ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
I own 4 OLED displays, one of them for 4 years as a PC display and TV. Burn-in is hardly a problem.
Sony unveils next-gen RGB mini-LED TV Tech | "OLED Killer?"
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Killer8
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Many of them now do. I just picked up an MSI QD-OLED monitor and it has a whole suite of OLED care settings you'd find on a TV, like pixel refreshing, pixel shifting, and it detects static screens, logos and taskbars to automatically dim them.
People should get comfortable with the temporary nature of electronics anyway. This won't be the last monitor you buy so some faint signs of burn-in by the end of its natural life shouldn't kill you.
We're already at limits of film and productions with 4k and can't even render games at 4k without ML Upscaling, I think the move to 8K is still a long way off.
Puscifer
Member
I mean that's fine and all. But it's just weird to me that my KS8000 still looks amazing and I bought it Christmas 2016 and my OLED tv I bought early 2020 has started getting some image retention.
Hollowpoint5557
A Fucking Idiot
I still am stuck with the damn thing as I couldn't get Amazon to refund me on it. For just doing tv things such as sports, movies and Netflix its still a wonderful picture but when it comes to gaming I am pissed. I also have the 65" and at the time it was the exact same price as the LG 55" and I remember going back and forth over whether I should get the extra size or get the LG for the extra performance. Sonys lies about the tvs performance swayed me their way and I regret it every day that I game on it. I bought Sony TVs exclusively for 20 years and like I said, I'll never buy one again.Jesus Christ man, I still remember that Reddit mega thread with mods banning users left and right and the whole furore Sony created with its false promises, in fact, this would have been a prime example of a class action lawsuit since it was basically false advertising ffs and to this day I'm still wondering how Sony managed to exit the whole fiasco unscathed.
It was mid COVID (can't remember if it was the first or second year) and I, like many others, decided it was time for a new TV with all the next-gen, HDMI 2.1 goodies due to being imprisoned at home and sure enough, I went for the 65" version.
Now, I remember courier services being crippled by the heavy workload at that time which meant that I'd have my new TV 2 weeks from my order - and that was when the info on the internet started dropping about the halved vertical resolution at 120Hz amongst other things, needless to say, after 1 week+ of reading/combing the internet I decided that it wasn't worth the risk since everything thus far had showed that it was a hardware limitation and not a software one and sure enough, that proved to be the case since the TV is still gimped to this day.
Anyway, called the shop, cancelled my order and I must have had a 2 months long back and forth with them as to have my fucking money back...
What a stressful ball ache that was, i still remember it to this day although I don't know if that has to do more with the TV or the whole hellish COVID period, fuck man
It's a shame since the TV was (and still is) pretty good otherwise picture-quality wise but man, the fact that they tried to pass a (literally) gimped product as one of the "next gen ready" TVs still angers me, fucking Sony man...
And oh, as for the "experts"...SHILLS the lot of them, especially that Caleb guy from digital trends since he (obviously) purposefully forgot to mention its shortcomings in his "review" and he'd never comment on the hundreds of comments on YT regarding this very specific problem.
Never-ever trust "professionals", they're basically shills/used car salesmen that don't care about you or i , they're gonna get paid for their "reviews" and just like that they're gonna go for their next review of the latest and shiniest thing/product, fuck the lot of them.
Hollywood Hitman
Gold Member
I don't think those issues even exist anymore man, I mean you gotta leave it on for like months maybe but from what I have been seeing thats a thing of the past
Rocco Schiavone
Member
No thanks. Better implement raytracing or higher framerates than wasting it on 8k resolution.
Buhaj
Member
Guy from Digital Trends always struck me as a shill, he never mentions anything openly negative about a product no matter how shit it is. My go-to portals are Choose.tv, Flatpanels.hd, and sometimes HDTVTest on YT.
a multicultural team of v
Member
I have one of these bad boys too and other than the power button not working on the remote it's still trucking along looking good. Part of me wants to replace it, a larger part of me says why?
Higher refresh rates is where it needs to get to, to get clarity beyond a crt you need a refresh rate of 960Hz+ with the content to match that.
hinch7
Member
Unless you have a huge screen and/or sit really close its not really worth it. There's barely any content available in 8K. Games can barely run on at 8K at a decent standard and you'd be looking at something along the lines of a 5090 to be an acceptable experience. Something you shouldn't expect next generation consoles to complete with.
OLED's are so affordable these days and having that plus 120hz-165hz with HDMI 2.1 would be a monumental upgrade from any older LCD based TV. The HDR experience only really comes alive on displays with infinite contrast. The next jump in tech is mini-LED's for TV's, but that's still a long way away from becoming mainstream.
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James Sawyer Ford
Banned
Totally agree! Still looks gorgeous. Not an OLED, but it's bright and crisp. My remote buttons are also finicky. Have to remove and reinsert the batteries to get them to work sometimes
I'm not too much of a stickler for darks enough to upgrade at the moment.
Only thing that would get me to replace it is once 8K content becomes normal with all the other modern bells and whistles
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JerryinSoCal
Member
Disappointed that it's only coming in 75 and 85 inches, too big for my place.
Giallo Corsa
Gold Member
Buha, most of these so called experts are basically doing product advertising - that's it.
On the same subject, I was trying to buy a good headset/headphones for some time now and everyone's swearing by that Gadgetry tech guy , well, decided to watch some reviews and...it's the same fucking thing all over again, build quality this, sound quality that, Harman EQ my arse but, when it comes to the specifics of each product...they always (conveniently) leave those out, that, or they don't even bother testing shit, case in point, the Asus ROG delta 2, a 250 Eurodollars headset which received a glowing review by him (and many others ) and YET, no one mentioned its shitty compatibility with the PS5 (low output volume, presets not saving on the headset), otlr what about the Turtle beach stealth 700 Gen 3, another 200 Eurodollars headset which received good reviews but, once again, they - somehow - fail to mention its shortcomings like crackling audio on specific frequencies.
Again, ALL of these fuckers have found a convenient job making YouTube videos but, in the end, what they do in reality is basically product advertising.
Thank fuck for Amazon and its amazing return policy 'cause otherwise, I'd be 400 Eurodollars short now due to these "experts"/(literally) shills,
Internet forums/Reddit is where it's at, these videos/"reviews" only serve as entertainment and nothing more in the end.
Donald mac Ronald
Member
I thought micro led was the next thing not mink?
Bojji
Member
It's stuck at the moment. Tech is too complicated and manufacturing costs are astronomical for it to become mainstream anytime soon.
N1tr0sOx1d3
Given another chance
C9 here l, I too have burn in.
SmoothBrain
Member
It's always the same. It was the same with 4k and 1080p before it. Now, we can get solid 4k >60fps with upscaling tech.
People will claim it won't do much, but higher res means a clearer image and text, especially in the desk space. I'm sitting in front of a $600, 50" TLC miniLED TV. That shit smokes all the garbage PC monitors I had, from 32" Asus ArtPro to 49" Ultrawide.
This only made me realize that I need more vertical space. The recent 45" displays look interesting again, but not at $1500.
Bojji
Member
Jump from 1080p -> 4k was much more noticeable, 1080p was already too low for bigger tvs. Now 4k still looks good even up bigger screens.
8K IS THE FUTURE and it will be a new standard one day but it was introduced way too soon.
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Buggy Loop
Gold Member
Problem is pixel pitch with mini LEDs right in your face aren't that great
MicroOLED (not OLED, not the same tech at all) exists for VR optics and wipes the floor with everything.
Ashamam
Member
Lot of talk here about every TV EXCEPT the one in the thread title lol.
I suspect most people here had no idea how big a deal the Bravia 9 was with its dimmable (mini) zones, let alone doing it per colour with RGB backlighting. Each individiual backlight LED (edit: sorry said pixel before) has 256 levels of brightness (8 bit, derived from a 22 bit controller for the zone, the RGB gets the same per colour). Basically the end result is not remotely like a typical LED screen.
I suspect most people here had no idea how big a deal the Bravia 9 was with its dimmable (mini) zones, let alone doing it per colour with RGB backlighting. Each individiual backlight LED (edit: sorry said pixel before) has 256 levels of brightness (8 bit, derived from a 22 bit controller for the zone, the RGB gets the same per colour). Basically the end result is not remotely like a typical LED screen.
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PaintTinJr
Gold Member
The thing that most impresses me about the prototype TV is the factory process for calibration that Vincent talked about.
Them being able to add a transparency over some pixels in the prototype, send it back through calibration and the transparency being effectively invisible after recalibration because the calibration was able independently adjust the affected pixels' outputs to make them match the others in operation means that you could buy two different panels from Sony, place them next to one another and in theory get both panels to produce identical tones as one panel - if they can use that baseline info to synchronise. I guess they already do this in their professional UE5 video panel wall rooms like they used for the Mandalorian. etc.
That technology at domestic level would make things very interesting and shake up the market IMO.
Them being able to add a transparency over some pixels in the prototype, send it back through calibration and the transparency being effectively invisible after recalibration because the calibration was able independently adjust the affected pixels' outputs to make them match the others in operation means that you could buy two different panels from Sony, place them next to one another and in theory get both panels to produce identical tones as one panel - if they can use that baseline info to synchronise. I guess they already do this in their professional UE5 video panel wall rooms like they used for the Mandalorian. etc.
That technology at domestic level would make things very interesting and shake up the market IMO.
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
I would absolutely jump on the 85" version of this if it's as nice as advertised. Would be a nice upgrade from my 77" LG C2.
EverydayBeast
ChatGPT 0.001
I'm in the market for a new TV but all these panels have me damn confused. Any suggestions other than OLEDs? The reason I don't want an OLED is because of the burn in. It will drive me crazy. I'm a bit OCD when it comes to stuff like that.
So far I know there is:
Mini LED
QLED
Full Array LED
I'm looking at Sony and Samsung for my next TV purchase.
So far I know there is:
Mini LED
QLED
Full Array LED
I'm looking at Sony and Samsung for my next TV purchase.
Lagspike_exe
Member
Bojji
Member
OLED is the best but if it's out of the question then:
LCD with old ass lamps -> LED LCD (usually edge lit) -> full array LED LCD - full array LED LCD with local dimming (FALD) - mini LED FALD LCD (current top) - > RGB LED FALD LCD (future)
Quantum dot was introduced many years ago and you want it in general, it expands color gamut. So QLED with mini LED FALD LCD is what you want. Oh, and there is panel type: IPS, VA...
LCD tech is quite something... Generally latest mini leds are very good, you want as many dimming zones as possible for the best HDR experience, 120hz/4k/VRR as well.
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64gigabyteram
Reverse groomer.
If we need upscaling tech to hit 4k then clearly we aren't ready for 8k yet. Not until the upscaling solutions at least get better
Tams
Member
You both have pixel degradation though, and your whole panels are dimmer as a result.
Pretty much burn-in, but they did it equally to the whole panel so it takes longer to notice.
phant0m
Member
The biggest ghost tale that for someone GAF just loves repeating. Zero "burn" on my 6 year old C8, and certainly none on my Bravia 8
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
4 years. 12k hours. My c1 looks brand new.
Even of it burned out 6k hours ago, I would get a new one right away.
Mini led is just a make for zones backlight behind lcd panel. So most lcd drawbacks still exist.
Tiamat2san
Member
I bought a 65'' A95L last year, it's a masterpiece of Oled goodness.
I'll change in 4 or 5 years.
By this Time there will be new improvements in all technologies (Oled and mini-led, maybe some new stuffs)
I love tech battles.
I'll change in 4 or 5 years.
By this Time there will be new improvements in all technologies (Oled and mini-led, maybe some new stuffs)
I love tech battles.
Ashamam
Member
I have an A9G, bought in 2020, not sure on hours, but we only roll with the one TV in the house so I'd say it would be well north of 5K hours by now and in an off white full screen scenario there is minor evidence of burn in. Ran the once a year compensation cycle the other day but my expectation is this TV is not going to be a forever TV. Unlike the prior edgelit LED that got handed to the inlaws, thats as good as the day it was bought. Suffice to say I'm watching mini-LED with great interest as I'd prefer to head in that direction. Clearly Sony thinks its their path forward, expect features to filter down their range a bit next year. Once they have RGB the original version will be the midrange.
This is what I'm looking at from Samsung
85" Class Smart Neo QLED Mini LED 4K TV - QNX1D (2024) | Samsung US
Discover the latest art display TV features and innovations available in the 85" Class Neo QLED 4K QNX1D.
www.samsung.com
hinch7
Member
Yep. Its just LCD at the end of the day which comes with all its drawbacks.
You'd still have blooming, even with a more accurate backlight and pixel response and input lag will be way behind OLED's.
Unless you must have eye-searing brightness, OLED's are the way to go. Unless you have money to burn on a MicroLED display.
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Kerotan
Member
Tbh I'm glad LED is continuing to advance because it's a good technology.
rabbity-thing
Member
Burn in is definitely an issue if you use subtitles all the time. I learned this the hard way.
Ashamam
Member
In theory it will in the long run win on price. A lot of R&D costs to be offset before that happens, but panel for panel manufacturing costs are lower for MiniLED, at least thats the theory.
ValiantInstance
Member
All OLEDs die eventually because of the nature of their design. The new LG panels are so good that by the time it is an issue there will be a new model so much better that you'll want to upgrade anyway.
This is enthusiast level stuff. Anyone who does what we have will be spending a grand every 5 years to get the latest panel.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
So how cube I use my c1 as desktop monitor and ps5 monitor for 12k hours without any issue?
I even have tpc and gsr doing over time in static scenes disabled and logo dimming disabled.
Why? I use woled which got the fourth white pixel.
And you cannot see it. It's there to make or brighter and last longer. I don't use clear type or anything. There is just No fringing.
I do use some scaling because at 100% scaling the fonts are too small to read even at desk distance. But that's normal with 4k. But even at 100 is all fine.
Maybe woled looks worse on other panel sizes? On 48 c1 it looks just like any other 4k monitor but amazing oled and hdr.
This is 1000% the best screen I've ever had. No can get even close. I don't have any problems with it and would get one tomorrow if burn out happened today
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So just because it didn't happen to you after 4 years, it's propaganda? How dumb can some people be, man...
Ashamam
Member
No idea, seems unlikely with that use case you have no burn in. (I find the term annoying as its the opposite, burn out).
There are plenty of longevity tests out there that leave no doubt, it'll appear eventually, and I'd be surprised if you run various grey tests and don't see it. Its typical that you won't see light burn in on regular content and only on test screens.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
I did the tests with and without hdr. Nothing.
That's not uncommon for c1 users. I don't think I ever saw burn "out" report on reddit on oleds past and including c1.
Not saying it won't happen. It will of course.
Also - most of my desktop time, browsing, youtubing etc, I am using SDR with 60% oled pixel brightness. (so like 120 nits proper for sdr?)
All hdr is in hdr maxed out. I always play with DTM.
I don't use black wallpaper either. I have my screenshots set on 1 min rotation. So even if I browse in a window (because too big), whole screen gets usage
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The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
If it doesn't have burn in then it's worth almost any price