Vanillalite
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I only did it one weekend. Before that I was on the same distro for quiet a while.
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I only did it one weekend. Before that I was on the same distro for quiet a while.
Vanillalite
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You'll get tired of Crunchbang.... trust me.
Any particular reason or just because you think I'll switch cause I always do?
I ran #CB for about a month. What I got tired of (ironically) was trying to find via RTFM'ing weird issues I had with my hardware. Granted I was trying to do more than the average bear but I just couldn't take it.
Now... I'm boring and i'm using CentOS for all my server and desktop needs.
ThatObviousUser
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Lol you post about using a new distro every week.
Hey everyone, I am gearing up for my first big distro install. My dad just bought a new computer and I want to make Linux the main OS but still have Windows 8 on it so my sis can play Sims.
If I make a partition that Linux is installed onto, and say I dont want it anymore, can I uninstall Linux and reclaim that HDD space for windows? Thanks.
If I make a partition that Linux is installed onto, and say I dont want it anymore, can I uninstall Linux and reclaim that HDD space for windows? Thanks.
You can.
Vanillalite
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Whatever. Until my frick'n fubar moment I had in the terminal I had been exclusively running Elementary OS since Beta 1 hit. That's far from distro hoping every week.
On a side note anyone have any recommendations for a good music client? Crunchbang doesn't come with one preinstalled other than just a base media file player (VLC). Also since nothing's built in I'm willing to go out of the box and try whatever verses just using banshee or Rhythmbox because they are preinstalled.
I just use clementine. It's alright, I guess.
Vanillalite
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Such a ringing endorsement! j/k
Seriously thanks for replying though!
My friends call me Ben Stein. I don't know why. My voice is ringing with excitement.
This is a lie, though, lol.
Vanillalite
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Wish I knew enough to make a Linux desktop app for App.Net since I just got invited.
If you don't need library features you can try Deadbeef. It's like foobar2000 light for Linux.
Vanillalite
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Funny you mention that as I ended up randomly picking that to try out after so googling.
Is it possible for Deadbeef to display album art???
Q
qizah
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I'm using audacious. It's essentially winamp, but it's light and easy to use.
Yes. I think you have to add Album Art as a new column and group the playlist by albums. Maybe you must also define the search paths for covers in settings.
Ubuntu 12.10 is pretty much unusable.
My conclusion is that Cannonical barely does any testing, compiz is a sack of garbage, and driver support is spotty all around.
Is it always this bad?
- The 'Displays' options dialog barely works. Half the time it's impossible to select my second monitor.
- compiz sucks with the NVIDIA driver.
- They forgot some dependencies for the NVIDIA proprietary driver. If you install it, you won't be able to boot to the desktop.
- The Nouveau driver fails to come back from sleep.
My conclusion is that Cannonical barely does any testing, compiz is a sack of garbage, and driver support is spotty all around.
Is it always this bad?
Yes, pretty much.
I really like the style of Ubuntu, though.
I love how beautiful it is.
I love the global search. It even includes the active program's menus!
I love that it has a vertical taskbar on the left side by default. It's perfect for me.
I like apt-get and *.deb
I like using the main target Linux distro for software like Qt, and Steam.
But I wish I could get proper 3D acceleration...
...maybe I should just go back to Nouveau and disable sleep.
Would switching distros help?
I love how beautiful it is.
I love the global search. It even includes the active program's menus!
I love that it has a vertical taskbar on the left side by default. It's perfect for me.
I like apt-get and *.deb
I like using the main target Linux distro for software like Qt, and Steam.
But I wish I could get proper 3D acceleration...
...maybe I should just go back to Nouveau and disable sleep.
Would switching distros help?
Beautifully Shaped Monsters
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Linux Mint (Cinnamon or Mate depending on how flashy you want your desktop to be) and use this very simple guide to get the latest nvidia drivers: http://www.noobslab.com/2012/10/install-latest-nvidia-drivers-in-ubuntu.html
I use this myself, and steam runs like a dream. I also played around with Dolphin yesterday and that too is awesome.
It's Ubuntu based, so most of the positive stuff from Ubuntu works, (bar the software center).
Of course, if you really like Unity, you'll miss out.
ThatObviousUser
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Install Gnome Shell if you like good things and not bad things.
Another positive of Cinnamon that it's extremely configurable.
That can't be said of gnome shell.
I would say Gnome Shell is better written, has better extension support, is more consistently designed. It's really a matter of preference.
Automatisch
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Me too. I've tried many times to use every other major distro for my desktop, and ultimately I always go back to RHEL-based stuff because it just works so well. I never really have flakey hardware issues or random breaks that I've had happen with fresh Ubuntu installations.
That said, I still try out Ubuntu dailies for fun and I have to say Raring already feels like a better release than 12.10 and it's not even out yet. I'm more interested in what they're doing on the mobile front than their desktop OS, but I can see myself always giving every major Ubuntu release a shot until it finally displaces my love of RHEL.
ThatObviousUser
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Like I said, if you like good things you'll like Gnome Shell.
Treechopper
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Slavik81 said:
Is that why my laptop won't connect to the internet after waking from sleep? My goodness, that is incredibly annoying.
I really want to try out another Linux distro but I had an incredibly difficult time learning how to make Linux work on a Windows 8 laptop. Is the transition easier if you've already put Linux on it?
ComputerMKII
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I don't understand the praise for Gnome Shell. Gnome Shell makes no sense.
ThatObviousUser
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It's nearly perfect, that's probably where the praise is coming from.
I doubt it. That's the video card driver. It doesn't have much to do with Internet connectivity.
Though, now that I'm playing with it more, I think my monitor is shutting off because the graphics driver crashed, not because my computer is sleeping.
Treechopper
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Ah, OK. That's what I get for making assumptions.
Would anybody happen to know why I can't connect to the internet after waking up my laptop though?
hey people, Im new to linux and I made my first live-usb-disk with ubuntu12.04 on it. Now I have questions.
How do I go into persistent mode ?
How do I save the changes on persistent mode ?
Does it save on its own or do I have to do something ?
And last, how do I make persistent mode the default option ?
How do I go into persistent mode ?
How do I save the changes on persistent mode ?
Does it save on its own or do I have to do something ?
And last, how do I make persistent mode the default option ?
Yeah, it's definitely just a matter of opinion/preference/needs.
Ok.
Vanillalite
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On a side note I had a LOL run around with adb. I didn't realize adb had updated to a newer version that you must have if you have 4.2.2 roms. So I couldn't get it to work and started down this path of trying to fix it through all of these other means by installing other random files and stuff. I initially thought it might have been a 64 bit conflict needing 32bit libs. Basically I went down this long rabbit hole, and still wasn't getting anywhere all because I couldn't find a simple linux zip with the newer adb and fastboot.
Finally I just downloaded the latest android sdk bundle which took like 5 mins, and I was done within 10. I didn't do that to begin with because I thought it would take to long and then once I started down the rabbit hole I was like determined to get it to work that way.
Stupid me. Should have just downloaded the latest sdk and been done with it. Oh wells adb works again and I finally go around to using the newerish found exploit for my android device to get it s-off. Should save me from having to manually flash the boot.img each time I update which will be hella nice.
Finally I just downloaded the latest android sdk bundle which took like 5 mins, and I was done within 10. I didn't do that to begin with because I thought it would take to long and then once I started down the rabbit hole I was like determined to get it to work that way.
Stupid me. Should have just downloaded the latest sdk and been done with it. Oh wells adb works again and I finally go around to using the newerish found exploit for my android device to get it s-off. Should save me from having to manually flash the boot.img each time I update which will be hella nice.
Vanillalite
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So I know we've had other threads, but since we are rather different I figured I'd reask here.
What are you most used/favorite/goto programs? I ask this because obviously we all use some different things since we aren't on Win or OSX.
What are you most used/favorite/goto programs? I ask this because obviously we all use some different things since we aren't on Win or OSX.
ThatObviousUser
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Chrome
Sublime Text 2
Gimp
Steam
That's about it. And all of them are cross platform between all three OS's.
Sublime Text 2
Gimp
Steam
That's about it.
And all of them are cross platform between all three OS's.Looks like my involuntary vacation is over...
Most of the applications I use on a day-to-day basis are cross-platform. Things like Chrome, Transmission, calibre, VLC, LibreOffice, The GIMP and even EasyTAG are all on Windows. The biggest advantage for me is all the little command line applications and scripts that exist on Linux. For example the other day I wanted to remove all the duplicate files on my hard drive. Google for a bit, find an application called fdupes and with a quick apt-get it's sorted.
ThatObviousUser
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Yeah, I have a script that deletes every other file. Super handy when making GIFs.
Vanillalite
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You were on vacation?
Yeah I guess a lot of stuff I use is multiplatform as well even though somethings are more like off shoot ports to windows. Most of them all have open source and unix/linux roots though.
ComputerMKII
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http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTMxNzIUbuntu Announces Mir, A X.Org/Wayland Replacement
Canonical has lift the lid on Mir, it's name for the display server they are designing in-house. Mir will replace the X.Org Server on Ubuntu and it's not based upon Wayland or any other existing display server project.
One month ago there was talk of Ubuntu rolling its own display server not based upon Wayland or X.Org/X11. That's now been confirmed with the surfacing of the Mir specification on the Ubuntu Wiki. "We are developing a next generation display server known as Mir. A system-level component targeted as a replacement for the X window server system to unlock next-generation user experiences for devices ranging from Linux desktop to mobile devices powered by Ubuntu. This document outlines the motivation for the project, describes the high level design, summarizes the scope, and provides the roadmap of the Mir display server."
Here's the quick summary for those not wanting (or caring) about all the details:
- Mir is a new display server being developed at Canonical and it is not based on X.Org or Wayland.
- Android graphics drivers will be supported. Existing DRM/KMS/Mesa/GBM (the open-source Linux graphics drivers) will work. Canonical is pressuring the binary blob vendors to make their drivers compatible.
- There will be support for legacy X11 applications through an integrated root-less X.Org Server.
- Canonical will natively support the GTK3 and Qt/QML tool-kits with Mir.
- Mir will be used for all form factors from Ubuntu Phones to the Ubuntu Linux desktop.
- Mir should be ready for Ubuntu Phone OS by this October while it should come to other form factors (and the desktop) in one year's time.
The specification says the limitations Canonical has with X is that it shares lots of system state across process boundaries, the X input model is complex, the compositor hierarchy ends on the session level, and the X graphics driver model lacks focus.
With Canonical's Mir, they are seeking a well-defined driver model based largely around Google's Android where it's tailored towards EGL/GL (namely OpenGL ES), there's minimal assumptions about the underlying driver model, the ability to leverage existing drivers implementing the Android driver model, and the ability to leverage existing hardware compositors. "In summary, we want to provide a graphics stack that works across different platforms and driver models by limiting our assumptions to a bare minimum."
As for why not using Wayland/Weston, the reasons expressed are the input event handling partly recreates the X semantics, the shell integration parts of the protocol are considered prvileged.
The slated objectives of Mir is well-defined functionality, efficiency, test-driven, versatile & flexible, security, and toolkit integration and legacy X application support.
Canonical developers will make to see that applications relying upon Qt/QML, GTK3, XUL, etc will be able to use Mir in an "out of the box" manner. The legacy X support will come from an in-session root-less X Server.
In terms of code, on Launchpad they have the initial Mir server and client libraries, Qt bindings to Mir, a Unity system compositor for Mir, and a early Unity shell implementation using Mir. Here's some of their architecture drawings:
[Ubuntu Announces Mir, A X.Org/Wayland Replacement] [Ubuntu Announces Mir, A X.Org/Wayland Replacement]
Aside from supporting Android graphics drivers, Mir right now will support free software graphics drivers built upon Mesa and DRM with GBM and KMS support. Canonical is said to be in talks with the closed-source vendors (namely NVIDIA and AMD) about supporting Mir and a unified EGL-centric driver model.
By October they hope Mir with "Unity Next" will be ready to be supported on Ubuntu Phone. By April of next year they already hope to have "Complete convergence across the form factors is achieved, with Mir serving as the carrier across form factors, powering a seamless transition between different use-cases and devices."
This time-line and the ambition of having their own display server not derived from X.Org or Wayland is rather surprising, especially with the expedited time-frame on delivering. Canonical doesn't have many experienced low-level graphics stack developers in-house (their X.Org/Mesa team is very small and hasn't done much upstream engagement) and even Wayland/Weston's development having gone on for so long with many developers, many of whom are X.Org/DRI/DRM veterans, is still going rather slowly.
We'll see how Mir for Ubuntu turns out... And whether it gets adopted by anyone else in the Linux world.
If I trusted Canonical to do a good job, I might actually be happy that there's a little competition. But, almost everything I've seen about Wayland has been great. And as you may have noticed in my recent posts, I don't hold Cannonical in high regard for this sort of work.
They just had the Wayland 1.0 release. They're still working hard on getting all the features needed for widespread deployment, but they wanted the initial release as a promise of a stable API going forward. I'm not sure how much scope there is to change it right now.
They just had the Wayland 1.0 release. They're still working hard on getting all the features needed for widespread deployment, but they wanted the initial release as a promise of a stable API going forward. I'm not sure how much scope there is to change it right now.
ThatObviousUser
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I don't know what Canonical's doing but I'm scared.
ThatObviousUser
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They should announce Unity Gnome, except without the Unity part.