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Kuturagi to destroy MS?
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civilstrife
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I've never understood that. Video game console to entertainment center is one thing. But I just don't see how the transition to PC functionality will ever occur.
Agent Icebeezy
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All I know, is that one company will be totally changed by the end of this upcoming generation. This is the culmination of a lot of things
BlueTsunami
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civilstrife said:
There was a huge thread that I participated in B3D about this. I found out it comes down to opinion :lol
Basicaly my outlook is that the PS3 with Linux should be able to accomadate all the mundane tasks that are done on the PC (Emailing, Web Browsing, Music/Video Playing, Downloading, Video and Audio editing...remember this is a full Linux OS were talking about). So with that said, being able to do those thing (with apps that are already using PPC architecure being ported over to the PS3) the PS3 should be able to not replace but take away from PCs if everything goes smoothly.
Smoothly=Linux community embracing CELL arch and the PS3.
mckmas8808
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BlueTsunami said:
Wow I like that idea. I would fully support it.
CajoleJuice
Member
I haven't head one person mention the XBox 360. Might be because I'm at college, but it doesn't seem like anyone cares. I told a friend that Xbox 360 was coming out in 2 weeks. He's a pretty huge gamer...he didn't know.
CajoleJuice
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I wish I was friends with one of those people...Speevy said:
Speevy said:
I'd look at it from exactly the other direction---Nintendo is practically rolling in cash, so as long as the Revolution turns a profit (and they've shown that they're well able to do so even if they come in third) I don't expect a major strategy change---the bigger the profit, the less likely one is.
Sony's utter defeat is near-unthinkable---remember, even the N64 carried 1/3 market share, and with significantly less third-party support and less of a hardware advantage than the PS3 is aimed for; if Sega hadn't have completely dropped the ball on Saturn that gen could've been significantly closer to a 3-way split. Inconclusive results would likely lead Sony to apply more urgency to their current strategy, rather than adopt a new one.
MS, as the company putting out their system first, with the requisite price and power compromises, is the one who's particularly likely to change---their victory scenario is a new Genesis, at which point they'll have to change from either their XBox strategy of "who cares what it costs, get it out there" or the modified X360 version "... well, at least try to make up for it with $50 lockout-chipped controllers" to one focused on actually making money. Alternatively, if they end up with a Dreamcast instead, I see them mostly withdrawing from what would normally be thought of as the "console" field to instead push a series of convergence boxes.
Speevy said:
Eh? You don't mean Nintendo will bow out of the console race, do you? They've got billions in the bank, and are STILL making profits. In the very LEAST I expect them to stay another 2 or 3 generations (assuming they stop making profits).
Il Comodino
sorry about his english
I have read in a article, that MS has fear of Google, becouse Google is buyng in all the world a net of old fiber, for do a propriety connection.... but I don't know how mutch is Big google.
sorry for my english
sorry for my english
BlueTsunami
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Il Comodino said:I have read in a article, that MS has fear of Google, becouse Google is buyng in all the world a net of old fiber, for do a propriety connection.... but I don't know how mutch is Big google.
sorry for my english
Google will bring upon a Synthetic Singularity, mark my words. So they are making some sort of move.
Ryudo said:
They actually have a sleek IM app. I've been thinking about giving it a go.
Suikoguy said:Wait, so Sony is partnering with Google to create a new OS?
OMGTON!
Tamanon said:Now wait for Sony to partner with Google and MS will start looking around for cover
"The promise of PS3 already has served as a catalyst for new business alliances for Sony. Comcast is in talks with Sony about ways it can joint venture on the PS3 and other Sony portable video devices to extend its brand into the wireless interactive space.
Sony is discussing content search and management, advertising and other common ground alliance with Google and Yahoo!, which soon might begin paying to be the welcome screen on Sony's sleek Vaio laptop computers."
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001393147
I thought that was linux? Or maybe linux is simply their malignant cancer? :lolGek54 said:
gofreak said:"The promise of PS3 already has served as a catalyst for new business alliances for Sony. Comcast is in talks with Sony about ways it can joint venture on the PS3 and other Sony portable video devices to extend its brand into the wireless interactive space.
Sony is discussing content search and management, advertising and other common ground alliance with Google and Yahoo!, which soon might begin paying to be the welcome screen on Sony's sleek Vaio laptop computers."
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001393147
Interesting. Trouble I see for MS is that ps3 will likely surpass ps2's userbase significantly and it's likely that such will be the case with ps4(h/w upgrades could also slow a bit as we near the limits of silicon). Sony can include easy-to-use PC-like-functionality and tout it left and right. If MS attempted to do the same with custom h/w, it may anger quite a few partners, and the backstabbing would surely begin en masse. At the same time open-source software is all but likely to keep eating into their marketshare on the pc/server business side.
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Nick Laslett
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Ryudo said:
Why miss out on Google Earth a great FREE app.
Free, that is the operative word.
Google's business model is built around information management. They can give you the software apps for free, as long as you let them collect data on you and show you adverts.
Big business will happily dump MS Desktop apps if a viable lower cost alternative is available. This is a big threat to MS.
The MS business model requires you to upgrade your software every 2 years to keep the revenue coming in. The License fee costs for big business are huge.
Google won't need to charge a license fee, you can have all the apps for free. They want your information, which they can then use to make money.
We are moving into the information economy. MS have five years to change before the business world changes around them. Software is moving from being a speciality business to becoming a commodity business, this mean it is very price sensitive. Back in the mid-80's there was a real difference between Wordstar and Word Perfect, nobody cares about desktop apps anymore, they all do a good job, they just want the cheapest solution. You can't get much cheaper than free.
The same paradigm shift happened to IBM going from the Mainframe business to the PC. IBM makes more money from it's Professional Serives business, it doesn't even make PC anymore. Times they are a changing, get your Google stock now.
robertsan21
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:lol :lol
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Aika'svyse
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Then it fits in with the rest of the thread doesn't itDeg said:
Sathsquatch
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I can't believe that MS actually had a chance to publish GTA3. With both Halo and GTA3, who knows how this generation would have turned out? I bet MS is really, really regretting that one.
Interestingly enough, Rockstar almost ended up publishing Halo as well as GTA. Its strange that the two biggest franchises of this generation were nearly bought up by the same publisher on two separate occasions.
Interestingly enough, Rockstar almost ended up publishing Halo as well as GTA. Its strange that the two biggest franchises of this generation were nearly bought up by the same publisher on two separate occasions.
DenogginizerOS
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The way I see it, I will buy both systems because 2 games I (and many, many others) MUST play in the future will be Metal Gear Solid 4 and Halo 3. Add these to the growing list of console specific AAA titles for each system and one realizes that these 2 consoles will mutually succeed.
And who will pay for this paradigm shift? This has kept Mac and Linux and Unix as minority OSs.
When the TOTAL cost is cheaper, the OS and apps are better, and takes little to no down time to switch. I don't see it happening anytime soon. PS3 or not.
I'm a Mac user, but I have to face the facts in regards to what OS is the most cost effecctive for the vast majority of businesses.
Nick Laslett said:
Cost is just one of the factors at play here. Who is going to build the LOB apps? Google? Not a chance in hell.
There are good reasons why Linux/UNIX/OSX can't get any more than a toe hold into the business market, and plenty of those operationg systems and office suites are entirely free of charge, easy to implement, and inherently secure. The problem is that nobody build LOB apps for them, or at least, the companies that do have a hard time convincing many large businesses that they can match the functionality of the industry standard competitors in both quality of build and after the sale support.
Having a Google OS for free would be great, but who is going to provide support? Which major software companies are going to shift their huge Windows software portfolios toward an entirely new development platform with no guarantee of software sales?
Ignatz Mouse
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To me, the most interesting thing in this article is the positioning of the 360 based on playing together, rather than technology. The quotes are good fun, but this is core marketing strategy being exposed.
I've said it before-- MS may be set to take the mindshare win (if nto the actual number of units) from Sony this generation. There's a certain somethign they've gotten in the last year or two that I think gives them some leverage.
That said, I'm still more a Sony fan, but I am also fickle.
I've said it before-- MS may be set to take the mindshare win (if nto the actual number of units) from Sony this generation. There's a certain somethign they've gotten in the last year or two that I think gives them some leverage.
That said, I'm still more a Sony fan, but I am also fickle.
Il Comodino
sorry about his english
Sathsquatch said:
perhaps in the United States, becouse in Europe, Halo is not famous like GT, Pes, GTA, Resident Evil, FF ecc ecc and in Japan too.
For Example The getaway have sell 8 mil. World wide, Halo don't
The Google OS has been rumored for a while now. I hope it comes out because MS needs some competition in the desktop market. They've had no competition (LINUX does not count) for way too long.
Google has the name and coolness factor the LINUX geeks did not, and Windows is just a big piece of crap. At the very least, MS would be forced to take Windows development more seriously.
As for the rest, Kutaragi is just awesome.
Google has the name and coolness factor the LINUX geeks did not, and Windows is just a big piece of crap. At the very least, MS would be forced to take Windows development more seriously.
As for the rest, Kutaragi is just awesome.
BlueTsunami
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Xellotah said:
Your going to be hugely dissapointed. Microsoft themselves have said that Vista hasn't turned out to be the way they wanted it to be (the orginal vision). Its rumored that WinFS will not even make Vista (Will be a Service Pack update down the line, it will make Longhorns Server OS though).
Its just Windows XP with DRM, a better User Security Setup (Separates Admin rights from regular users) and a resource eater. Beta Software or not, the Beta applies to the system GUI as we get closer to release your just going to see more DRM functions and more eye candy.
BlueTsunami
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Xellotah said:
If it stays free and become more user friendly (Installation wise and System Maintinence wise) then I believe it will set the world on fire. Hell. Theres already Linux that are kinda user friendly but most Distros of Linux's are very UNuser friendly when it comes to the Installation process.
Streamline the Installation process, Make it user friendly and keep it free. Theres already an abundance of software (Linux apps) that can replace your current library of Windows stuff and its all free. It just needs a better way to get to the masses.
BlueTsunami said:
*sigh* Most users do not install Windows... and for the record I think installing Mandrake (now mandriva) was as easy as installing Windows XP.
I agree there needs a better way to get to the masses but Dell says Goodbye, and as for Apple ... well Apple have their own OS.
VictimOfGrief
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:lol :lol :lol :lolSpiffyG said:
"...And I will kill them.
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