It all depends upon what you want to do. The end game if you want to be a tax attorney will be to get your LLM in Taxation. You'll learn more about the regs than you ever wanted to know.
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It all depends upon what you want to do. The end game if you want to be a tax attorney will be to get your LLM in Taxation. You'll learn more about the regs than you ever wanted to know.
The tricky thing about law school is that by the time you really can start picking classes/focusing in on the ares of law you really want... it may be too late to get a job. Especially if you wanna work in a firm.
When your interviewing for jobs as a 2L you won't have done much if any schooling in this niche focus areas. At least thats what I've heard from 2Ls- your focus in those areas will most likely have to come from summer internships/work, which might be extremely difficult to get.
This as well.
I'd almost recommend you browse toplawschools.com casually... but that place might crush your soul. On the flip side, theres great advice on that site.
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Just went back and read my old posts there. I was definitely a lot less jaded and more naive, but I think I still came off as a rational human being. I'm rather proud of myself! That may have been due to the fact that I still feel like I got kinda lucky in the whole admissions process. I applied Early Decision and was done by November 18. Also, it was cute how I was concerned with socializing and thought the people were gonna be just like the people I knew in undergrad.
I'd suggest staying the hell away from that site. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.
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Don't get too caught up with this; I'm practicing in tax and have ventured to court a grand total of 6 times in 5 years.
why didn't anyone pick up on this one? not a litigator but i wanna hear
If lying profusely during a tax audit counts, I'm in.
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I assume this list doesn't take into account clerkships. COA clerkship is far more prestigious than an NLJ250 job.
Oh ho ho. TLS is like an Ewok jamband festival compared to the Mos Eisley that is the Above the Law comments section... and AutoAdmit might as well be Kessel.
I don't like any of the three, but TLS is quite tame.
Pollux
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Quick legal question:
I took a summer class a couple years ago (Summer 2010) and the dude I was rooming with left a small painting (16 in x 12 in) in the room when he left halfway through the summer.I found it under his bed and hung onto it. He called me and said he would get in touch and try and get it back. Fast forward to Summer 2011 when I graduated, I couldn't get in touch with him so my parents took it back home for safe keeping since I didn't have the room to hang on to it. Since then my parents moved twice, and we have no idea where the painting is. He just called and wanted to get the painting back.
Any legal problems here?
I took a summer class a couple years ago (Summer 2010) and the dude I was rooming with left a small painting (16 in x 12 in) in the room when he left halfway through the summer.I found it under his bed and hung onto it. He called me and said he would get in touch and try and get it back. Fast forward to Summer 2011 when I graduated, I couldn't get in touch with him so my parents took it back home for safe keeping since I didn't have the room to hang on to it. Since then my parents moved twice, and we have no idea where the painting is. He just called and wanted to get the painting back.
Any legal problems here?
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why didn't anyone pick up on this one? not a litigator but i wanna hear
I had it happen once. Before defense could cross examine I moved to dismiss all charges on my case.
What is the value of the painting?
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It's breach of bailment. This will give you an idea where you stand:
http://www.ehow.com/about_5130634_bailment-duties.html
Pollux
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Ugh. I was afraid of something like that. The problem is that after two moves I think it got lost with a bunch of other stuff that got lost during the moving process.
ZackieChan
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I love how a bunch of lawyers and Law students link to ehow! :-D
If I wasn't on my phone I would post my property outline section. Something about the scope of the bailment and whether or not there was gross negligence?
If I wasn't on my phone I would post my property outline section. Something about the scope of the bailment and whether or not there was gross negligence?
Pollux
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Yea, I was gonna say that I don't think something being misplaced during a move would constitute gross negligence. I'll talk to my Prop. prof. on monday though just to make sure.
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Awesome. So you were you expecting me to write a detailed advice for him just for fun?
There are a number of reasons why you shouldn't give out your own advice on a public forum. And, at least, the ehow article is written in language he comprehends.
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I wasn't saying it to be a dick! Hence the smiley. "A detailed advice" was not necessary, anyway. I just found it amusing, that's all.
Plus, he's a law student who should have learned this stuff already.
Plus, he's a law student who should have learned this stuff already.
Pollux
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I'm a first year law student...and as has been made clear in other threads and in real life, first year students should not be trusted for real legal advice.
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No worries, man. We cool.
1L interns are the best. They have a certain cuteness about them (the chicks, that is) that they lose in later law school life........which turns them into stuffy bitches.
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The hilarious part is they thank you for giving them the gruntwork.
But compared to investment bank interns, law interns have it quite easy, I think.
Pollux
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Wanna give me an internship? :jnc
He said only half joking.
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I am currently one of those interns, and begging for more this summer.
Make sure your fly is zipped.
Unless you think that leaving it unzipped will improve your chances of getting the job...
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Are you female?
Learn the Seven Ps.
Serious Edit:
google "questions asked during law interviews" and have prepared answers.
You answers should be honest and inventive.
E.g. Q: Why do you want to practice law?
A: "To drive a fast car and have sex with hot women" works better than "I want to change the world", because at the end of the day they just want somebody who is hard working.
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I am looking for some tips to make myself more appealing to employers. Like many people, I am a graduating 3L with no prospects from a low ranked university. I went through some rough points in my life the last 4 years, but I got help and I am trying to make up for it now. I know I wont get my dream job right away and I will need to work hard, but I am looking for some advice to get me started.
Resume questions:
Other questions:
Resume questions:
I am Native American, at least enough so that I could get official status from the government and voting rights in my tribe
. How can I work this fact into my resume? I hate using my heritage to get a job, but I dislike being out of work even more. I was thinking of making an interests section and putting something like, Keeping current with the issues facing my tribe. My resume is pretty full with work experience and education, so I would have to cut down on some things. I also dont like the idea of having just one thing under a section, so I would need to put in another interest.
Currently, I am doing a study abroad program. While my credits transfer, my grades do not. Should I include separate GPAs for each university or just do the math and boil it down to one cumulative GPA?
I have written a law review article that I currently have sent out to several journals, but I am still awaiting a response. What is the best way to word this on my resume?
Is it worth it to have any description for my non-legal work experience? I have had 3 legal internships. A non-profit, a judicial, and a private law internship. My only other job was a customer service supervisor at best buy for five years. This could free up space for my interest section.
Currently, I am doing a study abroad program. While my credits transfer, my grades do not. Should I include separate GPAs for each university or just do the math and boil it down to one cumulative GPA?
I have written a law review article that I currently have sent out to several journals, but I am still awaiting a response. What is the best way to word this on my resume?
Is it worth it to have any description for my non-legal work experience? I have had 3 legal internships. A non-profit, a judicial, and a private law internship. My only other job was a customer service supervisor at best buy for five years. This could free up space for my interest section.
Other questions:
What are some skills that I can be developing now that would be useful or help me stand out? I speak conversational Japanese and French. My study abroad is in Tokyo. I have been working on that while I am here. Long-term, I would like to live in Japan or Europe for a few years at some point. Should I spend the time to bring one of those languages to fluency?
What else could I be doing with my time other than applying to whatever open positions I find? Write more law review articles?
What else could I be doing with my time other than applying to whatever open positions I find? Write more law review articles?
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I am looking for some tips to make myself more appealing to employers. Like many people, I am a graduating 3L with no prospects from a low ranked university. I went through some rough points in my life the last 4 years, but I got help and I am trying to make up for it now. I know I wont get my dream job right away and I will need to work hard, but I am looking for some advice to get me started.
Resume questions:
I am Native American, at least enough so that I could get official status from the government and voting rights in my tribe. How can I work this fact into my resume? I hate using my heritage to get a job, but I dislike being out of work even more. I was thinking of making an interests section and putting something like, Keeping current with the issues facing my tribe. My resume is pretty full with work experience and education, so I would have to cut down on some things. I also dont like the idea of having just one thing under a section, so I would need to put in another interest.
Currently, I am doing a study abroad program. While my credits transfer, my grades do not. Should I include separate GPAs for each university or just do the math and boil it down to one cumulative GPA?
I have written a law review article that I currently have sent out to several journals, but I am still awaiting a response. What is the best way to word this on my resume?
Is it worth it to have any description for my non-legal work experience? I have had 3 legal internships. A non-profit, a judicial, and a private law internship. My only other job was a customer service supervisor at best buy for five years. This could free up space for my interest section.
Other questions:
What are some skills that I can be developing now that would be useful or help me stand out? I speak conversational Japanese and French. My study abroad is in Tokyo. I have been working on that while I am here. Long-term, I would like to live in Japan or Europe for a few years at some point. Should I spend the time to bring one of those languages to fluency?
What else could I be doing with my time other than applying to whatever open positions I find? Write more law review articles?
1. If you know how to speak any NA languages you can list them or have done any charity work for NA organizations list that. If you don't, you always have the opinion of lying. Listing it as part of your interests sounds like you're trying to name-drop.
2. Maintain separate GPAs because it could raise the suspicion that you are trying to mislead your future employer.
3. One article isn't gonna sway most law firms opinion of you. If you feel strongly about it, you can lie and say it's coming out in a forthcoming issue (like in 3-6 months). If they quiz you about it later, say you are updating it because there have been some developments in that area. Btw, it's bad etiquette to send out the same article to multiple journals simultaneously.
4. You should only devote one line to any work totally unrelated to your law job. At the very least it shows you can maintain steady employment.
Eg. Best Buy - Customer Service Manager (2006-2011).
That's it.
5. No, because the level of language proficiency required to work in law in Japan can't be acquired without huge time and effort. France is different. Most American law firms in Paris deal in English and French. Everybody in the office speaks fluent English.
6. Do a Masters?
adam.chance
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1. I get what you are saying. My tribe is in Oklahoma (thank you, government), but I will try to find someway to get something concrete going there, rather than just say, "I'm NA, please hire me because you stole my peoples land and you should fix it by giving me a job."
2. Makes total sense.
3. I feel good about the article, but I will word this carefully. Currently, I have it under work experience, but I was just thinking about moving it to "Honors and Achievements" under education. Any thoughts? I would just list the title of the article and say it is awaiting approval from publishers.
4. Again, makes total sense.
5. I guess this depends on where I start focusing my job search efforts. Since I am in Japan now, if I get something here on a short term contract, then I would push that the next few years, but I understand your points.
6. Not sure how I feel about this. I haven't thought about this option.
Thanks for your thoughts. It helps.
2. Makes total sense.
3. I feel good about the article, but I will word this carefully. Currently, I have it under work experience, but I was just thinking about moving it to "Honors and Achievements" under education. Any thoughts? I would just list the title of the article and say it is awaiting approval from publishers.
4. Again, makes total sense.
5. I guess this depends on where I start focusing my job search efforts. Since I am in Japan now, if I get something here on a short term contract, then I would push that the next few years, but I understand your points.
6. Not sure how I feel about this. I haven't thought about this option.
Thanks for your thoughts. It helps.
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1. Here's what you do: set-up a blog documenting your experiences as a Native American student studying law. List it under interests. This is a subtle way to get the point across.
3. If the article is not in a peer reviewed journal, it really shouldn't be listed on a resume. If it is, it should be listed under a separate heading "Articles written published in peer-reviewed journals"
Most, if not all, law reviews are not peer-reviewed, and it is perfectly acceptable to list articles published in law reviews on your resume.
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Peer reviewed in scientific journals implies that the journal submits the article to various experts in the field who then critique the science in the article. Most law reviews only edit the grammar and fact-check the sources used by authors. Any substantive critiques generally occur prior to submission and acceptance of the article, and is done at the request of the author.
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Professional peer-review vs scholarly peer-review.
http://www.columbialawreview.org/information/submissions
Also note the part that about non-acceptance of student papers.
I would hope that they read and carefully consider each article that is submitted to them... however, that has nothing to do with the methodology of most law reviews in which the student editors are generally only concerned with the grammar, adherence to stylistic rules, and making sure that assertions are supported by their citations.
What does Columbia's policy on not accepting student papers have to do with this? Clearly, adam.chance found a law review or three that do not have that same restriction.
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I'm happy to agree to disagree with you on this point. However from personal experience, I have written six articles published in peer-reviewed journals and the only one that was rejected outright was from a college law review.
Also:
Implies a higher standard. How do you know where adam.chance has submitted his article?
You consider law students to be experts?
Just because Columbia's law review has higher standards for the articles that it accepts does not mean that the substantive arguments put forth in the articles that they publish undergo any sort of scrutiny by "experts" in that particular field of law. I am also not sure what the fact that a law review rejected your article has to do with this discussion. I am sure every law review in the nation rejects dozens if not hundreds of articles each year, and just because a law review rejects an article does not mean that the substantive arguments put forth in the articles that they rejected under went any sort of scrutiny by "experts" in that particular field of law.
I will readily admit that I made an assumption as to the type of publication that he submitted his article to. However, this is beside my original point, which is that most law reviews are not "peer reviewed journals," but it is still perfectly acceptable to list published or forth-coming law review articles on one's resume.
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If you want to see perjury, go into any family law court. Happens every day.why didn't anyone pick up on this one? not a litigator but i wanna hear
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How does rejecting students submissions not indicate a higher standard of journal? Oh and SJD and Masters students are more "expert" than your average ambulance-chasing attorney.
But since you conveniently ignored my first point in reply, I don't feel compelled to address the rest of your post. Moreover, you haven't bothered to cite a single authority that suggests "most law reviews are not peer-reviewed".
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