Night Angel
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And what's stopping them now?
Launching a Kickstarter campaign on an E3 press conference
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PeregrinSe7en
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that's what i've been saying lol
wut
all E3 threads are "reactions". he's refering to a specific ruling during this time of year and I don't think this thread fits that at all and the fact that it's 10 pages already should say so enough. what's banned is backseat modding
what happened there?
serversurfer
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Part of the credit? About four hours after the annoucement, they're closing in on $1.4M.
Sounds like all Kickstarters should be announced at E3.
Absoludacrous
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Most successful kickstarters already have something to show before they go up. I don't know if I would call that "very little startup".
Like I said, they also lose the ability to kickstart other properties once they've established that they aren't capable of creating the thing consumers wanted.
Shenmue is also a passion project of Yu Suzuki. I don't see much in the way of publisher focus testing happening to something like this.
All of the negatives people have established so far are hypothetical what-ifs, where as all the benefits are things that are actually happening right now.
I understand being skeptical of things in this industry given where we currently are, but I think you have to choose your battles, and this isn't one of them.
Gorilla Shark
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It would have been awesome if they announced the Kickstarter on the stage, then someone brings over a big oversized check like the ones golfers win.
Made payable to: Shenmue 3
lol
Made payable to: Shenmue 3
lol
Bay2 was dead too and Nintendo paid for everything upfront and yet the whole gaming community was in a uproar. How would people feel if this was ms or Nintendo?
FalconLorenzo
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I'm really looking forward to NBA 2K16
InsaneZero
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The ability to rescind your decision to buy Goro the day before the game comes out.
SpoonyBard
Banned
16,515 backers
$1,398,377 pledged of $2,000,000 goal
31 days to go
Yeah... I didn't watch the press conference, but 2 million is pretty low, when the it was said that Shenmue 1 cost 40 million. Don't get me wrong, Shenmue is amazingly good game, and I can't wait to play the third one, but Sony could just as well funded the whole thing.
$1,398,377 pledged of $2,000,000 goal
31 days to go
Yeah... I didn't watch the press conference, but 2 million is pretty low, when the it was said that Shenmue 1 cost 40 million. Don't get me wrong, Shenmue is amazingly good game, and I can't wait to play the third one, but Sony could just as well funded the whole thing.
I'm not really sure what problem you're talking about here. What's your worst case scenario? That they, say, change their mind on Dark Souls 4 and say they'll make it but only if they get $10 million from Kickstarter? And either the vast majority of people who pledged get the game for cheaper than retail in return for their support or the game that wasn't going to get made still doesn't get made?
Publishers are never going to hold guaranteed, proven moneymakers behind crowdfunding walls, and people are never going to pledge to a Kickstarter that doesn't present a good value and acceptable level of risk (in terms of quality moreso than success/failure) to them.
This could've saved THQ and stopped that LOTR MOBA.
DOWN
Banned
Why in the world do people think this game is being funded on the $2mil when the predecessor is among the top ten most expensive ever at over $100mil. This gauges interest and with Sony having exclusivity on console, they likely made an agreement to be one of the investors if the Kickstarter was indeed showing fan support for the idea.
The last Shenmue game was over a decade ago plus many fans of this franchise, like me, has been waiting for Shenmue 3 for a while. These are the reasons why it's a non-issue for me. This is almost similar to Igarashi's Bloodstained Kickstarter, a game that is supposed to be the spiritual successor to Castlevsnia Symphony of the Night: old franchises revived which depend on interest gained through Kickstarter.
What you think fits doesn't matter. Rules are rules. I'm not backseat modding. Just pointing something out.
But i'm not going to debate this with you any further. It's an interesting topic none the less.
OuterLimits
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Ok . So if Sony is involved and it will cost way more than 2 million than why even do a Kickstarter? Is Sony not able to afford that extra 2 million?
I'm not buying the Kickstarter is just trying to establish market interest angle either. Raising 2 million from die hard fans won't help much if the game is still much more expensive to make and bombs.
you're being very optimistic about a future where apparently publishers would potentially be able to halve their money output while retaining or even gaining brand value, while avoiding risk by not doing it "unless.."
im glad we're getting Shenmue 3, I just think this certainly means something for the future and the way in which they did it doesnt really strike me as hopeful. I wanna know more about what happened here
the former statement certainly doesnt necessarelly sound like the worst thing, but I think it can be handled better. you don't think its kind of a big deal? something that brings up questions or limits?
What you think fits doesn't matter. Rules are rules. I'm not backseat modding. Just pointing something out.
But i'm not going to debate this with you any further. It's an interesting topic none the less.
It's all good. im just saying I think I understood the rules
Mad Season
Banned
Makes no sense. Why wouldn't sony just do it themselves?
DOWN
Banned
You don't think Shenmue is a rather unusual case? It's been fan demanded, but without proven interest for many years. I doubt we should worry about Sony tossing us a bunch of games to fund when there are many that they are paying for themselves outside of Shenmue's demand test.
Because they had absolutely no clue how much demand there actually is for an expensive ass project like Shenmue.
I think it's gonna be a huge success but I don't disagree with you; at that point we're all just guessing
I have no clue about that situation, never followed it. I bet people would react differently if it was Nintendo though, because it may be harder to separate Nintendo's friendly "for-the-gamers" spirit from the fact that it has investment interests like any other company, and it would feel like a betrayal to ignorant fans.
Japanmanx3
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How are people mad about this? Fund if you want to show interest. Shenmue wasn't the big system seller back in the day, to my knowledge. Wasn't Yu hinting kickstarter for a while? 2mil to guarantee interest send reasonable before someone jumps all in.
LizardKing
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If Sony is publishing, yeah it's a little bit slimy.
If Sony is not publishing and they just did it to get hardcore goodwill and promote this game on their platform then nothing wrong with that.
And everyone just assumes Sony is publishing but I'm not so sure. Someone has to be of course, but Sony would have plenty of incentive just to promote it at the conference as a potential exclusive or even just a game coming to their platform even if they weren't publishing. That's not enough to convince me they have a deal. The confirmed and physical PC version even tilts me to skeptical.
If Sony is not publishing and they just did it to get hardcore goodwill and promote this game on their platform then nothing wrong with that.
And everyone just assumes Sony is publishing but I'm not so sure. Someone has to be of course, but Sony would have plenty of incentive just to promote it at the conference as a potential exclusive or even just a game coming to their platform even if they weren't publishing. That's not enough to convince me they have a deal. The confirmed and physical PC version even tilts me to skeptical.
industrian
will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
The Shenmue 3 Kickstarter was a great marketing and PR move. They could easily have just dropped a CG trailer and said "Coming Soon, lol", but the Kickstarter route allows them to create a buzz and to create a sense of "engagement" with the Shenmue fans who have been dying for this for the last 10+ years.
At the end of the day, the $2 million (or probably $3-5 million) that this Kickstarter will earn will be nothing compared to the actual budget of the game. It's all about getting the word out that Shenmue is back.
Kickstarter themselves are involved in this as well. They'll greatly benefit from a PR point of view.
At the end of the day, the $2 million (or probably $3-5 million) that this Kickstarter will earn will be nothing compared to the actual budget of the game. It's all about getting the word out that Shenmue is back.
Kickstarter themselves are involved in this as well. They'll greatly benefit from a PR point of view.
Absoludacrous
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There wasn't as much time between the Bayos as there was between Shenmue. Gaming communities were in an uproar because the reality of Bayo2's dependency on Nintendo hadn't been properly established first. I think if the property had languished for a decade only to be suddenly revived by Nintendo, you would have had a very different reaction.
As for Nintendo paying for everything upfront, do we know if that financially worked out for them? Was the cost investment for Bayo 2 as much as for something like Shenmue 3? I don't know that you can make a direct apples to apples comparison with the info we have.
moerser
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i dont know anything about the scope of the game or about videogames budgets, except that every generic shooter seems to cost way more than 2 million dollars. is it safe to assume someone, sony, has to be paying something to make it happen? or are 2 million really enough for a shenmue 3? (or even 5 million, including stretch goals)
ugh_the_boot
Banned
This quote is more accurate than most people realise. Also I prefer the old way of doing things: Release a product then get people to pay for it based on the strength/quality of said product. It's good people get to fund the game and guarantee a copy for around the same price it would cost to buy the game anyways, but when games don't meet their targets or the game turns out to be shit is when stuff can really go wrong.
Ha, I'm really not trying to sound optimistic, I'm just having a hard time thinking of a scenario where this comes close to the depths we've already hit with things like $30 day one season passes for unannounced and undescribed content.
Going beyond what I said before, I guess there's the game turning out like dogshit, but that's a risk that comes with any Kickstarter. The other big thing that you seem to be leaning towards is that publishers get a couple million in the bank for free and purposely skimp because they have that money in the bank. I don't see that as all that likely given the sales ceiling of most of these large projects and the usefulness of crowdfunding as a PR and interest-gauge.
I mean, I understand how it could make someone feel a little apprehensive, just dealing with publishers in such a front-loaded situation, but you aren't putting yourself at any more risk than you're willing to bear, and there are tangible benefits to the consumer in a well-run Kickstarter. And on the other hand, the crap ones'll get weeded out.
Then again, a lot of my argument rests on people being educated about Kickstarter and educating themselves on a game before diving in, and judging by some comments in the other thread, those probably aren't safe things to bet on.
Absoludacrous
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There will be a publisher. Could be Sony, could be Sega, could be a joint venture, but someone pick up the game once it reaches $2 mil.
thing is you don't really know what "risk" you're putting yourself in since you can basically have a say by waiting to see what fans do and say nothing yet have complete control on how you look coming away from it once it's done, y'know?
this could potentially sound good, but I don't much believe in the "they're never gonna put huge things behind crowdfunding" thing you say. At a certaint point if this works so well why wouldnt they? and whose to say what probably would sell or wouldn't without kickstarter?
again, we're all speculating at this point and that's good and fun. thing with this specifically for me, mainly, is like I said the lack of transparency
I just hope someone asks Boyes something about it. surprised it hasnt happened yet
I don't see the problem since it's a long dead game. What I do cringe about is if it'll have a small budget overall that it won't make the game look graphically advanced. One of the appeals of the game a decade and a half ago was all it offered on top of being a graphical powerhouse.
This will be a long wait (I expect longer than 2 years), so it doesn't really matter for now. We are talking about two more E3's at least of it being mentioned.
This will be a long wait (I expect longer than 2 years), so it doesn't really matter for now. We are talking about two more E3's at least of it being mentioned.
Out of left field, Microsoft announces they'll be publishing it.
And that Nintendo is developing it!
IdreamofHIME
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Sony probably spent 2 million on drinks for press people today, not funding this but showcasing it is fucking weird.
Dreams-Visions
Member
Same here. As if Sony didn't have the bank to get this game made? As many fuckin moneyhat deals as they presented tonight (first on, exclusively on, blah blah blah). Oh no, if they wanted to make the game, they could have funded it. If we're funding it, it should be on every platform.
He didn't need Sony's stage to make this pitch either. It would have gotten roughly the same money behind it if he announced this shit on Twitter.
Nope, I don't like the precedent it sets. Particularly because developers aren't really held to timelines and delivery dates like they would be under a traditional publishing agreement. It's good that this game is being made at all, but if they believed in the project, they would have invested in it...and going the Kickstarter route allows them to sidestep any real oversight or expectations. Not that this particular developer would take advantage of Kickstarter, but others have and will in the future if this becomes "a thing".
yes. never mind every other 3rd party game that came on stage like, "play it first on PlayStation". Get the fuck outtahere. So you're saying you have bank to moneyhat all these exclusive timings but not enough to bankroll one of the most beloved and dormant franchises in gaming history? Fuck outta my face, Sony.
Absoludacrous
Member
I'm still not sure what you want them to ask. You don't need them to ask if someone will pick it up once it reaches $2 million. You know that much, you already said so. Does it matter if that person is Sony or Sega or the zombie corpse of THQ? It doesn't change anything they're already shown on the kickstarter page.
Catatafish
Banned
Brings the guy on stage for show off to announce a kickstarter campaign. And not only that, they force the game to have its exclusive debut on their console. What if you fund the game and you own a PS3,too bad, not only you need to fund the game but also you need to purchase a PS4, what a joke.
I wanna know why it's not coming out on Xbox, for example
It's not if I think it's gonna get picked up after 2mil, I wanna know if money exchanged hands before the kickstarter
I don't own any console, jic
GloriousBagel
Banned
I thought Adam Boyes made it very clear when he said " we don't have anything to do with the project" or something along those lines.
Unless I'm deaf?
Unless I'm deaf?
DangerMouse
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Pretty much my thoughts exactly. Shenmue was one of those rare games and seemingly roadblocked for years by risk or whatever and seemingly difficult to convince the suits of.
jediyoshi
Member
Can I just say words too? That makes them true? Is that how this works? Like, when I string them together, they have relevant meaning and form a logical structure? Do these ideas even have to be verified or can I just go for it?
Do you just throw money at things and hope for the best? That somehow maybe this seemingly random transaction of funds only, possibly works out in your favor in the best case scenario? Do you think this is how Kickstarter operates?
This is a system a lot of people want to use, this doesn't overshadow other Kickstarter campaigns whatsoever.
Small project makers like to make the debate that they are losing attention/money when bigger companies make Kickstarters for their products.
How are you losing money? Because someone spent it elsewhere? If the product was never on Kickstarter you wouldn't have that backer anyways because they would had bought that product anyways. Odds are you never sold people on that dollar in the first place, stop complaining about competition.
This isn't a slimey or a bad move whatsoever. There's a game people want, they have the option to show the game will sell with Kickstarter. The Announcement wasn't just a great PR move, but to further prove the point that companies are rejecting all these great game ideas on what they think consumers will buy other than making games we know we want to buy.
I would love to see a system like this used again for other big titles we're dying to see a sequel of.
Small project makers like to make the debate that they are losing attention/money when bigger companies make Kickstarters for their products.
How are you losing money? Because someone spent it elsewhere? If the product was never on Kickstarter you wouldn't have that backer anyways because they would had bought that product anyways. Odds are you never sold people on that dollar in the first place, stop complaining about competition.
This isn't a slimey or a bad move whatsoever. There's a game people want, they have the option to show the game will sell with Kickstarter. The Announcement wasn't just a great PR move, but to further prove the point that companies are rejecting all these great game ideas on what they think consumers will buy other than making games we know we want to buy.
I would love to see a system like this used again for other big titles we're dying to see a sequel of.
Yeah, I can guarantee the game is going to cost a LOT more than $2,000,000 to make, so there's got to be some Sony support going on as well I think.
Dufase19089
Banned
I may be late to this thread, but if Sony said they would match whatever money the fans raised, that may have been better. It allows fans to ultimately get the game they want, and Sony looks good from a PR standpoint
There is so much stupid in this post that I hope this is a form of Satire or some sort of twisted joke.
i assume you mean "without using kickstarter"
without using kickstarter, they don't know how many chumps will pay for that focus grouped game
I'm pretty sure Sony is putting money into this project. I mean, developing games ain't cheap, and a game like shenmue, wooohoohooo nnnope, no way its cheap. Its like some people have some common sense horse blinders and see this and think that shenmue is actually going to be done with only a 2 million budget.
Cmon people yeh got brainz, use em'
Cmon people yeh got brainz, use em'