Landis doping scandal looming over Tour de France

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http://www.usatoday.com/sports/cycling/tourdefrance/2006-07-27-positive-drug-test_x.htm

AIGLE, Switzerland (AP) — An unidentified cyclist tested positive for doping during the Tour de France, widening the scandal that gripped this year's race before it began.

The rider's name, team and nationality will not be released until the testing process is completed, including the analysis of a backup sample, the International Cycling Union said Wednesday.
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http://www.eurosport.com/cycling/tour-de-france/2006/sport_sto932875.shtml

Floyd Landis pulled out of a criterium race in the Netherlands on Wednesday night despite being top of the billing. The Tour de France champion, who had agreed to race the Chaam Criterium on the back of his recent Grande Boucle victory, did not comment on why he had withdrawn.

On Thursday morning, Landis pulled out of another race, the Jyske Bank Grand Prix in Denmark.
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Probably a coincidence.
 
charlesthefirst said:
Well, Landis was having hip problems.
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Then he should hire a better manager/spokesperson to better explain that 'excuse'.

So far, the media are making it seem like he has disappeared. It looks bad. Especially at this point.
 
Instigator said:
Then he should hire a better manager/spokesperson to better explain that 'excuse'.

So far, the media are making it seem like he has disappeared. It looks bad. Especially at this point.
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It is almost a tradition. Whenever a dude gets caught he suddenly disappears with some excuse for a couple of days.
 
Damn. I agree this does look pretty bad, but it was pretty well known that he was riding on a bad hip, and was going to be getting surgery after the race.
 
The necrosis on Landis' hip is taken into account at the time of the analysis, that is not an excuse. All the substances he uses for his illness have been previously approved, or he couldn't have participated.
 
Funky Papa said:
They should shitcan the whole cycling circuit. Everyone is on the juice, every single one.
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Indeed they are. I don't get why it comes as a surprise to people everytime a rider is tested positive.
 
Instigator said:
Armstrong was clean!
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Well, he wasn't found guilty of doping, but ... you know, he still could have used undetectable substances. So it's hard to tell if he really was clean or just smarter (or luckier).

Fredi
 
It's Landis!

Here's why:

The rider did not come from the following countries:
- France, Italy, Spain, Belgium, Switzerland, Germany
- the positive tested rider is one of the top 10 finishing riders
- the test is from the stage to Morzine
- on that day, three riders were tested: Landis (stage winner), Pereiro (yellow jersey) and another random driver
 
segasonic said:
It's Landis!

Here's why:

The rider did not come from the following countries:
- France, Italy, Spain, Belgium, Switzerland, Germany
- the positive tested rider is one of the top 10 finishing riders
- the test is from the stage to Morzine
- on that day, three riders were tested: Landis (stage winner), Pereiro (yellow jersey) and another random driver
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Link?
 
The American media is surprisingly silent on the issue. The doping is reported, but with no names yet, they don't dare to go further.
 
When I read about this yesterday they claimed that the rider, his team, and the country's doping control center were all notified. The American testing center was not notified at that point, so it didn't sound like it was Landis at all.

Landis could have pulled out of this weeks event for a number of reasons. His hip obviously, but the guy has probably gotten no rest since Sunday when the Tour ended. He's probably not at all ready to ride in another event. Simple as that.

And for the person who said this year's Tour was one of the worst ever, you weren't paying much attention. Despite the fact that the early race favorites were knocked out due to a different doping scandal, this was a great Tour. One of the best in memory. There were some great rides, and not just Landis' awesome comeback in the Alps. However, if this is Landis, which I doubt, it would certainly put a huge cloud over the entire event.
 
Instigator said:
The American media is surprisingly silent on the issue. The doping is reported, but with no names yet, they don't dare to go further.
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It could also be that they're silent, because the vast majority of American's doesn't give a shit about cycling. Unless this story involves Landis, it'll get almost no press here, and with Lance retired, American's care even less.

Besides, until we have a name, it's a minor story at best at this point.
 
Various media outlets are now reporting that Phonak has confirmed that Landis is the one who tested positive. Phonak is such a dirty team. It's amazing they are still allowed to enter Pro Tour races.
 
cybamerc said:
Various media outlets are now reporting that Phonak has confirmed that Landis is the one who tested positive. Phonak is such a dirty team. It's amazing they are still allowed to enter Pro Tour races.
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Damn! From the Penthouse to the Outhouse in less than a week. After that amazing ride, and an inspiring Tour win, Landis will leave to have his hip replaced in disgrace. So sad. Still no news of this on ESPN.com.
 
It is Landis, but the positive is for testosterone/epitestosterone ratio. I thought that was a health check rather than something that could disqualify results.
 
sonarrat said:
It is Landis, but the positive is for testosterone/epitestosterone ratio. I thought that was a health check rather than something that could disqualify results.
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It's because the levels of testosterone/epitestosterone were much higher than they should be. It's possible for the body to naturally make high levels, but very unlikely.

As for Armstrong using EPO, that has been detectable for at least five of his wins, so if he was using something, it's well beyond EPO, and is still not detectable.
 
Kung Fu Jedi said:
It's because the levels of testosterone/epitestosterone were much higher than they should be. It's possible for the body to naturally make high levels, but very unlikely.

As for Armstrong using EPO, that has been detectable for at least five of his wins, so if he was using something, it's well beyond EPO, and is still not detectable.
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No, it isn't amount. If it was just the amount, the massive amounts of water he downed that day would have diluted the result back to normal anyway. It was the proportion of testosterone to epitestosterone. I think a 6:1 ratio is considered a sign of tampering.
 
sonarrat said:
No, it isn't amount. If it was just the amount, the massive amounts of water he downed that day would have diluted the result back to normal anyway. It was the proportion of testosterone to epitestosterone. I think a 6:1 ratio is considered a sign of tampering.
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Ahh..ok. I follow you. I guess we know how he was able to make that amazing comeback on Stage 17. I'm assuming this will mean he gets stripped of the title, no?
 
Kung Fu Jedi said:
Ahh..ok. I follow you. I guess we know how he was able to make that amazing comeback on Stage 17. I'm assuming this will mean he gets stripped of the title, no?
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People are already speculating that it was, in fact, the beer he had the night before that stage - alcohol is widely known to influence T:E ratio.
 
sonarrat said:
People are already speculating that it was, in fact, the beer he had the night before that stage - alcohol is widely known to influence T:E ratio.
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Yeah, I wondered if there was a natural way to explain it. Especially considering how dehydrated he was after he bonked on stage 16. I'm sure there will be an appeals process.
 
Instigator said:
Why are you guys all siding with the vicious French press, trying to get Amrstrong?
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Because we side with the balance of probability, which says the chance of a rider winning so regularly in a sport where massive doping occurs is so slim as to be not worth discussing
 
I don't remember the name of the cyclist who said that whoever thought they climbed those montains with just a plate of macaroni was nuts.

Isn't something interesting that pretty much all the big shots have some kind of allergy/condition that forces them to take drugs? Come on.
 
Well maybe Armstrong was doped up on the stuff that our techincal tests couldn't detect; Heart, Spirit and Faith.
















NOW can I have my Oscar?
 
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