"Watch out the moon" in Mass Destruction gains a whole new meaning
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"Watch out the moon" in Mass Destruction gains a whole new meaning
By the end of episode 4 I think it's impossible to not have a gun, and even if you take it off him I'm sure he won't have much trouble getting another.
It just seems like a pretty traditional way to go when it comes to murder mysteries. The person who keeps popping up, but have yet to play a very substantial part in the main plot. You never feel overly uncomfortable around them, and in-fact can come off as potentially seductive to yourself or others, but you never have the clearest image of what their main business is. I mean you keep engaging with him, but you're never overtly led to distrust or be scared of him. You're meant to distrust Frank, you're meant to distrust David, you're meant to distrust Nathan. You're never given a reason to really distrust Jefferson beyond little hints that he may have been in a relationship with a student, and at most, that's hearsay.
That Dude John
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I need to read more, then. lol
Tribes of Trusty
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BABY BABY BABY YEEAAAAH
*epic sax solo*
What if Chloé wasn't supposed to be saved ? After all that is the first action Max does in the game, and maybe it's the universe's way to set right its course. I can't shake off the feeling that Chloé WILL be dead at the end of the game.
Also, does anybody feel that Jefferson might be a way too easy culprit to the wole game to have ? Personally I didn't suspect him because I felt it would be too obvious, but then again...
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If Chloe is supposed to be dead because she is destined to be dead, then why did the Universe even give her powers? Just let Nathan shoot her in the bathroom.
You'll obviously start from Rachel Amber's perspective.
It's weird that in the preview it sounds like Max is behind glass or something.
A few interesting observations from talking with a friend:
- In the morning of Ep. 3 when you're about to put on Rachel's clothes: The cellphone's background photo can be of either Rachel with Chloe or of Max. I'm guessing this has to do with your relationship at that moment with Chloe (we've seen how the dev flowcharts have +++, --, etc. for answers so I'm assuming she changes her background to Max if you get to a certain threshold.)
- The green pickup truck at school the night of the party has Nathan's license plate (SXFTNDR)
- There were no binders between Rachel and Kate so there probably was a long gap between those two shoots. Maybe after they (or just Jefferson) killed Rachel they figured they should lay low or something, but it seems many months had gone by. Maybe it plays into how Nathan tried to get Chloe drugged and into his room with his camera by himself.
Edit: And also, maybe Frank knows where the ranch is from when Nathan texts him to deliver drugs in a hurry and asks the address. But that's a stretch. Nathan probably called him to deliver it elsewhere close by the barn, not at the actual barn itself.
- In the morning of Ep. 3 when you're about to put on Rachel's clothes: The cellphone's background photo can be of either Rachel with Chloe or of Max. I'm guessing this has to do with your relationship at that moment with Chloe (we've seen how the dev flowcharts have +++, --, etc. for answers so I'm assuming she changes her background to Max if you get to a certain threshold.)
- The green pickup truck at school the night of the party has Nathan's license plate (SXFTNDR)
- There were no binders between Rachel and Kate so there probably was a long gap between those two shoots. Maybe after they (or just Jefferson) killed Rachel they figured they should lay low or something, but it seems many months had gone by. Maybe it plays into how Nathan tried to get Chloe drugged and into his room with his camera by himself.
Edit: And also, maybe Frank knows where the ranch is from when Nathan texts him to deliver drugs in a hurry and asks the address. But that's a stretch. Nathan probably called him to deliver it elsewhere close by the barn, not at the actual barn itself.
That Dude John
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Let's go deeper. Who you are at the start is dependent on how Max treated them through the story.
Or it's just Rachel. I'm down for that, too.
Right, so I have been giving this some thought and I think I have this game figured out.
To me it seems pretty clear that Max's powers are derived from the native american spirits as the game keeps on dropping bread crumbs, hinting about how Arcadia Bay has had a rich heritage in regards to the native tribes that once occupied the land. Furthermore there are repeated uses of animal symbolism that are consistent with the local Siletz and Tillamook personifications, such as a deer being genital/graceful, filled with determination; a perfect description of Max. I also think Rachel Amber had the same power, prior to Max. The game notes many similarities, such as how Rachel always seemed to know what to say and navigate her way around things. It is even hinted at that her and Max are very similar, both in terms of physical appearance, but also sharing the same spirit animal. What likely happened is that we know Jefferson is up to no good, and that the Prescotts have been raping and pillaging the land for several generations. The native american spirits through extension of Rachel Amber and Max are attempting to change the course of Arcadia Bay for the better. Because the spirits are dead they have no tether in the material world and need an anchor, that is why there are totems like the Tobanga, further more through people like Max and Rachel they can have a greater impact as both are more connected with the present Arcadia Bay and in theory reserving better judgment for when to use their powers and when to help. Going back to the deer symbolism, its attributes are calmness and patience; knowing when to haven empathy and step in. The spirits chose Rachel and Max for their personalities and ability to help as we know the side effects of are all sorts of disasters and freak phenomenon; the examples being the snowfall, double moons, and tornado, also physical trauma to the individual, like Max's nose bleeds. The indian spirits know the importance of limiting the use of said powers and that is why they chose two individuals with the attribubtes of a deer. Problem is though that humans are corruptible and Rachel eventually used her power to better herself and not for the selfless benefit of Arcadia Bay. That is why the Prescotts & Mr. Jefferson are building pan estates, so that when the storm comes they will be ready and can rebuild the town the way they want, that is why him and Nathan are doing this sick photography stuff to those girls is because when they rebuild, they need good breeding stock. But what they don't expect is Samuel, he talks about also being in touch with the spirits and especially the squirrels. He talks about feeding them and how they are always hungry for flesh. Samuel plans on summoning the storm to wipe out Arcadia Bay so that the Squirrel King and feast on all the corpses. But the worst part is that Warren is actually Hitler, who traveled into the future in order to romance hipster-art nerds like Max. Think about the similarietes, Hitler loved art and Warren has all these arts-y films on his flash drive. Furthermore the prescots mailed a letter in 1912, the same year Hitler joined the german army in WWI. The coincidences are just tooooo real. Max must travelback in time to kill Warren/Hitler. It makes sense.
To me it seems pretty clear that Max's powers are derived from the native american spirits as the game keeps on dropping bread crumbs, hinting about how Arcadia Bay has had a rich heritage in regards to the native tribes that once occupied the land. Furthermore there are repeated uses of animal symbolism that are consistent with the local Siletz and Tillamook personifications, such as a deer being genital/graceful, filled with determination; a perfect description of Max. I also think Rachel Amber had the same power, prior to Max. The game notes many similarities, such as how Rachel always seemed to know what to say and navigate her way around things. It is even hinted at that her and Max are very similar, both in terms of physical appearance, but also sharing the same spirit animal. What likely happened is that we know Jefferson is up to no good, and that the Prescotts have been raping and pillaging the land for several generations. The native american spirits through extension of Rachel Amber and Max are attempting to change the course of Arcadia Bay for the better. Because the spirits are dead they have no tether in the material world and need an anchor, that is why there are totems like the Tobanga, further more through people like Max and Rachel they can have a greater impact as both are more connected with the present Arcadia Bay and in theory reserving better judgment for when to use their powers and when to help. Going back to the deer symbolism, its attributes are calmness and patience; knowing when to haven empathy and step in. The spirits chose Rachel and Max for their personalities and ability to help as we know the side effects of are all sorts of disasters and freak phenomenon; the examples being the snowfall, double moons, and tornado, also physical trauma to the individual, like Max's nose bleeds. The indian spirits know the importance of limiting the use of said powers and that is why they chose two individuals with the attribubtes of a deer. Problem is though that humans are corruptible and Rachel eventually used her power to better herself and not for the selfless benefit of Arcadia Bay. That is why the Prescotts & Mr. Jefferson are building pan estates, so that when the storm comes they will be ready and can rebuild the town the way they want, that is why him and Nathan are doing this sick photography stuff to those girls is because when they rebuild, they need good breeding stock. But what they don't expect is Samuel, he talks about also being in touch with the spirits and especially the squirrels. He talks about feeding them and how they are always hungry for flesh. Samuel plans on summoning the storm to wipe out Arcadia Bay so that the Squirrel King and feast on all the corpses. But the worst part is that Warren is actually Hitler, who traveled into the future in order to romance hipster-art nerds like Max. Think about the similarietes, Hitler loved art and Warren has all these arts-y films on his flash drive. Furthermore the prescots mailed a letter in 1912, the same year Hitler joined the german army in WWI. The coincidences are just tooooo real. Max must travelback in time to kill Warren/Hitler. It makes sense.
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renegade_dewitt
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You had me with Rachel/Max<--->deer spirits and the Native American spirit theory. You lost me completely when you tried connecting Warren with Hitler and Max having to go back in time.
I don't know if you meant that conclusion as a sarcastic aside or you were being serious, but time and time again, the game has presented pretty realistic plot resolutions (esp with what happened with Rachel Amber - GAF thought for sure that Rachel Amber = Max from a different time line, etc). I am pretty sure there will be a logical and satisfying resolution to the plot that isn't too hyper-fantastical, being consistent with other aspects of this game.
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I think you can confront Frank without a gun.
shinjimimura
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I think it's a pretty safe bet that Warren=Hitler was him being serious
Yes, but did you have to make Chloe throw it away before talking to Frank? I did.
Not me. We didn't have a gun, straight up. Frank had taken Chloe's original one in a previous episode, and we didn't get any other gun (including the one you could take from Nathan), so we were completely gunless at that point.
After thinking about it, Nathan's truck might've been in the parking since the afternoon so it may not be indicative of whether he was at the party (or dorms/Blackwell in general) and it doesn't mean he didn't leave with his father. The only thing his truck being at the party does tell us (from what I can think of right now) is that if he went to the dark room by himself that day he came back alive.
Same here
Same here
Man, Chloe being shot at the end really made my decision to save her at the beginning of the episode feel like it meant nothing. Probably the first time I felt that way in this game.
Definitely the most confusing episode. The beginning of Episode 5 is going to be very interesting. Can't imagine you playing through Max's point of view.
Definitely the most confusing episode. The beginning of Episode 5 is going to be very interesting. Can't imagine you playing through Max's point of view.
Yep, this is my play through went.
Why wouldn't you play through Max's PoV?
Blood Diamonds
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I hope we start from Alyssa's PoV
The game seems to imply that Max is nearly identical to Rachel, despite the fact Rachel seemed like super cool and out of everyone's league while Max is just dorky old Max, but Nathan straight up thinking Rachel was approaching him in the Diner when Max is wearing her clothes is a rather large hint in my opinion.
However, we see Rachel's face everywhere, EVERYWHERE, the idea that Rachel = Max sounds amazing up until you wonder why no one ever brings up them having the same face or anything, especially Chloe who was really close to her, Max's voice and face should have been really obvious in that scenario.
Chloe also immediately recognizes Max when they first meet in Episode 1 in the car park, add to that Chloe mentioned Rachel's parents at one point, and the entire theory very quickly falls apart.
But yet I can't shake the feeling they're one and the same, or the "same" in another context.
I do believe though that Rachel was talking about Max when she told Chloe she met someone life changing before she vanished.
However, we see Rachel's face everywhere, EVERYWHERE, the idea that Rachel = Max sounds amazing up until you wonder why no one ever brings up them having the same face or anything, especially Chloe who was really close to her, Max's voice and face should have been really obvious in that scenario.
Chloe also immediately recognizes Max when they first meet in Episode 1 in the car park, add to that Chloe mentioned Rachel's parents at one point, and the entire theory very quickly falls apart.
But yet I can't shake the feeling they're one and the same, or the "same" in another context.
I do believe though that Rachel was talking about Max when she told Chloe she met someone life changing before she vanished.
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I'm curious? What would you guys consider a disappointing ending?
she's hit in the face by a baseball and blacks out
TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared
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I don't see why the episode wouldn't start with Max, even if she was tied up/about to be murdered or some shit. I don't think we'll see it from anyones else POV this season anyway.
NumberThree
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Surely leaving the timeline like ten seconds later should make you feel that. It literally makes the decision mean nothing.
But before that you still stopped and thought about the consequences of that choice in the moment, which is the point, it was an emotional moment Max had to go through, it means nothing to the original timeline, but you and her still went through that experience.
You know, that's one thing that has bugged me. Unless if Max has the ability to physically alter her appearance, she doesn't even remotely resemble Rachel. I mean, I can be on board for just about any crazy theory for this game, given what has transpired from the past 4 episodes, but I just can't believe Max=Rachel. It's impossible.
Man, this would be awesome, I haven't heard of this idea before
Tribes of Trusty
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I'm more enclined to believe that time travelers such as Max and maybe Rachel give off a very special aura to others, due to their attitude (they're basically Mary Sues of interpersonnal relationships due to the nature of their time travel shenanigans) and their powers.
I reckon she was talking about Jefferson. He definitely has a way of inspiring people like that. If it was Jefferson it would explain why she ended up being one of his victims.
Basically any variation of Max=Rachel. Don't give me that shit, Dontnod.
Even though almost everything points to this being just a crazy theory from earlier in the series, the story goes to unexpected places with every new episode, so I can't completely write it out just yet.
Daria Morgendorffer
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Please don't give me any Max is Rachel shit, or Max is dead.
I vote Alyssa gets hit by like 10 projectiles at once and you can't stop it. Would be hilarious.
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Deleted member 80556
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Lmao, imagine if doing good things actually gave the player a bad outcome.
That'd be funny and frustrating.
That'd be funny and frustrating.
Nathan sees Max as Rachel because he's a whacked out druggie that is feeling guilty over his complicity in her death, and the clothes are enough, along with them both being young white women with brown hair. Not at all uncommon for this type of character to see their victim everywhere they go in similar stories.
They're also the same clothes size, according to Chloe, who somehow figured this nugget out, and kept her clothes for 6 months (Not creepy at all). There's also a lot of hints/talk about Max not really existing in the universe. It's like...if she disappeared, would anyone really notice she's gone? She has no style, doesn't talk to anyone, etc. She's nobody.
I sorta think that Jefferson is continuously drugging Max so she can't use her rewind powers, though that'd mean he would have to know about her having powers, which brings up a ton of questions.
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nomorenick
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Holy shit. I'm dead.
:lol
Not the case in my playthrough though.
John Kowalski
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Everyone alive and the bad guy dead.
That no matter what you did there's only one possible ending and it's one where either Max or Chloe has to die. They keep saying choices can affect the past, present and future. They've been true to that so far but it all needs to come together at the end. I want to be able to get an ending that depends on what I chose. I want a relatively good ending to be possible, not just sad ones.
I want the major choices that have an effect on my situation with:
Chloe (side with her, take the blame, kiss Chloe, take the money)
Nathan (him being suspended, letting Warren beat him up, etc.)
David (him being in a motel or not, him having his job or not, etc.)
To come up in Ep. 5 as so far all those major choices relating to those three haven't been important in the way those relating to Kate and Frank have been.
Tribes of Trusty
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Be an ass to get ahead of the curve, just like IRL !
No! I like my happy endings
I wouldn't be surprised of this development should it happen for real in the game
I can't listen to Mountains (Message To Bears) without being sad anymore
I don't see why it can't happen as one of four, five main possibilities (with variations reflecting relationships built and minor choices) or something and it being pretty tough to achieve. If you make the right choices, you should be able to get things in a pretty good situation, unless they decide to go the Chloe's gotta die route but I don't want die. Maybe there will be an ending where she dies, another where Max dies, another where everyone dies and the town is destroyed, another where David sacrifices himself or something, another where the culprits get away with it, I don't know there's many possibilities for bad parts to the ending but I want one to be happy. Maybe 98% of the players don't achieve it on the first run, that's fine. I just want it to be possible.