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Legend of Zelda Wii U Gameplay Demo
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That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it.
brandonh83
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Didn't Wind Waker pretty much fulfill that idea already anyway?
No that was post-flood
PooBone
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My wife was in the room with me. She was entertained lol.
Your reaction sounds like the infamous Twilight Princess unveil. By the way, some of what we saw reminds me of what I FELT like when I first saw this. It's not a spoiler to say the game that came out wasn't quite what I expected.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwMdcESljqg
brandonh83
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I think it's better to leave that untouched. That was just the backstory to explain why Hyrule was submerged.
Absolutely not. Judging by the structure of the map and the state of the various artifacts in the region, I would say this game takes place in 184 AHT (After Hero of Time) in the "Decline of Hyrule" timeline, whereupon hylians have begun to disperse from their main cities in to smaller, individual communes due to the inability of the kingdom to protect them during the Imprisoning War. I'll have to do a bit more research, but I think we can all agree that the statues we're seeing are ancient carvings worshiping the Loftwings before their eventual evolution into smaller, more common bird types.
Nicktendo86
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I've always wanted a game set hundred of years after wind waker in which link is part of a deap sea exploration team. They hear legends of a treasure at the bottom of the sea guarded by a monster, of course they say that is silly superstition but explore anyway.
Link travels down in a deep sea diving suit and comes across a monster guarding something, the king of red lions in a water dragon form! Link battles him off to find a strange stone with a beautiful sword hilt sticking out of it, Ganon and the master sword! They extract ganon and the sword, take them back to new hyrule, the sword gets pulled out and ganon is revived.
Silly I know but have this vivid image of this scene looking awesome in my mind.
Link travels down in a deep sea diving suit and comes across a monster guarding something, the king of red lions in a water dragon form! Link battles him off to find a strange stone with a beautiful sword hilt sticking out of it, Ganon and the master sword! They extract ganon and the sword, take them back to new hyrule, the sword gets pulled out and ganon is revived.
Silly I know but have this vivid image of this scene looking awesome in my mind.
Captain Smoker
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I didn't even realize the benefits of auto-running Epona for horseback-fights, this gives the opportunity for some really cool fights. ^^
And I really like this Link is a nomad on his horse idea.
Maybe so. Pretty furtile ground for a much darker Zelda game though. Like we know the flood is going to happen regardless (so that WW can take place), so it could create some interesting narratives.
Haunted
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Needs two more generations before a Nintendo machine is powerful enough to render flowing water realistically enough to make it worthwhile.
Any theories on where in time line this might be taking place?
No clue. :S I'm going to rule out the Adult Timeline after TWW. But that's the only part of the timeline I don't see this happening in.
Here's the list of spots:
Pre-Hyrule - After Skyward Sword and before Hyrule becomes a kingdom
Hyrule Civil War - Sometime after Minish Cap but before Ocarina of Time when Hyrule was killing its own as well as outsiders who had learned about the Triforce and had fallen to greed.
Hero of Time Era - Severely doubt it...but in between OoT, MM and TP. Hero of Time is still alive and becomes a different kind of hero.
After TP - Hyrule between TP and FSA. It's pretty open, but Ganon would be a no-show.
Imprisoning War - Hero of Time "died," war breaks out when greedy hearts turn into monsters while seeking the Triforce. After OoT, before ALttP.
Era of Decline - After LoZ and AoL. Hylians have almost died out...Ganon is still dead.
Era of Peace - After OoT and before TWW. Hyrule basically worships the Hero of Time.
Great Flood - Ganon comes back but the "hero" doesn't. Who says this Link is a hero.
New Hyrule - After Spirit Tracks. It's open ended enough, but I don't see any trains.
If none of these work, they can just shove in another alternative reality timeline...xP
Haunted
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The cool about a long-running franchise like Zelda with its constants in ever-changing environments is how easy it is to imagine awesome stories like that.
Literally the perfect setup for kid's imagination running wild.
I cried during that reveal too. Every time an open world Zelda is possibly alluded to in a trailer, I break down in tears. OoT captured my imagination and the TP trailer made me think we were getting a real open world. I learned from my mistake after TP to know that it's not open world unless they come out and say/show it... which they have this time.
Zelda is about exploration and adventure to me. It's about discovering secrets, finding treasures, all in a world with quirky places and people. The bigger the world, the more exploration there is to have.
TheMoon
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Your post made it sound like you were going to be running around blinded by unrealistic hype proclaiming these things as fact and expecting some things that don't stand a chance of happening (60fps). Hence why I said you're OVERhyping yourself. You can easily be hyped within the boundaries of reason.
That's nice, but stop trying to police my expectations.
TheMoon
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If you don't want someone to comment on your thoughts that you post on a forum then don't post those on a forum where people might comment on them.
Looking at what we know of the world it seems like the game is possibly set before TP, meaning it would take place in the Child Timeline, and thus after MM(wonder if they'll put in some easter eggs in there since it releases before Zelda U).
Some of the geography and what few landmarks we've seen suggest this. Most notably the Great Bridge of Hyrule and what we assume is Lake Hylia itself are the two biggest. That said the geography is actually almost exactly the same layout as the Hyrule of OoT and not TP which kind of messed things up a ton, with Death Mountain and Zora's Domain swapping positions and then Gerudo Valley also going from the NW in OoT to the SW in TP. Same with Hyrule Town/Castle migrating south almost to the center of Hyrule field. Shit was a mess in TP.
As you can see things match up almost perfectly and even the rivers mostly match up with the very simply waterways present in OoT. Save for now an eastern branching riving enters Lake Hylia, much like in TP, and not the westerly river that separates Hyrule Field from Gerudo's Valley in OoT.
As well it wouldn't be unsurprising to find Kakariko Village in the SW location it had in TP as there appeared to be some kind of village in that area on the map which would line up with its migration from its NE position in OoT to the SE.
This though brings up the question of the main Villain though since TP and the official timeline clearly state that Ganondorf was banished to the Twilight Realm some time after MM and did not return until TP. So that begs the question who will we be fighting in Zelda U? Someone new, another former enemy like Vaati? Or will they come up with some way to use Ganondorf again?
Some of the geography and what few landmarks we've seen suggest this. Most notably the Great Bridge of Hyrule and what we assume is Lake Hylia itself are the two biggest. That said the geography is actually almost exactly the same layout as the Hyrule of OoT and not TP which kind of messed things up a ton, with Death Mountain and Zora's Domain swapping positions and then Gerudo Valley also going from the NW in OoT to the SW in TP. Same with Hyrule Town/Castle migrating south almost to the center of Hyrule field. Shit was a mess in TP.
As you can see things match up almost perfectly and even the rivers mostly match up with the very simply waterways present in OoT. Save for now an eastern branching riving enters Lake Hylia, much like in TP, and not the westerly river that separates Hyrule Field from Gerudo's Valley in OoT.
As well it wouldn't be unsurprising to find Kakariko Village in the SW location it had in TP as there appeared to be some kind of village in that area on the map which would line up with its migration from its NE position in OoT to the SE.
This though brings up the question of the main Villain though since TP and the official timeline clearly state that Ganondorf was banished to the Twilight Realm some time after MM and did not return until TP. So that begs the question who will we be fighting in Zelda U? Someone new, another former enemy like Vaati? Or will they come up with some way to use Ganondorf again?
PooBone
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Any theories on where in time line this might be taking place?
I would bet somewhere before OoT
You see.. In Zelda, more technology = older
Interceptor
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Good analysis by Gamexplain as always. Yet i have to disagree about the location of the middle part of the video. I think its actually in the east of lake Hylia, right betweem the starting point, the dungeon and the lake.
Still kinda dissapointed with lake Hylia as the actuall location - i was hoping for an even bigger world where all the gameplay was just some stroll in the southeast.
Still kinda dissapointed with lake Hylia as the actuall location - i was hoping for an even bigger world where all the gameplay was just some stroll in the southeast.
I'm glad that you're so concerned about me that you're trying to stop me getting hurt again, but I've learned my lesson after Skyward Sword. That game was a painful moment in my life and I'm not stupid enough to overhype another Zelda game without reason. This one looks flawless and I'm sticking by that.
So, if you would be so kind, back off.
Orbis Tabula
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So, I've never really understood one thing about the Zelda Timeline. Why is there a separate timeline for Link failing to stop Ganon?
PooBone
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Couldn't agree more. Twilight Princess was good but ultimately a disappointment for me. This game, what they've shown of it so far anyway, has really captured my imagination the way that early TP footage did, and one look at the map shows they're going for the structure I'd hoped for then. Zelda 1 and 2 on NES were low-detail enough that your imagination about the landscape went wild. They've still yet to deliver on the forests they've been alluding to since a year before Ocarina even released.
ReyVGM
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Nintendo did that already in Wave Race 64.
Because it's a good excuse to stuff the other games & backstory (War/ALTTP/Zelda1/Zelda2).
They need a way to put the old games in their own timeline.
Interceptor
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Nice work, but it dissapoints me to no end. I want a new world, new cities, new areas.
Not diving in Lake Hylia for the 10th fucking time.
This game doesn't look flawless.
Orbis Tabula
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Ah, okay. So it's basically understood that that timeline is used for the older games, and no one expects newer ones to go there? Or is that reaching?
LegendofLex
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Even though Ocarina of Time was originally a prequel to A Link to the Past, it was popular enough that they felt obligated to make every major console title that followed it be related to it in some way. And when they made The Wind Waker, they went down a road that couldn't be reconciled with A Link to the Past.
ReyVGM
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Couldn't agree more. Twilight Princess was good but ultimately a disappointment for me. This game, what they've shown of it so far anyway, has really captured my imagination the way that early TP footage did, and one look at the map shows they're going for the structure I'd hoped for then. Zelda 1 and 2 on NES were low-detail enough that your imagination about the landscape went wild. They've still yet to deliver on the forests they've been alluding to since a year before Ocarina even released.
He he, could you imagine if Nintendo once again removes from this game the types of forests they showed in the Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess pre-release screenshots?
TheCongressman1
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Because when Link goes back to being a child before stoping Ganon, he leaves the adult timeline and there is then no hero to stop it.
Since no one really cares about the timeline new games can go anywhere they want to.
I agree that you can't really hope to police other people's expectations, however you do realize how funny this sounds, right?
Unless you're simply not being serious.
Yeah, you're going to be disappointed as fuck when this game come out
Am I the only one who sees a chest on the player model everytime it's in profile? Especially in the hilltop money shot, where as soon as Link is in profile Aonuma pulls it back and the horseback archery. If it's a guy, then it's weird musculature for a such a thin character model.
With the shiekah shield, it makes me really want this to be Zelda.
With the shiekah shield, it makes me really want this to be Zelda.
PooBone
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Looks like it's in the map at this point. I'd be shocked if what we've seen gets removed now.
For what it's worth, I think the mood still fits. This looks Hyrule as fuck, and seeing that bridge in the background really helps set that captivating feeling of exploring an open world, one that is not JUST full of dangers, but also sights, sounds, treasures, and friendly faces.
darkstar0155
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haha right!
I also believe the greatest game ever can come from this team.
Couldn't agree more. Twilight Princess was good but ultimately a disappointment for me. This game, what they've shown of it so far anyway, has really captured my imagination the way that early TP footage did, and one look at the map shows they're going for the structure I'd hoped for then. Zelda 1 and 2 on NES were low-detail enough that your imagination about the landscape went wild. They've still yet to deliver on the forests they've been alluding to since a year before Ocarina even released.
Those 2 pictures and these blew my mind when I was 11-12. "Zelda is taking place in a real world! It even has a full forest to explore!"
Then link riding horseback in hyrule field duped me into thinking TP had a bigger open world than it actually did.
And now, they finally did it. They even proved they did it. I'm so unbelievably happy that what I wanted for OoT/TP is finally real.
DaSorcerer7
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Well when that day comes I'm sure he'll deal with it. Let the guy hype if he wants, geez.
It a guy. You can hear the ss voice actor in the Japan video. The dearm us dead
I'm going to be so very sad when I find out it's a good game
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