALLY BEEN GENOCIDED. And Bill's so down with that he joins his lover in death at the end....
Nope. Sorry to me that's not good writing and worse "representation".
PaddyOCanager
Member
It's not pandering, and it technically served the story in its conclusion.
I personally didn't like it because I thought it was heavy handed with its message, tropey and boring. It eschewed storytelling opportunities the game didn't explore to tell a simple love story instead, complete with a Romeo & Juliet-esque ending.
GeeseGoose
Member
While I think that the show has been a bit meh so far, and Joel & Ellie are absolutely unlikable in the show, the Bill & Frank subplot was wonderfully acted, heart-wrenching and overall the best thing about this show.
Love is love and the actors knocked it out of the park in portraying that.
Love is love and the actors knocked it out of the park in portraying that.
Everything will be okay.
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