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[Boss Mog]

LCD is not a replacement for OLED, even the newest models still have the same problems that tvs had 20 years ago (but of course much less apparent). And first gen of RGB mini LEDs doesn't look impressive at all (worse than normal mini LEDs in some aspects). LCDs just got brighter and brighter in recent years (oleds as well).

True replacement for OLEDs is mico led or something like Qdel.

Doubts. We just had huge brightness improvements this gen on all oled variants. The vast majority of content isn't mastered beyond 1000 nits anyway. Even mid tier oleds are bright enough these days. I can't go back to lcd smearing and blooming. Mini LEDs can get brighter in bigger window sizes but that's mostly useless unless you're watching YouTube ai slop.

Listen we can debate the pros and cons of each all day but I think it comes down to personal situation when deciding which to buy. But I stand by my statement that mini-LED tech is evolving very rapidly thanks to heavy investments by Chinese brands. Look at the improvements TCL made in just 2 years:



When you read the reviews for the TCL C8K and C9K many of them specifically state the lack of blooming in their positives so I can't help but chuckle when I see those exaggerated blooming pics earlier in the thread.

But when I said LG were desperate, I meant it in regards to sales and market-share. miniLED gained tremendous ground on OLED in the last few years, so much so that in 2025 miniLED topped OLED in total shipments for the first time and the gap will surely widen in 2026 and beyond.

 

[Radical_3d]

It's just another LCD, nothing wrong with that statement.

So bloom still not fixed on LCD:

This is a shitty TLC in one of the most bloom demanding demos:

And Bravia 9 is even better, and already a dated technology. The OLED era is over.

 

[FalconPunch]

This is a shitty TLC in one of the most bloom demanding demos:

And Bravia 9 is even better, and already a dated technology. The OLED era is over.

The bravia 9 has blooming so I don't know what you're talking about. I bought one and then returned it to get a LG G4.

 

[Radical_3d]

The bravia 9 has blooming ao I don't know what you're talking about. I bought one and then returned it to get a LG G4.

Congrats on having TV calibration device tier eyes!

 

[FalconPunch]

Congrats on having TV calibration device tier eyes!

I'm surprised you can't see it. It's quite easy to replicate.

 

[RJMacready73]

My LGCX is still going strong, granted it suffers when watching during the day in our south facing room, hell I've seen me give up gaming on a Saturday afternoon because the blacks are so washed out but once the sun fucks off it's still a stellar picture with no dead pixels or burn in, was all set to replace it with a Sony Bravia8 Mkii but preferred the punchier picture of the LG G5, then winter arrived and the dull days make my old CX grand again, so I've parked the purchase till next spring but yeah I'd never not buy an OLED TV no matter how good LCD tech gets

 

[Cakeboxer]

Nice try, i would never trade my Sony LED for an OLED. My next Tv will be MicroLED or QDEL.

 

[Radical_3d]

Nice try, i would never trade my Sony LED for an OLED. My next Tv will be MicroLED or QDEL.

Oh… oh, I'm in Cakeboxer's team…

 

[JerryinSoCal]

I got a Samsung S95F QD OLED a couple of months ago and it's almost too bright at times and I have the brightness turned down a little, nobody should be scared that a newer OLED or QD OLED isn't bright enough.

 

[Zathalus]

Anytime a company puts out an attack ad like this it's obvious they feel threatened.

 

[Wolzard]

At the same time, LG announces new RGB Micro* LED TV

*fucking confusing, but is the same thing as RGB Mini LED, it is not Micro LED

Samsung and LG preview new Micro RGB TVs. OK, but what are Micro RGB TVs?

A new breed of TVs are coming.

sea.mashable.com

LG Display is a different entity than LG Electronics in the sense that they have different overall goals

LG Displays was sold to TCL last year.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/deals/lg-display-agrees-sale-chinese-lcd-plant-15-bln-2024-09-26/

 

[Bojji]

Longevity test at 3 years??
I have a monitor for the Amiga from the 80s that's still working. Philips CM8833-II

They had them on almost 24/7 - they simulated many more years of usage.

I like Vincent but it's obvious he was bough by tv companies long time ago, he acts like marketing guy now. He didn't even mention when LG changed coating (on B3 I think?) so that it was no longer black when there was light in the room (similar problems QD-OLEDs have).

This is a shitty TLC in one of the most bloom demanding demos:

And Bravia 9 is even better, and already a dated technology. The OLED era is over.

Show me some starlight content vs. OLED or Sony las vegas HDR demo.

Anytime a company puts out an attack ad like this it's obvious they feel threatened.

Maybe, but it seems that RGB LEDs are more hype than actual "leap". They may even be worse in some aspects than current higher end mini leds (color shifting on moving objects for example).

 

[dave_d]

CRT existed decades ago, but unfortunately CRT couldn't really scale up to screen sizes like we have today without weighing 300 lbs. and being half the size of the living room it was placed in

Umm, CRTs definitely had burn in.

 

[Radical_3d]

Show me some starlight content vs. OLED or Sony las vegas HDR demo.

I don't get to choose what Tocinillo uses as demos but you can see a comparison in the video below. He uses the S95C because you can ramp up the brightness to S95D levels maintaining the curve of expected colour valors once calibrated and you don't have to deal with the horrible no reflections filter that the D and F have. I have it further (2.100 nits at 5%) because it's an OLED, what's the worst it could happen?
Timestamped. Use subtitles for barbarian languages.



Edit: At 5:59 he catches a scene with raised blacks but I'll get that over the dimmed 100% window brightness of the OLEDs. They got a couple of good years with the QD-OLEDs but the nits race is past them.

 

[baphomet]

Spoiler: Dead pixels

 

[Goalus]

LG
While my Samsung Q90R that I bought six years ago has yet to have problem, people that bought LGs at the same time had to replace their TVs multiple times already.

 

[Russell]

They're definitely not wrong.

 

[Bojji]

I don't get to choose what Tocinillo uses as demos but you can see a comparison in the video below. He uses the S95C because you can ramp up the brightness to S95D levels maintaining the curve of expected colour valors once calibrated and you don't have to deal with the horrible no reflections filter that the D and F have. I have it further (2.100 nits at 5%) because it's an OLED, what's the worst it could happen?
Timestamped. Use subtitles for barbarian languages.



Edit: At 5:59 he catches a scene with raised blacks but I'll get that over the dimmed 100% window brightness of the OLEDs. They got a couple of good years with the QD-OLEDs but the nits race is past them.

Bravia 9 probably has the best algorithm when it comes to local dimming, but it comes with a high price (mainstream OLED is much cheaper). And it's not perfect of course:

Look at motion clarity here:

Killed "sparks" here:

Or details here:

Bravia 9 is a great tv but it does super heavy computing just to emulate natural characteristics of OLED. And you would still get worse pixel response time and viewing angles compared to cheap OLED...

 

[RCX]

These street beefs are getting way to fucking nerdy

 

[DeepEnigma]

These street beefs are getting way to fucking nerdy

 

[Radical_3d]

Bravia 9 probably has the best algorithm when it comes to local dimming, but it comes with a high price (mainstream OLED is much cheaper). And it's not perfect of course:

Look at motion clarity here:

Killed "sparks" here:

Or details here:

Bravia 9 is a great tv but it does super heavy computing just to emulate natural characteristics of OLED. And you would still get worse pixel response time and viewing angles compared to cheap OLED...

Motion resolution is one of the big deficiencies on flat TVs and I'd love it's get better in all technologies. And yes, mini LEDs are not there yet. But are already brighter and they're heading to major innovations as soon as next month. By the time I have to change my QD-OLED I doubt anything organic can match the specs of a pure synthetic display.

 

[Kuranghi]

LG Displays was sold to TCL last year.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/deals/lg-display-agrees-sale-chinese-lcd-plant-15-bln-2024-09-26/

Did you even read the article before you posted it?

LG Display sold their last LCD panel plant to TCL CSOT.

LGD still operates OLED panel plants in SK and China.

 

[RoboFu]

Not all the upcoming RGB mini leds are as shitty as the one in that pic. Sony's new one is supposedly very good.

 

[FalconPunch]

Spoiler: Dead pixels

That's rough. If that happened to my tv, I'd be pissed. I only buy the G series now as it has a 5 year warranty. LG would have to come change that immediately. What tv is it and what's the size?

 

[Mister Wolf]

Got burn in with an OLED before. Had another one fail on me. They are not durable tech. I'm not trying to baby a TV neither. I welcome the RGB Mini LED era.

 

[Putonahappyface]

I'm not at home to take pictures of my C3 with 2000 hours, but I gladly will when I get home.

From normal viewing distance most people wouldn't even notice it, but if you actually get up close and look it's extremely common. A quick Google search will show you plenty of people with the problem.

This is about how bad my C2 was, and now my C3 isn't far from it.

You made me check my LG OLED77G26LA and gave me a mini panic attack.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

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[Bojji]

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Marketing.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Marketing.

Is the other area LG fails.

 

[Kuranghi]

I like Vincent but it's obvious he was bough by tv companies long time ago, he acts like marketing guy now. He didn't even mention when LG changed coating (on B3 I think?) so that it was no longer black when there was light in the room (similar problems QD-OLEDs have).

Do you remember which models, because thats the first I'm hearing of this change.

I'm aware of QD-OLED panel's general ambient black level raise/purple cast issue and the downsides of both the matte and glossy panel coatings they apply to reduce reflections that cause strange visual artifacts like rainbow smearing.

I saw nothing about major changes in the way the LG B-series was coated for quite a long time now.

 

[Hudo]

I have a mini LED display. It's better for displaying text and code than a lot of LG OLED panels I tested before that...

 

[Bojji]

Do you remember which models, because thats the first I'm hearing of this change.

I'm aware of QD-OLED panel's general ambient black level raise/purple cast issue and the downsides of both the matte and glossy panel coatings they apply to reduce reflections that cause strange visual artifacts like rainbow smearing.

I saw nothing about major changes in the way the LG B-series was coated for quite a long time now.

It was for MLA panels in G3, I have no idea what happened with G4 (in G5 they removed MLA). Not much people were talking about it but I saw some comparisons ~2 years ago.