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[EN250]

Always thought it was some second/third tier franchise, the one that really caught my attention was the VR one, but then I watched a playthrough of Youngblood and it was awful...

 

[DeepEnigma]

so you can't tell me? thought so.

I am not getting into an ideological pissing contest which I already know we won't see eye to eye.

Especially for one who claims to be deadpan and doesn't care about narrative in narrative driven games.

It's a waste of both of our time.

We have a many threads on here for look up when the game came out and Evilore as well as others touched on some of it briefly in here if you feel so inclined.

Always thought it was some second/third tier franchise, the one that really caught my attention was the VR one, but then I watched a playthrough of Youngblood and it was awful...

Back in the day it was a cornerstone IP. Was the OG predating DOOM and a good B-rated movie styled narrative alternative to the more serious/historical MoH or original CoD.

How it has fallen, sad.

 

[AndrewRyan]

The gameplay in New Colossus is fire. The only better feeling shooters IMO are the Doom series. Didn't care for the feel of the gameplay in New Order or Old Blood. Youngblood and Cyberpilot are both horrible. Most likely it was MachineGames working with Id on the New Colossus that created something special. Hopefully they can re-capture that again in Wolfenstein 3.

 

[kevboard]

I am not getting into an ideological pissing contest which I already know we won't see eye to eye.

Especially for one who claims to be deadpan and doesn't care about narrative in narrative driven games.

It's a waste of both of our time.

We have a many threads on here for look up when the game came out and Evilore as well as others touched on some of it briefly in here if you feel so inclined.

all I saw there was that he thought it was too wacky I guess... again... who cares?

I grew up laughing my ass off at the nazis screaming "main layben" and "skuffaffel", as the Americans recording the voice overs try to say "mein Leben" and "Schutzstaffel", with the low sound fidelity not helping them either

I grew up fighting Mecha Hitler... that looked like a fucking South Park parody.

"oh no, Wolfenstein 2 was a bit too wacky!"
who cares? in the first one they go to a secret Jewish scifi cave... like... what?

Wolfenstein was always dumb as fuck.

Back in t e day it was a cornerstone IP. Was the OG predating DOOM and a good B-rated movie styled narrative alternative to the more serious/historical MoH or original CoD.

How it has fallen, sad.

it never was a cornerstone IP. Wolfenstein was always B-tier and was never a huge hit.

the original 2 Wolfenstein games are so unknown, people probably don't even know they exist.

Wolfenstein 3D was revolutionary, but wasn't a big title compared to other games of its time. I think it sold less units than Mario Paint sold in europe alone lol.
the only sales numbers I can find is a combined 100k in 1993 of Wolfenstein 3D and its sequel (which probably most people also don't know exists) Spear of Destiny.

and that was the last Wolfenstein game iD ever made. they since completely outsourced the development of new games and focussed on other titles themselves.
Wolfenstein 3D basically helped them get some minor success, which they then used to make other games. it was a stepping stone for them, not a corner stone.

Return to Castle Wolfenstein sold decently well, but also wasn't a huge title.
and the sequel completely flopped.


the fact that Machine Games' titles were as successful as they were was honestly surprising to me.
and even that was not a super massive hit. but still a surprisingly good performance for the series. and I think the by far most successful game of the franchise

 

[DeepEnigma]

all I saw there was that he thought it was too wacky I guess... again... who cares?

I grew up laughing my ass off at the nazis screaming "main layben" and "skuffaffel", as the Americans recording the voice overs try to say "mein Leben" and "Schutzstaffel", with the low sound fidelity not helping them either

I grew up fighting Mecha Hitler... that looked like a fucking South Park parody.

"oh no, Wolfenstein 2 was a bit too wacky!"
who cares? in the first one they go to a secret Jewish scifi cave... like... what?

Wolfenstein was always dumb as fuck.





it never was a cornerstone IP. Wolfenstein was always B-tier and was never a huge hit.

the original 2 Wolfenstein games are so unknown, people probably don't even know they exist.

Wolfenstein 3D was revolutionary, but wasn't a big title compared to other games of its time. I think it sold less units than Mario Paint sold in europe alone lol.
the only sales numbers I can find is a combined 100k in 1993 of Wolfenstein 3D and its sequel (which probably most people also don't know exists) Spear of Destiny.

and that was the last Wolfenstein game iD ever made. they since completely outsourced the development of new games and focussed on other titles themselves.
Wolfenstein 3D basically helped them get some minor success, which they then used to make other games. it was a stepping stone for them, not a corner stone.

Return to Castle Wolfenstein sold decently well, but also wasn't a huge title.
and the sequel completely flopped.


the fact that Machine Games' titles were as successful as they were was honestly surprising to me.
and even that was not a super massive hit. but still a surprisingly good performance for the series. and I think the by far most successful game of the franchise

I agree.

Maybe it was just near and dear to the 'growing up with gaming since its inception' nostalgic hearts.

And being mainly a PC gamer at the time from 3D and Dune (RTS) in gaming labs at school as well as with the PC gaming bubble where RtCW was the bees knees hype.

Then DOOM changed everything going forward.

But I still stand by my original statements in the thread.

Wolfenstein and The Old Blood were decent. Everything after that was down the tubes.

They should reboot it back in the RtCW aesthetic.

 

[John Bilbo]

I've heard very good things about the Return to Castle Wolfenstein remaster mod or whatever it is called. I've the game but have not yet played the damn thing!

 

[TintoConCasera]

narrative? in Wolfenstein? who the fuck cares?

also what exactly was the issue? I didn't see any

A bad narrative can hurt the pacing of the game, which imo was the case with that game. Also some of it was pure cringe.

I still enjoyed the game, but some decisions felt a bit weird.

 

[GymWolf]

Love the Hitler segment in 2. More of that please.

I was laughing non-stop during that cutscene.

 

[MayauMiao]

Wolfenstein Youngblood makes me want to play as a Nazi just so I could kill off the Blazkowicz's daughters.

 

[JCK75]

Going to Kalshi to bet that the end villian is Mecha-Trump.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Going to Kalshi to bet that the end villian is Mecha-Trump.

The new protagonist in the cut-scene of the final boss.

 

[Ishma3L]

New Order was an amazing reboot for the character and franchise. Deathshead was a great villain.

I enjoyed New Colossus, but not as much as New Order. The story was far from the thing that bothered me the most though. I don't play games for their politics anyways.

Return to Castle Wolfenstein is still the apex of the franchise.

I have a feeling Wolf 3 will involve time travel in some capacity or they will go The Man in the High Castle route. Hopefully, that can help avoid any of the narrative issues a lot of people on here seem to be complaining about or it could potentially make them worse. Either way, they need to give the game and the character an ending....

 

[dgrdsv]

I still can't figure out why people didn't like TNC. To me it was a great sequel to a great game which tried to be more than just your typical "more of the same".

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

I thought 3 was already out

Why does it feel like there's five of these games already

 

[EverydayBeast]

Finally