thanks for going into raw numbers, I never ever really had a run out of mana problem on chalice but I guess it's worth a try. I've seen froggen use it, I don't really get it but w/e
I dunno how I'm supposed to fill tear with lux though, at best 6 seconds cooldown with 40% cdr on her E.
edit: also if you have 40% cdr on lux at lvl 16 it means you have blue buff, which would leave you with chalice at 32 mp5 (amped up to 64 considering depending on how much mana you're missing) plus 0.5% of your mana per sec., plus 16ish mp5 (amped up to 32 thanks to chalice) from her level. I haven't done the math but under those circumstances I'm guessing mana is not an issue with chalice at all. if you add blue buff to tear it's probably even more excessive a difference, but what do I care if I already have all the mana I ever need? to take longer to go back to base? I like stocking up on wards, and if there's a teamfight and you got out alive I'm guessing you either won't need mana for a good 30 seconds or you'll be going back to base anyways.
also ironically enough all the times I've bought tear I've found it to be really underwhelming and ran out of mana a lot easier because I kept spamming spells to charge it up, but I guess that's my inexperience with the item more than anything.
edit2: btw I'm now routinely buying morello's on lux, so it's not like I'm predicating for chalice or anything. only morellos does have mana issues that make you very blue-buff dependant so it does makes sense to mix it up with tear, which is why I've just added it to my recommended items program.
Ew. Zhonyas on lux. I never go that route unless I'm against a zed mid. Don't even need it against talon.
what's wrong with zhonyas on lux? it's saved me more times than I can count
and before you say something about positioning, this is league of double gapclosers and undodgeable vi and darius ults and triple stun jumping flobbers and whatever shit riot comes up with next
And yeah. Tear-guise-rabadons was what I said before. However I sometimes skip guise if my team is really ahead so I rush rabadons to end the game faster.
You seriously got to try the tear build bro. You ain't played s3 lux if you haven't built the crazy snowball tear build.
Bigger mana pool>mana regen in team fights. Ain't got the time to wait for mana.
And I'll contribute with the maths tomorrow when I can get on a computer.
interested in the maths, because really the mana problem I don't see it. I don't know if stacking tear got you people ridiculously trigger happy or something but even at my spammiest I never run out of mana with chalice.
and again it's the damage I'm interested in, I dunno why both or you are concentrating on mana. you've seen my matches history, it's not like I don't kill anybody and I'm sitting on unused spells, I poke, I snipe, I position myself to maximize damage on teamfights, I use her passive, I go into mid-game beast mode and roam and try to make shit happen all over the map, whatever.
if I say chalice is enough for me is because I've tried it. a lot. I don't mind trying seraph, I can see the point in trading zhonyas for it since seraph lets you move, which is crucial on lux, but without the damage to back it I'm not sure if I care to bother stacking that shit up.
should I be aiming for getting it filled by 25? say I shoot my Q and E spells every 10 seconds (E's cd), that's 48 mana per minute, it'd take me about 15 minutes to fill it up. doesn't sound so bad, and you have to also account for her ult and W, blue buff and 3% cdr from masteries (I take 3 instead of 4), and base spam.