Yeah it's one or the other I think.
It will be a bit of a play on fate / destiny and all that
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Life Is Strange |OT| Rewinder Me
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Yeah it's one or the other I think.
This seems most likely. We'll probably save Chloe only to realize we have to let her die. And Max will probably permanently lose her powers by the end of the game, once she sets things "right." Which makes me wonder why she got her powers in the first place, but hey, Donnie Darko did it too I guess.
This should now be the standard review scale (lol at Alan wake and the lasut of us).
UnluckyKate
Member
The barn scene has the worst fucking gameplay ever. I'm raging over Max auto climbing down the plateforms and the fucking rewind mechanics being fucking shit I never remember it being so automated I cant stop it when I want and if you press L1 it goes ALL THE FUCKING WAY to the last check point and there is nothing you can do
ShadowOfTheIco
Banned
I truly, genuinely believe games should be reviewed on the feels given. There is no other metric
That's what I'm thinking, you could be on to something there, the two moons are definitely a significant point.
Literally the only thing I can think of is that the two moons mean two alternate universes have collided.
Maybe in one universe, the killer is Nathan. The other it's Mr Jefferson? They chose the path of Mr Jefferson being the killer by accident.
I'm still thinking that Mr Jefferson and Nathan are one and the same person, just alternate/older versions of each other, trapped in each other's universes and maybe that's what the two moons signifies? Two universes collided and when Max and Chloe couldn't find Nathan to kill him, the universe of Mr Jefferson as the killer prevailed?
One other point. Mr Jefferson is clearly waiting for them, hiding in the Junkyard, how did he beat them to it?
Literally the only thing I can think of is that the two moons mean two alternate universes have collided.
Maybe in one universe, the killer is Nathan. The other it's Mr Jefferson? They chose the path of Mr Jefferson being the killer by accident.
I'm still thinking that Mr Jefferson and Nathan are one and the same person, just alternate/older versions of each other, trapped in each other's universes and maybe that's what the two moons signifies? Two universes collided and when Max and Chloe couldn't find Nathan to kill him, the universe of Mr Jefferson as the killer prevailed?
One other point. Mr Jefferson is clearly waiting for them, hiding in the Junkyard, how did he beat them to it?
John Kowalski
Banned
holy shit, lol at the first choice
i don't even... jesus, i'm going out for a walk before deciding anything
i don't even... jesus, i'm going out for a walk before deciding anything
I'd agree with this as a quibble and it's something that I've thought about myself playing each episode. The amount of graffiti (harmful no less!) just wouldn't fly in a school such as Blackwell. The occasional rare desk carving, sure, but not every stall, tree, etc...
jediyoshi
Member
Animorphs. He's the owl at the barn and then the owl that flies past when you're walking through the junk yard. Hoot hoot!
Still the best insult of 2015.
They're milking that fuck your selfie line too much. It was funny the first time.
Max is pretty mousy so it makes sense.
Doesn't it only come back one more time after the first? I liked the callback.
Haven't played Ep. 4 yet, but don't recall it being used again outside a brief journal entry from Max jokingly agreeing it was a hilarious insult.
Go back and talk to Courtney after talking to the one handling the list. Max observes that Courtney should be the one there instead of the replacement as a hint.
The Dear Leader
Banned
I did it a different way,
I went around the other side of the pool and got through after pushing some stuff out of the way.
OceanicAir
Member
If you are on the list talk to Courtney, if you aren't I think there is a back entrance (not sure where saw it on stream.
Yeah, just did this before I read your post. Interesting there are several solutions.
Turn to the left of the desk you were at asking for entry, walk forward all the way to the bar, on your right is Courtney, who will now talk to you having been rejected by the girl at the desk - Courtney will get you in
Chloe gets better later, right? I'm an hour into episode 2 and she's kind of a bitch. She puts the blame on you when she's an idiot with pot AND gets pissed when you don't want to take the blame for something she did? Can't answer the PHONE when she's around cause then she'll apparently get into an argument with her mother (wait outside, goddamn it!), which is also your fault? Fuck you, Chloe.
I love the fact that I was in the ONE PERCENT that didn't take the blame for the pot though lol. I was hoping they'd show the player choice percentages at the end of the episode and I was not disappointed.
I'm also very interested in seeing if treating her one way or the other actually has a big effect on the plot. The choices concerning her are presented as pretty big ones, but they only seem to affect the immediate dialogue.. For now.
I love the fact that I was in the ONE PERCENT that didn't take the blame for the pot though lol. I was hoping they'd show the player choice percentages at the end of the episode and I was not disappointed.
I'm also very interested in seeing if treating her one way or the other actually has a big effect on the plot. The choices concerning her are presented as pretty big ones, but they only seem to affect the immediate dialogue.. For now.
cormack12
Gold Member
Wow, played through it all in one sitting. Immense.
Is Jefferson meant to be raping them, or just taking photos of young teenage girls in forced submissions? I don't think I can stomach that thought to be honest if it is (rape) :/ Thinking of little Max stuck there, so small and like helpless.
Chloe shot dead too :s I'd have to guess she's gone for good. Max can only remind so far right? It's possible now that Nathan is working for Jefferson - maybe he is working for Jefferson to protect Victoria's file having content?
It will be interesting to see how far dontnod go with this. I'm expecting a timeline reset at the end, but part of me is curious if they were to go balls out and leave a lasting impression. I got stuck on the frank dialog options for a while before getting it right, but I enjoyed the puzzle sections.
Chloe shot dead too :s I'd have to guess she's gone for good. Max can only remind so far right? It's possible now that Nathan is working for Jefferson - maybe he is working for Jefferson to protect Victoria's file having content?
It will be interesting to see how far dontnod go with this. I'm expecting a timeline reset at the end, but part of me is curious if they were to go balls out and leave a lasting impression. I got stuck on the frank dialog options for a while before getting it right, but I enjoyed the puzzle sections.
TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared
Member
Chloe is awesome as fuck leave her alone
your feelings towards her will change at the end of episode 3
Haha, I have to say, I've always been bothered by the graffiti thing in games. I always imagine things going to shit, people running for their lives, but then someone takes the time to write some environmental storytelling for the player that will explore it when the game comes out.
It's an attempt of organic storytelling that does the exact opposite to me. For the longest time though I thought I was in a huge minority that was bothered by this, and most people actually felt it was a natural way of storytelling, nice to know we're not that few.
One thing that felt natural to me (it's actually not very natural, but works perfectly in that setting) and helps to build the world and atmosphere they're going for is everyone knowing Rachel Amber, and knowing her in completely different ways, they absolutely nailed the Laura Palmer feel of Twin Peaks, where the further the investigation went, and the more we found out about her, the more distant we were from the generic "she was such a nice person, who would want to harm her?". I absolutely love it.
Actually, this is just one small detail among any, this game nails world building so well that it's even more weird that they felt they needed that stuff, they really didn't, it's stellar without it.
I should also say though, it didn't really bother me that much in Life is Strange. DmC though, that's some truly cringe worthy shit when Limbo reveals the "real intent" behind what seems to be harmless propaganda. Ugh.
Kinda? I mean, you'll probably warm up to her, but that bitchy side of her stays. But I like that the game is well aware of that, it's not asking you to think she's not being bitchy at all, Max constantly complains about Chloe's bitching in her journal too, saying how that's the one side of Chloe she can't stand, and it's a pain in the ass to deal with. I love it. She's flawed in a way that doesn't make her a charicature that you're supposed to dislike because of her flaws, right, that makes her interesting.
Even Nathan surprised me for having more to him than I expected, even if he's still 100% made to be unlikable. You're not supposed to like him, they'll never make you think he's just a poor little guy who's going through so much, nah, he's an asshole, but he's an interesting asshole.
About choices, they do affect things later on, definitely. And I also really like how
It's an attempt of organic storytelling that does the exact opposite to me. For the longest time though I thought I was in a huge minority that was bothered by this, and most people actually felt it was a natural way of storytelling, nice to know we're not that few.
One thing that felt natural to me (it's actually not very natural, but works perfectly in that setting) and helps to build the world and atmosphere they're going for is everyone knowing Rachel Amber, and knowing her in completely different ways, they absolutely nailed the Laura Palmer feel of Twin Peaks, where the further the investigation went, and the more we found out about her, the more distant we were from the generic "she was such a nice person, who would want to harm her?". I absolutely love it.
Actually, this is just one small detail among any, this game nails world building so well that it's even more weird that they felt they needed that stuff, they really didn't, it's stellar without it.
I should also say though, it didn't really bother me that much in Life is Strange. DmC though, that's some truly cringe worthy shit when Limbo reveals the "real intent" behind what seems to be harmless propaganda. Ugh.
Kinda? I mean, you'll probably warm up to her, but that bitchy side of her stays. But I like that the game is well aware of that, it's not asking you to think she's not being bitchy at all, Max constantly complains about Chloe's bitching in her journal too, saying how that's the one side of Chloe she can't stand, and it's a pain in the ass to deal with. I love it. She's flawed in a way that doesn't make her a charicature that you're supposed to dislike because of her flaws, right, that makes her interesting.
Even Nathan surprised me for having more to him than I expected, even if he's still 100% made to be unlikable. You're not supposed to like him, they'll never make you think he's just a poor little guy who's going through so much, nah, he's an asshole, but he's an interesting asshole.
About choices, they do affect things later on, definitely. And I also really like how
they do so not only in the automatic sense of it, like the game remembering your previous choice and reacting to it, but also making you remember what you did in order to choose wisely later on.
Looking forward to it! Hope you're right
edit:
Haven't been reading the journal so this is something that I definitely missed. "I'm not a fan of Chloe's petulant side. She tried to make me feel like an ass, but screw that." Hell yeah, you go girl!
I can tell she's not made to be hated though, sure, but I still dislike her personality. But as long as I can carry on not taking shit from her, and Max feels the same, it's all right. And maybe I will warm up to her, who knows.
DaanMuffin
Member
my reaction after finishing episode 4:
What??? how??? why??? I have to wait for 2 fucking months?
I pretty saw pretty much every twist coming (except for the wheelchair thing, but this? holy shit.
I need to go to bed, but don't think I can sleep
I didn't get that impression.
Jefferson is just a twisted artist and this is part of how far he would go to take more "advanced" photography, is definitely what I thought at the end. I'm not sure where hinting at rape comes from given everything that's been happening until now, but it's still a fucked up thing to do that isn't far off at all. I guess I could see it with some of the stuff Nathan was shown to have done, but also in his case I saw it more as someone who drugged them and watched the ensuing show, and now thinking his motivations are more in line with Jefferson's.
One thing that bugged me is that
Max went along with Chloe's plan to hunt down Nathan at the party so readily. She suggested going to the police once, then seemed to be totally on board with Chloe. We had evidence, if we had gone to the police we could have avoided all that shit even if Nathan wasn't the main guy we were looking for after all. Shit still might have gone sideways, but it would make a lot more sense. I'm used to Chloe being irresponsible, but it seemed out of character for Max.
Memento Mori
Member
I could see that first choice was coming
I feel drained.
as I was walking around the house reading all the medical bills and letters from the doctor saying Chloe's dying.
TheProdigal
Member
I was reading some guy's thoughts in this thread about the game saying how it made him cry. I was thinking to myself "man what a pussy", now im playing it and feel a liquid salty discharge from my eyes streaming down my face.
Holy shit. I just finished episode 4. These guys really know how to kick it up a notch each episode! But that ending... have they finally written themselves into a corner?
EDIT: Just to check, I didn't see a percentage for it so I'm guessing there's no way to
at the ending, right?
EDIT: Just to check, I didn't see a percentage for it so I'm guessing there's no way to
save Chloe
Ahahaha, perfect.
So important point about Episode 5 and the set up from Episode 4:
You leave Chloe's place to head to the barn thing - but she left her computer on with the location of the Barn & has left the board out with all the pieces of the puzzle. David will save Max... maybe. The camera lingered way too long on the computer so it clicked in my head that that was probably an important thing
God fucking damn it.
I put it in euro style
Palette Swap
Member
Okay, that was the best episode so far, like holy shit. The game tackles so many things and with just the right tone.
I missed two pictures though.
I missed two pictures though.
The Smoking Bun
Banned
Regardless of how it all ends and honestly the spectrum is anywhere from Disney to GRRM to dare I say Kafka, I have a personal head-cannon:
I don't care about the actual ending, I cannot take this, honestly. Games have matured man...
The final scene of Life Is Strange will be Max & Chloe sitting on that bench by the lighthouse enjoying the sunset on a Saturday evening.
I don't care about the actual ending, I cannot take this, honestly. Games have matured man...
Interesting theory I found on Tumblr:
Okay, so what if Warren had the same powers as Max?
Warren befriends Max pretty much immediately when she arrives at Blackwell Academy as if making it sure from the start that nothing happens to her. Also, Dana and Brooke point out that he follows her around and he always seems to know where Max is and bumps into her all the time. For example in ep. 2 Warren can be seen from Maxs window halfway behind a buildings corner waiting for Max since they meet on the exact spot when Max walks out of the dorm building.
In episode 1 on the parking lot Warren tells Max about his car being made in 1978 and Max says that hes in the wrong time to which he replies that so is she. In the end of the episode Max gets a message from Warren with him referring himself as Maxs white night with a pic of his black eye. Max answers that sheowes him one and Warren mentions about Maxs big secret which she hasnt told him yet.
In episode 2 while Max and Chloe are in the junkyard Warren texts Max that she can hit him up anytime if she has more questions about time travel as if hinting her to tell him about the powers. Warren also refers himself as her personal superhero and mention Chloe saving Maxs ass in ep. 1 seemed to make Max glad to see her appearing out of nowhere like a rockstar - which he does himself in ep. 4 in the boys dorms.
In episode 3 Warren helps Max to built a bomb and later on asks if she blew up with it, but doesnt really give any hints of the powers.
In episode 4 in the boys dorm scene he acts so differently, as if he knew what happens and has seen the result of Nathans actions - aka him shooting Max and Chloe. Before he rewinded to save them he heard gunshots outside his dorm room and then rushes there just to see Nathan with a gun and Max and Chloe laying on the ground, both dead. After he rewinds he even says Max, I got this confident about whats going to happen. Hes pissed off and doesnt react on Nathan having a gun - like he knew all along that Nathan was carrying it plus he isnt scared of it. Also he can predict Nathans movements and react to them instantly, kicking the gun off his hand without hesitation or surprise on his face and then beating him up furiously. So he might have rewinded again - and again, who knows. His shirt also changes during the scene along with Nathans face from blood stained to not blood stained - he rewinded and changed his possibly bloody shirt to another very similiar one to fool the others.
Before Max and Chloe enter the Vortex club party Warren appears and insist on taking a photo with Max - maybe to get back on that moment through the photo like Max did with Chloes dads photo. In that way he could save Max later on after he finds out who is behind all of it. He also says that it just might be the end of the world and One picture with you, thats all I need.
Warren befriends Max pretty much immediately when she arrives at Blackwell Academy as if making it sure from the start that nothing happens to her. Also, Dana and Brooke point out that he follows her around and he always seems to know where Max is and bumps into her all the time. For example in ep. 2 Warren can be seen from Maxs window halfway behind a buildings corner waiting for Max since they meet on the exact spot when Max walks out of the dorm building.
In episode 1 on the parking lot Warren tells Max about his car being made in 1978 and Max says that hes in the wrong time to which he replies that so is she. In the end of the episode Max gets a message from Warren with him referring himself as Maxs white night with a pic of his black eye. Max answers that sheowes him one and Warren mentions about Maxs big secret which she hasnt told him yet.
In episode 2 while Max and Chloe are in the junkyard Warren texts Max that she can hit him up anytime if she has more questions about time travel as if hinting her to tell him about the powers. Warren also refers himself as her personal superhero and mention Chloe saving Maxs ass in ep. 1 seemed to make Max glad to see her appearing out of nowhere like a rockstar - which he does himself in ep. 4 in the boys dorms.
In episode 3 Warren helps Max to built a bomb and later on asks if she blew up with it, but doesnt really give any hints of the powers.
In episode 4 in the boys dorm scene he acts so differently, as if he knew what happens and has seen the result of Nathans actions - aka him shooting Max and Chloe. Before he rewinded to save them he heard gunshots outside his dorm room and then rushes there just to see Nathan with a gun and Max and Chloe laying on the ground, both dead. After he rewinds he even says Max, I got this confident about whats going to happen. Hes pissed off and doesnt react on Nathan having a gun - like he knew all along that Nathan was carrying it plus he isnt scared of it. Also he can predict Nathans movements and react to them instantly, kicking the gun off his hand without hesitation or surprise on his face and then beating him up furiously. So he might have rewinded again - and again, who knows. His shirt also changes during the scene along with Nathans face from blood stained to not blood stained - he rewinded and changed his possibly bloody shirt to another very similiar one to fool the others.
Before Max and Chloe enter the Vortex club party Warren appears and insist on taking a photo with Max - maybe to get back on that moment through the photo like Max did with Chloes dads photo. In that way he could save Max later on after he finds out who is behind all of it. He also says that it just might be the end of the world and One picture with you, thats all I need.
That ending was kinda... weird.
Anyway, iirc you can save
I really didn't expect the photo club hottie to be a bad guy, I was legit shocked haha. Anyway, I'm 100% sure Chloe will be saved. Maybe Max will sacrifice herself instead or something, but that was just weird.
Kate from jumping, no? How does the game play if you did at this point? I guess she just killed herself another way because no way they're doing two story lines that different?
Keyser Soze
Member
Episode 3
plays out no different bar a few texts from her
has a unique 5 minute scene where you visit her in hospital if she is alive
AWizardDidIt
Member
Yes you can.
If you save her you'll get a few texts from her in ep3 and can visit her for a very heartwarming scene in ep4. It also changes a lot of the conversations you have with students around the campus. I don't think it makes much of a narrative difference in the story, but it actually changes quite a lot of the small details.