Legend of Zelda Wii U Gameplay Demo
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TheMoon
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The red circle is where I thought the mountain was. I tried to take into account the fact that the further we go, the more apart the tower and the mountain were going to be.
Which mountain are you referring to? Death Mountain (= the one with the smoke cloud around its peak)?
On mobile, wont quote that huge post lol
I would increase the total time by 25%~50% to factor areas you cannot cross with Epona, like water bodies or cliffs.
Theorically, it can take as much as the distance in straight line squared, but obviously, it doesn't apply here
Great post, good job 
I would increase the total time by 25%~50% to factor areas you cannot cross with Epona, like water bodies or cliffs.
Theorically, it can take as much as the distance in straight line squared, but obviously, it doesn't apply here
CoffeeJanitor
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Wish map was bigger
Skyrim size? Not enough
Skyrim size? Not enough
Inquisitive_Ghost
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I generally agree with everything you've said in this post, I'm just not sure why you quoted me to say it.
On mobile, wont quote that huge post lol
Great post, good job
I would increase the total time by 25%~50% to factor areas you cannot cross with Epona, like water bodies or cliffs.
Theorically, it can take as much as the distance in straight line squared, but obviously, it doesn't apply here
My calculations are purely based on Epona traveling in a straight line, to get to one side of the map from the other. Looking at the map, that's just not possible, because as you say there are a lot of obstacles in the way. So yeah, it's going to take a lot longer than the time i calculated
mdtauk
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Just expanding on your thoughts about what Demise is or represents.
Palculator
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On the flipside this game will likely have much better dungeons, combat and exploration in general as opposed to Skyrim. Less bugs too.
I did pretty much the same thing earlier (click on the post for the pictures):I've been trying to figure out the size of the map, and so I've taken a close look at the four levels of zoom seen in the latest video. Luckily most of the map is not obscured at each of the zoom levels, and so I've managed to take measurements between fixed points to come up with some (hopefully accurate) measurements.
My methodology was to first choose an arbitrary unit. I settled on the length of 10 trees (roughly), and I'll explain later why. Once I had this unit, I simply then measured the distance between two fixed points (the pink dots in the screens below) that were also visible on the map when it was zoomed out to the next level. I repeated this process for all four levels of zoom.
Bear in mind, I obviously had to correct the map images for perspective and distortion, so this wont be 100% accurate. Also, when going up a zoom level, detail is obviously lost and therefore it was slightly hard lining up the fixed points exactly.
Zoom level 4:
Zoom level 3:
Zoom level 2:
Zoom level 1:
So that gives us the map size of 84x100 units. OK, so why did I choose 10 tree lengths to represent one unit? Well, looking closely at the parts of the video where Link is riding through the small forest of trees, it appears that it takes Epona about 10 seconds to ride through 10 trees.
Based on this we can get an estimate for how long it'll take to traverse the map:
Time to traverse height of map: 84 units x 10 seconds = 840 seconds = 14 minutes.
Time to traverse width of map: 100 units x 10 seconds = 1000 seconds = 16.66 minutes.
This is assuming Epona can travel at full gallop constantly (AND that my estimate of 10 seconds for 10 trees is even correct). So let's assume Epona can't gallop constantly, and so she takes 15 seconds instead of 10 to cover 1 unit (10 tree lengths). The figures now look like this:
Time to traverse height of map: 21 minutes.
Time to traverse width of map: 25 minutes.
Further to working out the speed it takes to traverse the map, I also chose 10 tree lengths to equal 1 unit, because if we can come up with the diameter of 1 tree then in theory we can work out the size of the map!
Feel free to offer any improvements or corrections, I might be way off in my calculations!
There's no way to judge which is most accurate, but I think the correct answer for size is somewhere between yours and mine. If we assume that 1 tree = 20 feet, then for your calculations the width is about 3.2 miles, while I got 4.4 miles. I'd wager that the true width is about 3.6-4.0 miles.
Yeah, its not very pratical to calculate things that are not straightMy calculations are purely based on Epona traveling in a straight line, to get to one side of the map from the other. Looking at the map, that's just not possible, because as you say there are a lot of obstacles in the way. So yeah, it's going to take a lot longer than the time i calculated
PooBone
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Shadow of the Colossus comes to mind, although the forests in that game weren't massive.
Laughing out loud at this post. Jesus
SMH....
What was Zelda's "height of its popularity"?
The series sold more than 78M units.
* List miss Link’s Crossbow Training which sold 5.79M
** Also note Twilight Princess was released almost at the same time for both GC and Wii.
TheMoon
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What was Zelda's "height of its popularity"?
The series sold more than 78M units.
* List miss Links Crossbow Training which sold 5.79M
** Also note Twilight Princess was released almost at the same time for both GC and Wii.
It's missing re release and downloadables but quite the accurate picture, I'd say Zelda's image to the public at large really is between OoT and TP (with a side of Original zelda 1)....
Source?
Couldn't that just be here:
Other idea, unless H2O:
It could. It's hard to tell, with perspective, distances and all.
Shipment data by Nintendo.
Only million-seller games (include bundles/dl)
Yeah, but I always like to 100% my game. Although, Zelda is my favorite game serie, I don't usually replay it once I beat it.
TheMoon
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How about we just ask them nicely if they could invite us to Kyoto so we could check for ourselves. Surely they'd understand that we must know where that one mountain is.
I think this might be.Other idea, unless H2O:
It's impossible for it to be too close, you can see a waterfall in front of the mountain so it must have a river or a lake close to it.
That one.
I know a lot of people are arguing differently but I want to say that that mountain (as well as the mountain range on the left) is part of the FOREGROUND. The death mountain you actually can't see from the beginning of the game.
Just watch this moment again, and take note of the parallax. You'll notice the mountain actually shifts quite a bit compared to the further background mountains.
I will mark out where I think the mountains are.
Let me say this again, this map is fucking huge. They even said it in the demo - "That's a huge world, we haven't even seen the whole world yet!" and pointing to the BOTTOM RIGHT REGION he says, "This must be the edge of the world."
There are a number of ways you could interpret this, but I'm going to put all my money in saying, what we see in the picture above is ONLY the bottom right region. We can't even see death mountain or whatever. We only see the first mountain ranges in the mid-ground!
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Omg all of this map detective work is fun
PooBone
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I think it's time for candle to shine.
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To support my earlier claim, I present to you, your honour, another piece of evidence.
Look at this picture:
Notice that we are ON THE GROUND. A huge altitude change compared to the image earlier. YET the marked mountain is looking almost exactly the same.
Imagine if the mountain was actually in the background - what should happen is that the peak would disappear under the foreground part because of parallax!
Your honour, this concludes my argument. The map is fucking huge and we haven't even seen the background mountains yet.
Tell me about it... I'm having too much fun. Must get back to work.
Look at this picture:
Notice that we are ON THE GROUND. A huge altitude change compared to the image earlier. YET the marked mountain is looking almost exactly the same.
Imagine if the mountain was actually in the background - what should happen is that the peak would disappear under the foreground part because of parallax!
Your honour, this concludes my argument. The map is fucking huge and we haven't even seen the background mountains yet.
Tell me about it... I'm having too much fun. Must get back to work.
PooBone
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Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm
I really hope the pacing of this game is streamlined over the last couple console games. Think more Ocarina of Time for tutorial length/depth as opposed to Skyward Sword.
I'll love if they give you a boat like the one in TP to navigate all the rivers.
ReyVGM
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Battery meter.
You're just too sure that it's not going to happen. I'll stand firm on that point.
No matter how many times you state it as a fact, it's still just your prediction. Period.
That's fine. Predict away, but you'd might as well keep in mind that you're not actually officially confirming or denying something here. You're predicting. Right?
efyu_lemonardo
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I wonder if they've been focusing on the bow and arrow because that's your main weapon in this game?
If so, maybe they intend to still support motion controls for sword and shield.
If so, maybe they intend to still support motion controls for sword and shield.
Since Link is right-handed in this one, they might. Though I doubt the game will be balanced for motion-controls, it will be an option.
efyu_lemonardo
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that's good enough for me, plus there's the balance board for those who may need it.
TheMoon
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I know a lot of people are arguing differently but I want to say that that mountain (as well as the mountain range on the left) is part of the FOREGROUND. The death mountain you actually can't see from the beginning of the game.
Just watch this moment again, and take note of the parallax. You'll notice the mountain actually shifts quite a bit compared to the further background mountains.
I will mark out where I think the mountains are.
Let me say this again, this map is fucking huge. They even said it in the demo - "That's a huge world, we haven't even seen the whole world yet!" and pointing to the BOTTOM RIGHT REGION he says, "This must be the edge of the world."
There are a number of ways you could interpret this, but I'm going to put all my money in saying, what we see in the picture above is ONLY the bottom right region. We can't even see death mountain or whatever. We only see the first mountain ranges in the mid-ground!
After rewatching the footage, I agree.
There was a JC2 comparison?
mdtauk
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Looking at what they did with Pikmin and Mario Bros U - they have offered the broadest support of controllers to suit the style of the player (even if they encourage one particular style)
No guarantee they will do it, but Twilight Princess and Wind Waker HD's offered a choice of controls...
I highly doubt that there will be more then one control scheme (unless you count the Wii U pro controller, which has a small chance of being optional). There is no way that Wiimotes will be used in any way. They aren't going to build an entire separate combat system just for the people who want to slash in 8 directions.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=843698
There was a Kyoto comparison, and Kyoto is of similar size to the world of JC2, although its very likely that we are misinterpreting Aonuma (like always).
TheMoon
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Don't segregate them. The most recent Zelda game is ALBW. The tutorial lesson was learned and applied there already. Stop treating Skyward Sword as the current standard for Zelda opening tutorials.
Oh that old hat.
Meaningless temp HD
Sure, since I don't work at EAD I'm just guessing. But it's an educated guess, not a blind wish or something. I have yet to see someone argue against my point though. Saying other games do it is meaningless if they do it in a different manner.
TP didn't. You had to buy a different game to pick between "options." It would've been awesome if the Wii version let you mirror the game world to its original form and use the GCN controller, making the GCN version obsolete.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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GameXplain analysis will be up in a few hours
Lol
IGN got told lol.
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