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Liberal Party of Canada endorses the legalization of marijuana

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Keyouta

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Didn't see anything on this.

Lock if old.

CTV said:
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Federal Liberals are taking some risky departures from the cautious political norm in a bid to put their once-mighty party back on the electoral map.

They overwhelmingly approved Sunday a resolution calling for the legalization and regulation of marijuana -- a position immediately endorsed in principle by interim leader Bob Rae, although it remains to be seen how, or if, the resolution translates into a platform plank for the next election.

"Let's face up to it, Canada, the war on drugs has been a complete bust," Rae declared in a closing speech to a three-day Liberal renewal convention.

Until now, Liberals have called only for decriminalization of marijuana, as has the NDP. The new call to legalize it completely and regulate its production and sale, much as is done with alcohol, is in stark contrast to the governing Conservatives, who've included stiffer penalties for marijuana possession in their omnibus tough-on-crime bill.

The legalized pot resolution came on the heels of another potentially risky gamble for the Liberals. After a heated debate late Saturday, delegates agreed to invite all liberal-minded Canadians to take part in choosing the party's next leader.

The party will create a new class of Liberal "supporters" -- anyone willing to register as believers in core Liberal values -- who will not have to pay a fee for a membership card to participate in leadership contests.

Wrapping up the convention, Rae heralded the two moves as a sign the chastened Liberal party is reaching out and renewing itself after last May's humiliating rout, when the party was reduced to a third-party rump with only 34 seats.

"We Liberals have clearly and emphatically said to the people of Canada: 'We embrace change and we embrace all Canadians as we rebuild this great national party."'

Delegates further embraced change by choosing Mike Crawley as their new party president. He beat out Sheila Copps, a veteran former cabinet minister -- whom some Liberals felt symbolized the past -- by a slim 26 votes.

Rae maintained the convention underscores the difference between the Liberals and the more ideologically driven Tories and NDP, whom he described as dogmatic adherents to rigid "orthodoxies."

"If you want to be part of a group of free-thinking, innovative, thoughtful, pragmatic, hopeful, positive, happy people, come and join the Liberal party," he exhorted, adding with a chuckle, "And after the resolution on marijuana today, it's going to be a group of even happier people in the Liberal party."

Rae told delegates it makes no sense "to send another generation of young people into prison" for marijuana offences when "the most addictive substances that are facing Canada today are alcohol and cigarettes."

While they were willing to take some risks, delegates balked at a resolution calling on Canada to consider cutting its ties to the monarchy, an idea that would open a constitutional can of worms.

Both the marijuana and monarchy resolutions were put forward by the party's youth wing, which argued that the Liberal party needs to advance bold ideas that are more reflective of young people if it is to revive.

"I think that there's a certain amount of generational change happening in the party," said Samuel Lavoie, president of the Liberal youth wing.

"We're willing to push the envelope and we have the numbers and we have the will power to flex our muscles when it's needed."

Lavoie acknowledged the Tories will doubtless pounce on the marijuana resolution to lambaste the Liberals as soft on drug crimes.

"I personally think we Liberals should stop worrying about what the Conservatives will think about our policy and approach," he said, noting that diehard Tories will never vote Liberal in any event.

"We're talking to Canadians. The fact is that this is a sensible policy, evidence-based policy that is very easy to defend ... There is cross-partisan support among non-Conservative voters for this so we feel this is something that will get us votes."

The marijuana resolution is not binding on the leader or the party. And delegates specifically rejected a proposal to remove the leader's veto over the contents of future election platforms, so there's no guarantee the party will ever actually campaign on the idea of legalizing pot.

Rae later said the resolution "reflects very much the spirit of the convention" and "it's now up to us to take that resolution and see exactly what it will mean in terms of policy, because there are some practical questions we have to look at."

With an overwhelming 77 per cent of delegates voting for legalization, Lavoie predicted: "I think it is really difficult for anyone to just ignore the result and the will of the membership."

Under Jean Chretien's government, the Liberals introduced legislation to make possession of small amounts of marijuana a ticketing, rather than criminal, offence. The bill was not pursued when Paul Martin took over the helm of the party and the Harper government has since dropped the idea entirely, moving in the opposite direction.

Martin Cauchon, the justice minister who introduced decriminalization, said Sunday he believes legalization is inevitable but that Canadians would be more comfortable with decriminalizing pot as a first step.

Delegates also supported reforming the country's electoral system, agreeing to promote the idea of preferential balloting in federal elections, rather than the current first-past-the-post system. Preferential ballots, in which voters rank candidates, would ensure that only those who receive more than 50 per cent of the vote in their ridings would be elected to the House of Commons.

If no one received over half of the votes right off the bat, the last place candidate in a riding would be eliminated, with his or her supporters' second choices then being tallied. The process would continue until one candidate emerged with more than 50 per cent.

They also endorsed a non-binding directive that all Liberal nomination contests be open, other than specified exceptions recommended by the leader and approved by the party's national executive. Currently, the leader has the unfettered power to appoint an unlimited number of candidates and to protect incumbents from nomination challenges.

Delegates balked, however, at adopting a U.S.-style primary system to elect future leaders. They rejected a proposal to introduce a system of staggered regional leadership votes.

Despite some evidence of lingering internal feuds, with the Copps-Crawley presidential fight seen by many as a proxy for the old Chretien-Martin wars, the mood of the convention was primarily optimistic and forward-looking. About 3,200 registered to attend, the largest turnout for a non-leadership Liberal convention since 1978.

Many delegates said they were longtime Liberal supporters who had never bothered to become active in the party until last May's election rout put its very survival in question.

"For those who thought it's too early after May, that Liberals would be sitting at home, still in the fetal position, crying ... look at this weekend," crowed Crawley.

Both he and Copps immediately took pains to put the presidential contest behind them. Rae said he looks forward to working with Copps and the other two presidential contenders in the rebuilding effort.

Speculation about Rae's future was a constant buzz in the background of the convention. When he took the post of interim leader last May, the party's national executive demanded -- and Rae promised -- not to seek the post permanently. However, the executive, with eight new members elected at the convention, could choose to remove the ban on Rae running for permanent leader and Rae has steadfastly refused to say whether he'd take the plunge.

At a joint news conference Sunday with Rae, Crawley said the 33-member executive will make decisions about leadership rules "over the next few months." He reiterated his view that the interim leader would have to step aside if a decision was made to run in the leadership contest slated for the spring of 2013.

"I accept completely what Michael just said," Rae added.

What do you think, Gaf?
 
I know who I am voting for next election...

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Kinitari

Black Canada Mafia
Federal liberal party needed to be shaken up - reading all of what you quoted was interesting, I didn't realize they took such extreme steps in trying to not suck as much.

It does sound like a gamble, and depending on who campaigns next, it might not come to anything - but with 77% support in party... well... those are hard numbers to ignore, and it's not like catering to the right does any good. Cater to your base, and you'll pull more to it.
 

whitehawk

Banned
Interesting move by the Liberals. For the Americans, the Liberal party used to be the powerhouse. They were on top until the conservatives won in 2006. Then this past election the 3rd party, NDP, who usually won a small portion of the vote, overtook the liberals and became the official opposition. The once powerful Liberals were crushed, going from 77 seats to 34 (out of 308). The Liberals are getting desperate, and want to win back the young vote that the NDP seems to have a grasp on.

And I approve of their new view on weed.
 
Not too familiar with the Canadian system but would it be possible for the NDP and the Liberal party to merge like the Conservative/Lib Dem coalition in the UK?
 

whitehawk

Banned
Not too familiar with the Canadian system but would it be possible for the NDP and the Liberal party to merge like the Conservative/Lib Dem coalition in the UK?
It's possible, but what's more likely to happen is the Liberal party to collapse and have the NDP and the Conservatives be the 2 main parties.
 

Brinbe

Member
Definitely a step in the right direction, for sure, but the Grits still need to select a capable leader to get anywhere... And as much as I'd bemoan a merger/coalition (since less choice is never a good thing) it does seem like the inevitable conclusion if a fractured left keeps handing the Tories victory after victory.
 

Tabris

Member
+ Not having to deal with a buddy who knows a drug dealer or having to deal with one directly.
+ Cheaper prices without drug dealer inflation (probably going to tax the hell out of it though but it'll still probably be cheaper)
- I'm not a huge fan of the odour unless I'm the one getting high, I'm afraid if it becomes legal to smoke pot at something like Starbucks, it's just going to be annoying smelling it all the time.
 

Kurdel

Banned
It's a trap to lure young people.

Pretty sneaky Liberal Party of Canada!

You won't trick me with sweet promises of Mary Jane lullabies.

Liberal Party attack plan:

1- Promise to legalize marijuana to attract young voters
2- Legalize marijuana
3- ????
4- Game is pretty much theirs. Knowing their reputation, they will probably sign a constitution without the presence of representatives of 25% of the population or impose a military draft after promising not to.
 
It's possible, but what's more likely to happen is the Liberal party to collapse and have the NDP and the Conservatives be the 2 main parties.
With the NDP kinda just "being there" for now and having such a drawn out race for the party lead, I'm not so sure the NDP love-in will last by next election.
 

Hey You

Member
If they promise that in the election they may get my vote, or it will go to the NDP.

I don't smoke weed, but I find it dumb that we are spending millions and filling prisons on it.
 

dudeworld

Member
+ Not having to deal with a buddy who knows a drug dealer or having to deal with one directly.
+ Cheaper prices without drug dealer inflation (probably going to tax the hell out of it though but it'll still probably be cheaper)
- I'm not a huge fan of the odour unless I'm the one getting high, I'm afraid if it becomes legal to smoke pot at something like Starbucks, it's just going to be annoying smelling it all the time.

smoking is pretty much banned in all public places. if marajuana were legal the same public smoking bans would apply. no big deal really
 

Kinitari

Black Canada Mafia
Nice of them to do this when there's no possible hope of it ever passing.

Well - they haven't done anything, and there aren't any bills really proposed right now - what's happening is the liberal party is restructuring and they've taken in more opinions from the general population and given them more say in the direction the party should head - immediately after doing so, the younger movement within the party suggested marijuanna legalisation, and breaking ties with the british monarchy - they seem too nervous to support the latter suggestion, but they seem fine with the first one - especially considering the sheer amount of support in favour of it.

Also - most polls show that country wide, marijuanna legalisation is supported by a small majority, and I feel like that number would probably be higher if people felt like there was any real chance of it passing.
 

Tabris

Member
I know what you meant and you can't smoke on restaurant patios.

Yeah I know restaurant patios. I'm just trying to think I ever saw someone smoking outside a Starbucks. I guess it's cause the Starbucks I always pass is the one at Tinseltown and there's always people smoking out there but I guess not right in their patio.
 

Takao

Banned
I don't smoke but there's so much worse things than pot that is legal that it might as well be legal. That way you can take out revenue from shady people and give it to less shady people.

But this:

"And after the resolution on marijuana today, it's going to be a group of even happier people in the Liberal party."

Bob Rae, don't say things like this if you want to win an election, lol.
 

big_z

Member
smoking is pretty much banned in all public places. if marajuana were legal the same public smoking bans would apply. no big deal really

That doesn't stop people from smoking up outside at work or driving high and so on. Marijuana needs to be regulated the same way alcohol is and there needs to be a reliable testing method before becoming legal.

Having tons of people running around high 24/7 because they legally can would be awful.
 
Not gonna happen. Except for a few very rare occurrences, every western country follows Americas orders when it comes to the drug war. And America wont want Canada to legalize marijuana. In the end every country is an America Jr., just look at how the politics and economic policies have swung to the right as your countries follow where America leads you. America wont want Canada to legalize pot, and no matter what any party says it is going to do, in the end they will do exactly what America tells them to do.
 

Duke Togo

Member
Not gonna happen. Except for a few very rare occurrences, every western country follows Americas orders when it comes to the drug war. And America wont want Canada to legalize marijuana. In the end every country is an America Jr., just look at how the politics and economic policies have swung to the right as your countries follow where America leads you. America wont want Canada to legalize pot, and no matter what any party says it is going to do, in the end they will do exactly what America tells them to do.
Tell me more. What will the weather be like tomorrow?
 
Doubt it ever actually gets into a Liberal party platform, the leader still has veto party and the executive isn't bound to resolutions passed at conventions

Depends who the next leader is I guess


But as a Liberal member, I don't see it happening
 

piddledy

Member
Not gonna happen. Except for a few very rare occurrences, every western country follows Americas orders when it comes to the drug war. And America wont want Canada to legalize marijuana. In the end every country is an America Jr., just look at how the politics and economic policies have swung to the right as your countries follow where America leads you. America wont want Canada to legalize pot, and no matter what any party says it is going to do, in the end they will do exactly what America tells them to do.

Well, if you look at incarceration rates, America is way ahead of every Western country. America's war on drugs has a lot to do with this fact.
 
Well, if you look at incarceration rates, America is way ahead of every Western country. America's war on drugs has a lot to do with this fact.

I dont disagree with you at all. But it's just the way the world works. And when it comes to something like this America has so many ways to make a country do what it wants. Having such strong pull with military contractors is a big one. Any countries ability to buy the military vehicles and supplies that they would prefer hinges on doing things thew way America wants them to.

As far as other countries politics and economic practices shifting to the right and following Americas lead, well nobody to blame but yourselves for that.
 

dudeworld

Member
That doesn't stop people from smoking up outside at work or driving high and so on. Marijuana needs to be regulated the same way alcohol is and there needs to be a reliable testing method before becoming legal.

Having tons of people running around high 24/7 because they legally can would be awful.

work places and schools have designated smoking zones outside.

and why wouldn't marajuana use be regulated? although, keep in mind that people still drive drunk every day even with alcohol regulations
 

Zzoram

Member
I'd rather marijuana be legal than alcohol. It's certainly less harmful to the users and those around them than alcohol.
 

Kyuur

Member
I'd rather marijuana be legal than alcohol. It's certainly less harmful to the users and those around them than alcohol.

And I'd rather alcohol, tobacco and marijuana all be illegal. Unfortunately, it's kind of hard to just delete an industry that's already there.
 

GoutPatrol

Forgotten in his cell
Definitely an interesting proposition. Sometimes I wonder if weed legalization/major decriminalization occurred, that the "war on drugs" opposition would dry up. I tend to think so.
 
Not if Harper has anything to say about it. He's trying to pass strict laws with minimum jail time.

Laws are meaningless without enforcement. And at least in Vancouver the police don't give a crap. I don't know anyone who's even been fined for it. They'll go for grow ops, but not individuals unless you're really being blatantly stupid about it.
 

Zzoram

Member
And I'd rather alcohol, tobacco and marijuana all be illegal. Unfortunately, it's kind of hard to just delete an industry that's already there.

Me too actually.

Tobacco being banned would be easy to enforce. Smokers smell terrible and leave their stench on all their belongings.
 
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