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League of Legends Championship Series: Season 4
- Thread starter Edwardo
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Stone Ocean
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Pretty much lolit's 2 legit i h8 it
It's not legit, it's downright stupid and doesn't seem like it's getting nerfed anytime soon, though the heal nerf helps.
Pretty much lol
It's not legit, it's downright stupid and doesn't seem like it's getting nerfed anytime soon, though the heal nerf helps.
The heal nerf should be enough to make it counterable by Ignite.
Imperfected
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I dunno, I'd rather see Soraka than Nidalee. At least in region play where people don't auto-counter Nidalee with Yasuo.
Stone Ocean
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I hope Nid goes back to being a AD bruiser after the rework
Imperfected
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i cant think of a situation where I would want to see a soraka play over a nidalee
Soraka causes ridiculous fights that last forever where no one dies...
... but at least in games with a Soraka people actually fight at least once.
Imperfected
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I just don't want to see any more Korean siege comp games that end after 48 minutes with like 10 total kills. I guess Nidalee's fine in NA and Europe since every team playing it does such a poor job, so it doesn't cause quite the same oppressive, suffocating pressure.
i dunno if im being clear, im talking about aesthetically nice to look at
one of them even changes forms
soraka is pretty hot
Imperfected
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Yeah draenei are definitely my thing.
Stone Ocean
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Stomp on me with those hoovesYeah draenei are definitely my thing.
Make me feel like a melee bruiser
I just don't want to see any more Korean siege comp games that end after 48 minutes with like 10 total kills. I guess Nidalee's fine in NA and Europe since every team playing it does such a poor job, so it doesn't cause quite the same oppressive, suffocating pressure.
you gotta watch coco play nidalee
it's beautiful
What? They don't have any bad picks here. If anything the Vayne/lissandra is more out of meta.
I'm not entirely sure how this pro siege meta works, but it seems like it implies letting a Vayne overcome her early game disadvantage by being alone in lane. Considering she's the best ADC in lategame and one of the best lategame champions overall, it makes little sense to me to pick Soraka on top of already falling late champions like Leblanc and Elise. 2 kills for Vayne and it's over.
Edit: It's over.
Imperfected
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you gotta watch coco play nidalee
it's beautiful
Well, it's not that Nidalee doesn't have a skill ceiling, or that there aren't better or worse Nidalee players. I mean, Hotshot still exists, after all. It's just that, on some level, the better you play her, the worse the entire game becomes, and most of the "proper" counters are almost as tedious.
That's why I like the Yasuo counter-pick, it's just this big dumb explosive all-in champion that's not only the counter to Nidalee in lane but basically the antithesis of the entire composition that gets built around her.
is making the game decay around you
truly the height of beauty
no soraka and her unicorn horn is mmmmmmmMMMMM
Imperfected
Member
xPeke's looking kind of like xPeke today.
I'm not entirely sure how this pro siege meta works, but it seems like it implies letting a Vayne overcome her early game disadvantage by being alone in lane. Considering she's the best ADC in lategame and one of the best lategame champions overall, it makes little sense to me to pick Soraka on top of already falling late champions like Leblanc and Elise. 2 kills for Vayne and it's over.
Edit: It's over.
Vayne is not the best late game carry. She's great, but she still has piss poor range, and is prone to being killed by burst. Graves certainly has a worse late game than Vayne, but both of these team comps are such that Fnatic can burst down essentially any target on the TPA team, and stay healthy with Soraka. If they burst down the right targets, they can still have a chance in the late game.
TPA will have the better late game, but the mid game is in Fnatic's favor.
Imperfected
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I like realism xPeke a lot better than cubist xPeke, which looked a lot like Froggen.
Well, it's not that Nidalee doesn't have a skill ceiling, or that there aren't better or worse Nidalee players. I mean, Hotshot still exists, after all. It's just that, on some level, the better you play her, the worse the entire game becomes, and most of the "proper" counters are almost as tedious.
That's why I like the Yasuo counter-pick, it's just this big dumb explosive all-in champion that's not only the counter to Nidalee in lane but basically the antithesis of the entire composition that gets built around her.
nah like watching coco play nidalee really shows the best case scenario of the champion, extremely accurate spear throws but also constantly turning in and out cat form, tanking with seraphs, surviving barely with a heal, it's amazing
PhillipCostigan
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Phew.
Imperfected
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I'm cool with Fnatic progressing. It's all well and good to talk about the Season 2 vs. Season 3 Champions, but we all know that's not really TPA. It's bebe and his back-up band. They've got an okay sound, but they can't actually do any of the favorite songs you really want them to in their set.
season 1 on the other hand
go on
Vayne is not the best late game carry.
Who's it then for you? I don't think there is any ADC who gets a bigger advantage out of lategame than Vayne and Tristana tbh.
Imperfected
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Well, I mean Fnatic at least made it pretty far in Worlds in Season 3. I'm more interested in the Season 3 rematch narrative than the Season 1 vs. Season 3 one. Season 1 was basically just a big joke no one was in on, anyway.
Imperfected
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on the other hand
i am basically only interested in the hidden tsm narrative at all-stars
Bjergsen's still there for one the Fire vs Ice games, maybe Dyrus will fall asleep on the stage and someone will finally show up with a Poke-flute to deal with him.
Edit: MadLife-senpai never noticed Doublelift. You could tell because Doublelift was all, "Oh yeah I was super jazzed when I found out MadLife speaks English!" and MadLife was all sitting there completely ignoring him on the couch, going through the translator instead. Like, wow, never seen a stronger case of "he's just not that into you".
Bjergsen's still there for one the Fir vs Ice games, maybe Dyrus will fall asleep on the stage and someone will finally show up with a Poke-flute to deal with him.
omg
Who's it then for you? I don't think there is any ADC who gets a bigger advantage out of lategame than Vayne and Tristana tbh.
Vayne is certainly up there among the best, but her range means she won't be as safe as say Jinx/Caitlyn/Tristana, which is a huge problem against high damage teams with huge burst.
I'd put Jinx as the best all around at the moment. Vayne is the best against some team comps, but certainly not against a team with very high burst. Caitlyn or Lucian would be better against such a team, even in the late game.
Imperfected
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I think Vayne's still pretty strong, despite not being at all in-meta - she isn't very good at fast pushing in lane-swap situations and it's trendy right now to split-push with a top laner since they can generally run Teleport, making her potential to do so redundant, and of course she's one of the lowest-tier choices for siege comps - because she's still a premiere tank-buster, and supertanks are still totally a thing.
Kog's in sort of the same state, but trading out dueling and clean-up potential for better sieging, which is going to be more attractive to a wider range of compositions right now. (Outside of China and Taiwan, anyway. I guess they're still pretty hype to play duelist teams, even when they maybe shouldn't.)
Kog's in sort of the same state, but trading out dueling and clean-up potential for better sieging, which is going to be more attractive to a wider range of compositions right now. (Outside of China and Taiwan, anyway. I guess they're still pretty hype to play duelist teams, even when they maybe shouldn't.)
i saw adcs play some great kogmaw on champions
also i'm glad this is a short tournament, i can't stand montecristo anymore
Agree with that, without Doa and Chobra around, the arrogant talk starts to get annoying, especially at 4 AM. At least Krepo and Phreak lighten the mood a bit.
I'm hoping for an SKT vs OMG finals on Sunday. Never liked C9 much in NA, like em less with a CLG sub.
The Fire and Ice matches back and forth is the best part of allstars narratively anyway.