Let's discuss the ACTUAL best comic-book film.

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Discotheque said:
i think snyder will finally nail the fight choreography that batman should be known for but aside from that it won't even be the best comic book film of the year

(edgar wright da gawd coming to snatch wigs)
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It'll be between Wright and Singer for best CBM.

Wright seems a surer bet, given that Matt Vaughn isn't on his writing team.
 
I agree, V For Vendetta is a fantastic film and deserves more recognition among its comic film contemporaries. Whenever I think about this film, I remember a line from Roger Ebert's review of The Dark Knight, wherein he says that TDK pushes the comic book film into deeper waters and that:

"This film (TDK), and to a lesser degree “Iron Man,” redefine the possibilities of the “comic-book movie.”

To that I always thought, "Roger, V For Vendetta and to a lesser degree, A History of Violence, already did that."
 
Scullibundo said:
It'll be between Wright and Singer for best CBM.

Wright seems a surer bet, given that Matt Vaughn isn't on his writing team.
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x men is next year though, not 2015. and as mindblowing as that cast and premise and director reunion is.....


...the film is gonna have jennifer lawrence mystique. such a terrible performance. if it wasn't for january jones it would have been the worst of the film.
 
I'd actually toss the original Men in Black in the mix, certainly as the comic book movie that most improves on the source material.
 
Discotheque said:
x men is next year though, not 2015. and as mindblowing as that cast and premise and director reunion is.....


...the film is gonna have jennifer lawrence mystique. such a terrible performance. if it wasn't for january jones it would have been the worst of the film.
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Agreed. But you should worry more about Matthew Vaughn and Kinberg being behind the scripting duties.
 
wrong wrong wrong. all of you. bow down to the greatest.

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WonkersTHEWatilla said:
I agree, V For Vendetta is a fantastic film and deserves more recognition among its comic film contemporaries. Whenever I think about this film, I remember a line from Roger Ebert's review of The Dark Knight, wherein he says that TDK pushes the comic book film into deeper waters and that:

"This film (TDK), and to a lesser degree “Iron Man,” redefine the possibilities of the “comic-book movie.”

To that I always thought, "Roger, V For Vendetta and to a lesser degree, A History of Violence, already did that."
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When people say "comic book movie" in that context they mean "superhero movie," though, and Ebert is 100% right about that. V for Vendetta and A History of Violence are based on comic books, but they're fairly unorthodox in terms of subject matter and narrative content. V has a more superhero-ish hook in the character of V, but to say they mark the same kind of sea change in comic book superhero film adaptations as TDK and Iron Man is to intentionally misinterpret what Ebert is saying.

I can definitely see an argument for and possibly even agree with V for Vendetta as the best film based on a comic book, with honorable mentions to The Crow and A History of Violence. But the best comic book movie in the way Ebert intends the term is The Avengers, with no competition whatsoever.
 
I saw V For Vendetta once. It left no impression on me whatsoever. In fact, i've completely forgotten the details. Maybe i'll give it another shot someday.
 
MattKeil said:
When people say "comic book movie" in that context they mean "superhero movie," though, and Ebert is 100% right about that. V for Vendetta and A History of Violence are based on comic books, but they're fairly unorthodox in terms of subject matter and narrative content. V has a more superhero-ish hook in the character of V, but to say they mark the same kind of sea change in comic book superhero film adaptations as TDK and Iron Man is to intentionally misinterpret what Ebert is saying.

I can definitely see an argument for and possibly even agree with V for Vendetta as the best film based on a comic book, with honorable mentions to The Crow and A History of Violence. But the best comic book movie in the way Ebert intends the term is The Avengers, with no competition whatsoever.
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Considering that Ebert explicitly mentions V For Vendetta's origins as a graphic novel and even references Batman (to contrast with V) in his review of the film, I don't feel that my use of the snippet from his TDK is a misappropriation, though I will allow for some room for the possibility that he meant "superhero film" when referring to TDK and Iron Man. I will contend however that V For Vendetta is very much a superhero film despite it being unorthodox.
 
Scullibundo said:
I think where this has the edge on Watchmen is that Snyder's film was slavish to the source material to a fault. I was happy that Snyder kept so many of the important scenes from the comic that could have been easily lost, but he also included stuff that felt rather unnecessary in an adaptation. Also, the one thing he didn't keep was the one thing that was sorely lacking in the film - the consequences of Veidt's action - which were explicitly witnessed in Moore's comic and brushed over by a crater in the film. Out of all the needless devotion to the source material and the adult content, that was where Snyder pussed out. That's something that V never did.
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Being a big fan of the comic, i was following the production of the film very closely at the time (probably too closely) and was extremely critical of Snyder and every change he made, but despite being disappointed about this aspect of the ending, i wouldn't say he pussed out. I remember reading that it was a compromise he had to make with the studio if he wanted to keep
Adrian alive, instead of having him killed by Nite Owl II after Rorschach's death.
Maybe that does constitute pussing out to some, but seeing as he didn't have carte blanche and had to fight to keep some things, i cut him some slack.
 
Extensively misses the point of it's source material. Anarchism is not the same thing as liberalism, and they do not work interchangeably as thematic devices. Vapid, overly stylized drivel would be the most polite way I could describe the movie. Villains are reduced to cartoons, Natalie Portman's British accent verges on the worst in cinematic history, and even the action choreography is average.

As a comic-book film I'd rank it just above Spider-Man 3.
 
Supermanisdead said:
lmao punisher 2004 might be one of the worst atrocities in modern history
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"... in certain extreme situations, the law is inadequate. In order to shame its inadequacy, it is necessary to act outside the law. To pursue... natural justice. This is not vengeance. Revenge is not a valid motive, it's an emotional response. No, not vengeance. Punishment"

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Here are some good comic book adaptations :

- Ghost World
- Persepolis
- American Splendor
- Lone Wolf and Cub: Sword of Vengeance
- A History of Violence ?

Possibly Blue is the warmest colour ?

These are only examples, there are dozens of films that fare better than Wachowskis' showoff.

Sadly, there are no good feature films adapted from Moore's work. V is slightly less horrible than most comic book films I'll grant you that. It doesn't hit the rock bottom level of 300 but in the end it's pretty boring and utterly useless.
 
That's not Batman Begins or The Dark Knight.

V is great though so I'm not going to diss the movie.

Instead of that, OP shut up and go home.
 
This is a thread reminding me how many films I like come from comics. V for Vendetta is really not a great movie :\.

Ghost World & Road to Perdition the pick of non-superhero adaptations though.
 
It's not perfect, but I'm glad the movie ditched the vengeful widow subplot, that was both incredibly far-fetched and crucial in the original, and that it added Tchaikovsky to the explosions.
Something that spawned both from Alan Moore and the Wachowskis was bound to be special.
 
JdFoX187 said:
I've seen this argument proposed a lot, and I don't buy it. Manhattan worked with the Americans, but he was never America's weapon. He was pretty much the nuclear deterrent for both sides, throughout the whole movie. Veidt's plan playing out as it did, while still inferior to the graphic novel, doesn't diminish the impact or hinder the ending. Leaving out Veidt asking Manhattan if he did the right thing -- perhaps the most crucial line in the whole damn graphic novel -- was more harmful than the omission of an alien squid.
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There are literally newspapers in the movie touting Manhattan as the first super human and America claiming him as their own. He was absolutely being claimed as a product of America.

It doesn't matter if he was used as a deterrent. The whole point of the squid was that it was something completely alien and something that couldn't be pinned to any one nation. If there were a superhuman from America and he went crazy and destroyed a bunch of major cities there would absolutely be fingers pointed America's way.
 
I actually think this movie is pretty damn bad and even more sophomoric than the book. It has all the subtlety of Oliver Stone or Michael Moore, with nothing interesting to say.
 
OP failed hard with V for Vendetta. The movie pales to the comic. But even the comic kind lost its point after September 11th. It is message was something like "You should defend your ideas/ideals no matter how, you should fight back". But that works both ways. A violence response to violence is still violence. I liked the comics back in the 90s, but not anymore.
 
Chiaroscuro said:
OP failed hard with V for Vendetta. The movie pales to the comic. But even the comic kind lost its point after September 11th. It is message was something like "You should defend your ideas/ideals no matter how, you should fight back". But that works both ways. A violence respose to violence is still violence. I liked the comics back in the 90s, but not anymore.
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I think Moore even acknowledged in the book's foreword that the politics of the story were reactionary and kind of naive.
 
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