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Legend of Zelda Mafia |OT| A Lynch to the Past

CCS

Banned
You know what, screw it.

VOTE: Kawl_USC

I really don't mind being questioned or suspected. I don't mind people voting for me. But there's a point where you start tunneling so hard on someone that you're a liability to town, because you're blinded to all the other possibilities by your refusal to look away. You're there now.
 

Ty4on

Member
Kawl hasn't exactly been playing super townie, but I don't understand his actions from a scum perspective.

Gotta look at Kawl vs Sorian again
 

Kawl_USC

Member
You know what, screw it.

VOTE: Kawl_USC

I really don't mind being questioned or suspected. I don't mind people voting for me. But there's a point where you start tunneling so hard on someone that you're a liability to town, because you're blinded to all the other possibilities by your refusal to look away. You're there now.

I've said multiple times that I'm open to cases being made on others. They will have to be strong cases to sway me from finding you the best lynch today.

Calling others a liability to town is laughable coming from you however.
 

cabot

Member
I've said multiple times that I'm open to cases being made on others. They will have to be strong cases to sway me from finding you the best lynch today.

Calling others a liability to town is laughable coming from you however.

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CCS

Banned
I've said multiple times that I'm open to cases being made on others. They will have to be strong cases to sway me from finding you the best lynch today.

Calling others a liability to town is laughable coming from you however.

I'm not a liability to town, I'm a liability to scum. We're going to be down to two in no time at this rate :p
 
People I'm most suspicious of: Melon (have been since yesterday, plus Cab's post above), Bronx (I don't mind people suspecting/voting for me, but what the hell at his sudden about face today), Kawl (tunneling harder than Jeremy Corbyn's poll numbers).

Okay. But how about you answers the questions I asked you?

Seems only fair if a thief could theoretically be allowed to steal on the first night.

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melon, who are your scum reads currently?

How likely do you think CCS being scum is?

I didn't mean which night the Thief could be active. Just the priority of the Steal move. Trying to understand the logistics of a double night action on the same person. I don't nessarliy disbelieve Natiko, I think it is likely true, interesting that a new(er) person was selected and none of our more infamous players.

I still don't like CCS. This current strategy of deflecting and switching of stances is worrying. Also, end of yesterday was some of the most anti-town shut ever.

Nin also still there.

I have misgivings about you, Doctor. But you has the same about me labeling me scum. I felt more comfortable with your behavior as I caught up the end of yesterday. And I think your attempt to push for discussion today is a genuine attempt.

Probably someone in the inactives pile so TerraPop/Magnum/Ynnek.

Tim is still a blind spot but he has been helpful and activity.

Fran was my strongest town read, I see think Sophia is likely town. Not really sure about the push to lynch her yesterday.

Still waking up. More thoughts later.
 
I'm not a liability to town, I'm a liability to scum. We're going to be down to two in no time at this rate :p

I sincerely hope you are scum. Because if you are town and still don't get it...

I can't even think of a gif reaction that could effectively sum up my disdain.
 

CCS

Banned
See above. Make it good kid.

Cab has just been playing in what I would consider a very town fashion. Getting useful discussion going, challenging people without tunneling, just seems like a good town.

Natiko was predicated on the assumption that acohrs was town. I retract that read now, on the basis scum wouldn't have gone as heavy on scum as Nat did.
 

Sophia

Member
Morning, everyone. I'm catching up as fas as I ca.... zzz....

TB can you tell us where you're at?

Also has Sophia been scum outside of the game which we do not speak?

I haven't been scum since Werewolf sadly. One day, perhaps... :p

I'm not a liability to town, I'm a liability to scum. We're going to be down to two in no time at this rate :p

As someone who learned the hard way, and Kawl can vouched for this because HE LYNCHED ME, I'll just say this...

You were a liability to town the moment you claimed vanilla townie at the start of the game.
 

CCS

Banned
Morning, everyone. I'm catching up as fas as I ca.... zzz....



I haven't been scum since Werewolf sadly. One day, perhaps... :p



As someone who learned the hard way, and Kawl can vouched for this because HE LYNCHED ME, I'll just say this...

You were a liability to town the moment you claimed vanilla townie at the start of the game.

In my defence, I genuinely didn't know that was frowned on. My bad, I apologise for that unreservedly.

Unfortunately, nothing I can really do about that now. Onwards ever onwards and all that.
 

Terrabyte20xx

Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
TB can you tell us where you're at?

Also has Sophia been scum outside of the game which we do not speak?
Juat kinda getting a gauge on the players as well as SLOWLY catching up on day one. From what I have read so far the names that give me uneasy feelings are Kawl, CCS, and Cabot. This is purely gut at the moment.
 

Sophia

Member
Kawl's behavior in Day 1 was kind of weird, but Kawl's behavior in Day 2 is more what I remember from town!Kawl.

Actually, I don't think I've played with scum!Kawl yet... ? Hmm.
 
I'm not a liability to town, I'm a liability to scum. We're going to be down to two in no time at this rate :p
Don't do this, especially if you are town. It does not help us at all, and just increases the distraction of the day.
It's not like any of them are around right now :p
Even if we were not around, which several of us are, we still are going to read through the thread. Players have been lynched for less, and it really is not in town's best interest for town players to force a mislynch. That's only doing scum's job for them.
 

CCS

Banned
I'm slightly running into a wall trying to analyse the voting patterns, I'm not sure what the most revealing part is. I still don't have any hugely strong scum reads (hence my vote being on Kawl) but I'm going to have to come up with one soon.

After roughly this time tomorrow I probably won't be able to post rest of the day.
 

Ty4on

Member
Is this Werewolf 2.0?

I mean Werewolf 1 2.0
Do you mean as in scum is flailing or CCS as scum? Maybe.

I think we likely have at least one scum among the more active players. If we presume that to be true, who do you think it could be? I'm still kinda thinking Sophia.
 

Ynnek7

Member
Good morning, everyone! Sorry for missing the beginning this day phase, the entirety of my night/morning was spent helping my wife get ready for her first ever plane trip. Saved way too much for the last minute, so last night was pretty hectic.

Wanted to check in, though. Sad to see Franconp and Sorian go, but welcome Terrabyte!

I'll be able to give a reader of the thread today while at work, and post what I come up with tonight.

I see your questions, Cabot, and can get to them later. Don't want you to think I'm ignoring them.

Interesting that there's an item giver in the game. Also that an item thief managed to luck out and steal something night one, lol.

After Acohrs flip, I really wanted to try to believe CCS was town, but I'm still not feeling it yet.
 

Ty4on

Member
Cab has just been playing in what I would consider a very town fashion. Getting useful discussion going, challenging people without tunneling, just seems like a good town.
When you put it that way he sounds really scummy :|

Useful and reasonable town... *shudders*
 

Ty4on

Member
Kyan brought up the secret partner think and when pushed brought up Acohrs as suspecious. He doesn't seem as bored/frustrated scum as in prior games. He is acting a little like his town self in Pixar but I'd still like to hear more of anything from him. He has been more relevant to the game that some of our inactive tho.
Hmm. How would you describe town Kyan?
 

Sawneeks

Banned
Here's a question, doubt I'll get an answer but why not try?

Sawneeks/LP, if items do exist in this game would you reveal the items a person held on a flip?

Sorry for the late reply.

Yes. If items did exist then any items a person was holding would be revealed upon their flip.
 

Ty4on

Member
Sophia, can you refresh my memory on how you felt about melon day 1? Any changes since then?
I wanna ask questions too!

If there's at least one active scum player, who do you think is most likely?
Also feelings about Stanley if you have any.
 

Kawl_USC

Member
I wanna ask questions too!

If there's at least one active scum player, who do you think is most likely?
Also feelings about Stanley if you have any.

Rereading from day start real quick. I want to say you or Tim but don't have a strong reason for that as of yet just bad feeling. And I guess that only counts for varying definitions of active.

Stanley generally reads positively too me. Hard to make a great read on lower activity though.
 

Sophia

Member
Sophia, can you refresh my memory on how you felt about melon day 1? Any changes since then?

I was in an "I don't know" state with her. Her notes were, as I noted, lacking in hard stances. And as noted, she came to the defense of Bronx, which makes me curious given his Day 2 stances so far.

In light of acohrs flipping scum and her having acohrs as neutral, I find that read interesting.

Acohrs – it has been already pointed out that this one has been all over the place. Very little content and not really engaging with anyone, despite multiple attempts from various people. Claiming ignorance and downplaying experience, despite winning their previous game as scum, and earning lots of kudos. D1 isn’t that different from other days, so the defense rings a little hollow to me. My vote would for Acohrs however I not convinced Acohrs is scum, I starting that Acohrs wants people voting for him and possibly a neutral. Because as town, I want Acohrs to cut it out and get serious, if I was scum, I want Acohrs to cut it out and stop drawing so much attention D1. Neutral.

The bolded is a really wishy washy stance to take, which doesn't install confidence to me. But of course, would scum call out their own teammate openly like that? I'm also not sure why a scum player would mark their fellow scum player with such a neutral stance like this.

I wanna ask questions too!

If there's at least one active scum player, who do you think is most likely?
Also feelings about Stanley if you have any.

Don't have many feelings about Stanley. I think I recall him being a bit more active in Day 1, but I'd have to re-read stuff over. He's a blind spot for me.

As for there being a potential active scum player, I'm feeling neutral on cabot, slightly more confident about Kawl being town, and not so great about CzarTim being town.




In Tim's case, there was a lot of weird stuff from him at the end of Day 1.

He was hesitant about voting for me:

Still think Sophia is my strongest scum read, but it's super gut based and not comfortable pushing a vote there.

I think cabot is my strongest town read rn.


CCS feels much more reserved than last game. Like last game he seemed to be having more fun, but now he's not? Like he's cautious but here.

Agree with cab's statements on melon, and we've def. seen scum post their notes to show how townie they are before.
Vote:melonrabbit

Aco, I actually read him as frustrated townie when I / fran pushed him earlier. Like he couldn't understand why he was being pressured which reads more town than scum, who know and want to change.

I am not feeling super great today, but will be around. If it takes me a bit to reply, that's why./

And had a weak justification for it, which I called him out on:

I don't believe you should vote out someone who is contributing a lot to the discussion on day one, even if you are scum leaning them. If you are right, waiting to push them in future days gives you way more to work on in future days. If you are wrong, well you are doing scum's job for them. Town loses when it's big talkers are gone.

So yes, I am scum reading her, but it's a day one gut read and I am acknowledging she has been contributing positively to town regardless of alignment.
Chiming in real fast just to say a few things.

Firstly, I just want to say...



... this is a bit silly. If you think I'm scum, you should push for it. There are enough big talkers in this game that one of us getting removed isn't going to significantly impact the game on day one.

He was pushing for a narrative of a Sophia/Sorian team. One of whom is confirmed town now by virtue of being dead.

How does this preclude a Sophia / Sorian scum team? Not seeing it.

He then changed his mind about voting me out, and jumped on the vote after Ty4on had voted for me.

Vote: Sophia

my mind is a foggy mess rn, lets dance

Also, he wasn't feeling wise about going for at least one person who was confirmed scum:

Don't think it's wise to go ccs or aco today. So open question to anyone voting for them post implosion: if they flip town will you vote the other tomorrow?

But later jumped on the confirmed scum it when it looked clear that CCS, myself, or Aco was going to be flipped:

If I flip aco, will someone else join?
I'd rather see aco's flip, so I'll change if it's close at the end

In light of CCS trying to toss the lynch on to me, all of that doesn't make me feel confident about him, to say the least.
 

Kawl_USC

Member
If CCS is scum, I feel pretty bad about Nin by virtue of him trying to place a lot of emphasis on the voting pattern and switches.

If CCS is town, I think Tim gets the closest thing to a clear from the series of event. But I didn't like his Bronx vote to start today. Felt like it's not the worst thing to think that there is likely scum in a pair from their off kilter interactions and so if one half flips town, wanting to vote the other the next day follows logically IMO.
 

Sophia

Member
lol I suppose if you wanted to take my posts out of context it would make me look scummy. What a garbage post

I mean, if you wish to engage in argumentum ad lapidem, that's fine too. I guess.

If CCS is scum, I feel pretty bad about Nin by virtue of him trying to place a lot of emphasis on the voting pattern and switches.

If CCS is town, I think Tim gets the closest thing to a clear from the series of event. But I didn't like his Bronx vote to start today. Felt like it's not the worst thing to think that there is likely scum in a pair from their off kilter interactions and so if one half flips town, wanting to vote the other the next day follows logically IMO.

I'm reading over some stuff (in particular Nin), but I'm not seeing anything here at first glance that I object to. So...
 
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