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TheNatural
My Member!
Do you do any major gaming on Linux?
I've been using Linux on my laptop with an HD 4000 card, and it seems to run basically all available games on Linux pretty well. Which isn't a ton obviously, but there doesn't even seem to be any games out right now that would require more than decent integrated graphics.
ThatObviousUser
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I play some games yes, now that Steam's available. I believe my laptop has HD4000 too and it's ran everything I've thrown at it so far (which to be fair are mostly indie games like World of Goo and older games like Half-Life.)
Oracle Dragon
Member
Gnome 3 lovers - what do I need to do to make this UI fast and responsive? I've finally given it a go and I'm actually really liking it, but boy, does it feel so sluggish! Even just opening new windows, dragging them around, pressing the window key to go back to the menues and view of the workspaces... my PC responds instantly to these requests but when it trys to draw or animate it just feels so choppy 
Is it just a total hardware hog, or does it run like that even on the newest stuff around? My PC is far removed from cutting edge but it's not a total antique (just mostly)... 2.1Ghz triple core AMD, 8GB of ram and AMD HD 3200 w/ 8.6.94 driver version. (WARNING: I'm a total linux newb! Possibly this issue is due to my own ineptitude). I don't have any illusions of running games or anything, but I would have thought my PC was good enough the UI should feel responsive.
Is it just a total hardware hog, or does it run like that even on the newest stuff around? My PC is far removed from cutting edge but it's not a total antique (just mostly)... 2.1Ghz triple core AMD, 8GB of ram and AMD HD 3200 w/ 8.6.94 driver version. (WARNING: I'm a total linux newb! Possibly this issue is due to my own ineptitude). I don't have any illusions of running games or anything, but I would have thought my PC was good enough the UI should feel responsive.
ComputerMKII
Banned
I've used a Mac before (2006 MacBook Pro, great machine until it died) so don't worry.If you find Gnome Shell an unintuitive piece of shit you will most definitely hate Mac OS X, since Gnome is like a better and improved version of that.
It seems like you want some stability in your Linux experience. My advice? Stop messing with these no-name distributions. Compiz is crap. Get something a little less bleeding edge like Debian wheezy and stick to its defaults.
Intel contributes directly to the open source graphics stack - if you're running a Linux distribution on an Intel system you're using their drivers.
ComputerMKII
Banned
Nope, I have an AMD Radeon HD 7850.
ThatObviousUser
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Gnome 3 lovers - what do I need to do to make this UI fast and responsive? I've finally given it a go and I'm actually really liking it, but boy, does it feel so sluggish! Even just opening new windows, dragging them around, pressing the window key to go back to the menues and view of the workspaces... my PC responds instantly to these requests but when it trys to draw or animate it just feels so choppy
Is it just a total hardware hog, or does it run like that even on the newest stuff around? My PC is far removed from cutting edge but it's not a total antique (just mostly)... 2.1Ghz triple core AMD, 8GB of ram and AMD HD 3200 w/ 8.6.94 driver version. (WARNING: I'm a total linux newb! Possibly this issue is due to my own ineptitude). I don't have any illusions of running games or anything, but I would have thought my PC was good enough the UI should feel responsive.
Hmm I'm not sure, maybe it's using software rendering? It's always been super zippy for me.
What are you comparing it to?
TheNatural
My Member!
Gnome 3 lovers - what do I need to do to make this UI fast and responsive? I've finally given it a go and I'm actually really liking it, but boy, does it feel so sluggish! Even just opening new windows, dragging them around, pressing the window key to go back to the menues and view of the workspaces... my PC responds instantly to these requests but when it trys to draw or animate it just feels so choppy
Is it just a total hardware hog, or does it run like that even on the newest stuff around? My PC is far removed from cutting edge but it's not a total antique (just mostly)... 2.1Ghz triple core AMD, 8GB of ram and AMD HD 3200 w/ 8.6.94 driver version. (WARNING: I'm a total linux newb! Possibly this issue is due to my own ineptitude). I don't have any illusions of running games or anything, but I would have thought my PC was good enough the UI should feel responsive.
Bad driver support possibly. Probably a year plus or so I had a computer I built with one of those cheap Radeon cards for basically a HTPC, and netbook intensive games that ran fine on Windows were even stutery with the Catalyst drivers in Ubuntu.
ThatObviousUser
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Unity, forget which version. And Aera/Windows 7.
Ah, no wonder!
EDIT: But yea, my experience with Gnome 3 isn't nearly as bad as Oracle Dragon's. Sounds like a driver issue.
Gnome 3 lovers - what do I need to do to make this UI fast and responsive? I've finally given it a go and I'm actually really liking it, but boy, does it feel so sluggish! Even just opening new windows, dragging them around, pressing the window key to go back to the menues and view of the workspaces... my PC responds instantly to these requests but when it trys to draw or animate it just feels so choppy
Is it just a total hardware hog, or does it run like that even on the newest stuff around? My PC is far removed from cutting edge but it's not a total antique (just mostly)... 2.1Ghz triple core AMD, 8GB of ram and AMD HD 3200 w/ 8.6.94 driver version. (WARNING: I'm a total linux newb! Possibly this issue is due to my own ineptitude). I don't have any illusions of running games or anything, but I would have thought my PC was good enough the UI should feel responsive.
It definitely shouldn't be that slow. 8.6.94 doesn't sound quite right, but maybe give this a crack: http://somethingididnotknow.wordpre...-very-slow-using-latest-ati-catalyst-drivers/
Otherwise maybe try uninstalling the Catalyst driver and using the free radeon driver instead?
ThatObviousUser
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Sweet! Pleased they're not calling it something dumb like Gubuntu too.
ThatObviousUser
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Same. A shame the next release is gonna use 3.6 though since Canonical is dragging their heels.
Oh calm down. You can add a ppa and get 3.8 as soon as its released.
ThatObviousUser
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wait for 13.04 then.
13.10...?
oh is it? I can't keep track of what version Ubuntu is on since I only care about the LTS releases.
ThatObviousUser
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13.04 = 3.6, that's why I'm annoyed.
Presumably 13.10 will have 3.8.
Aren't they doing away with the whole LTS soon?
Presumably 13.10 will have 3.8.
Aren't they doing away with the whole LTS soon?
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
How is elementary os?
Is there a point in switching to ubuntu gnome if I'm already running Linux mint with the latest gnome installed?
Is there a point in switching to ubuntu gnome if I'm already running Linux mint with the latest gnome installed?
ThatObviousUser
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Not really, except maybe tighter integration.
Not that I know of. I know Canonical is thinking of rolling release but I think they'll keep their LTS versions IIRC.
i just found out this the hard way, because i had yet to install 12.10 from scratch, it was always 12.04 and eventually tryed to update directly which had worked in pretty much all the pcs with 12.04 i tried.
tfur
Member
Why would you use stock nvidia drivers anyhow. Is this a requirement of Ubuntu?
Download the latest drivers from nvidia, and install/compile those against your installed kernel/kernel-dev environment.
Just remember each kernel upgrade, will require a nvidia driver recompile.
On CentOS:
download latest nvidia drivers
init 3, on CentOS this exits gdm/xdm
cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.oldversionwhatever
sh ./nvidia_install.sh
yes to the defaults
startx and and see if the nvidia banner comes up etc. Now exit X session.
init 5. restarts gdm/xdm xsession login
done
It's like a 2 minute operation. I have not used a default distribution driver in many many years for nvidia equipped hardware.
Download the latest drivers from nvidia, and install/compile those against your installed kernel/kernel-dev environment.
Just remember each kernel upgrade, will require a nvidia driver recompile.
On CentOS:
download latest nvidia drivers
init 3, on CentOS this exits gdm/xdm
cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.oldversionwhatever
sh ./nvidia_install.sh
yes to the defaults
startx and and see if the nvidia banner comes up etc. Now exit X session.
init 5. restarts gdm/xdm xsession login
done
It's like a 2 minute operation. I have not used a default distribution driver in many many years for nvidia equipped hardware.
ComputerMKII
Banned
I've reinstalled Linux Mint and everything works well with the open-source drivers except everything is laggy as fuck. Is there any distro/desktop environment that will work with the AMD proprietary drivers?
Not ready yet, not suitable for daily use.
i installed the nvidia 313.26 directly from the ppa xorg-edgers and then selected the 313 from another drivers in the software sources, and everything works except games.
tfur
Member
I don't know much at all about ubuntu. I download nvidia drivers directly from nvidia.com.
Does glxinfo say "direct rendering: Yes"... 3rd line.
Are you sure your drivers installed without error when you tried them before? The fact that your Unity experience was identical to mine with a failed install of a NVIDIA driver makes me suspicious.
This reads like a stack-overflow thread now.yep, but i will confirm this later i'm not at home.
This reads like a stack-overflow thread now.
lolol, indeed, but i've wasted some hours trying to make steam games/games in general working...
ComputerMKII
Banned
I've finally got my system to works in a decent manner.
Edit: Steam crashes again.
- First, I installed MATE because I already knew that Steam insta-crashes on Cinnamon if the proprietary drivers are installed
- Enable the AMD proprietary drivers form the Software Sources menu
- Everything works fine except windows weren't transparent anymore
- Since installing Compiz completely breaks MATE, I had to find an alternative. After lots of googling, I learnt that you could just enable compositing through MATE's Desktop Settings
- Problem: 'Desktop Settings' is nowhere to be found in MATE
- More googling
- Solution was sudo apt-get install mintdesktop
- Run mintdesktop -> Windows -> Performance -> Enable compositing
- Voilà, everything works, the UI is responsive, Steam games work fine, except now my speakers seem to have died (everything work fine when I plug my headphones straight to the sound card). That's weird, I'll look into that later.
Edit: Steam crashes again.
~$ glxinfo |grep rendering
direct rendering: Yes
GL_NV_parameter_buffer_object2, GL_NV_path_rendering,
yep.
You on the list to get a steam box? I mean, you could just create a profile for gaming and one for everything else that uses the two different environments if it NEEDS Unity to run without a hitch.
tfur
Member
ok, there was also glx strings as well etc, as well as OpenGL lines?
server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
server glx version string: 1.4
server glx extensions:
Xorg/nouveau, or nvidia kernel module? Should be nvidia
lsmod | grep nv
nvidia 9375371 58
i2c_core 31276 2 i2c_i801,nvidia
What are the permissions on /dev/nvidia*
Can you just launch a game in a console, and see what errors are output? The output should be obtainable somewhere. Also, look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log, or something similar after a failed game start.
If it's a nouveau driver, then I don't know what to do. I only use nvidia drivers.
tfur
Member
glxinfo | more
should have some glxinfo, but since you already have the module loaded, it should be ok.
ls -l /dev/nvidia*
should be rw-rw-rw
So, no console err output for execution? I am sure you could figure it out with that output. Probably missing or not seen libraries. LD_LIBRARY_PATH related usually, if X is properly configured.
maxrunner@maxrunner-Qosmio-F60:/dev$ ls -l /dev/nvidia*
crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 195, 0 Mar 11 14:08 /dev/nvidia0
crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 195, 255 Mar 11 14:08 /dev/nvidiactl
will try checking by running the games in console. Counter strike source gives the error:
could not find opengl entry point "glGetError".
~$ LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose; glxinfo | grep gl
server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
server glx version string: 1.4
server glx extensions:
client glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
client glx version string: 1.4
client glx extensions:
GL_ARB_texture_query_lod, GL_ARB_texture_rectangle, GL_ARB_texture_rg,
GL_NV_texture_rectangle, GL_NV_texture_shader, GL_NV_texture_shader2,
crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 195, 0 Mar 11 14:08 /dev/nvidia0
crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 195, 255 Mar 11 14:08 /dev/nvidiactl
will try checking by running the games in console. Counter strike source gives the error:
could not find opengl entry point "glGetError".
~$ LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose; glxinfo | grep gl
server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
server glx version string: 1.4
server glx extensions:
client glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
client glx version string: 1.4
client glx extensions:
GL_ARB_texture_query_lod, GL_ARB_texture_rectangle, GL_ARB_texture_rg,
GL_NV_texture_rectangle, GL_NV_texture_shader, GL_NV_texture_shader2,
tfur
Member
Welp, I don't really know then. Once you can see console output, you can figure it out. If glxgears runs, and you have direct rendering, its a software problem related to the game itself and what it requires.
I did see a few posts here, that may help. Halfway down.
http://steamcommunity.com/app/221410/discussions/1/882966056488160497/#p2
The thing is, it was working before. I could play trine2, cs, cs:source, the cave...after i did a fresh install. Webgl browser is not working either. But im using the home folder as a different partition, and i just reinstalled steam without redownloading the games.
Also:
uname -r
3.5.0-25-generic
tfur
Member
Not sure, different partition, sounds like path or permissions issues. Selinux can cause issues, if you move outside of trusted paths?
# sestatus
Without console output, it just trial and error.
If you get desperate, the last ditch is to strace the command. It shows the systems calls, and inevitably your execution error. Or what could be causing the error.
strace -f somecommand > somelogfile.log 2>&1
You will see the errors toward the bottom of the output. Its a bit cryptic, but it will be there.
tfur
Member
find / -name libopenal.so.1 -print
use the directory where it was found to set the LD path.
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/path_where_found:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH
example
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib64:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH
Sounds like you either do not have the proper libs, or the wrapper that runs the program is expecting them somewhere else.
do an ldd on the file Grimlock
find / -name Grimlock -print
its probably a wrapper script, if not ldd will show you all of the paths to the .so linked libs. Any that are missing, means either not installed or they are no longer where they were. You over ride or set by setting the LD_LIBRARY_PATH to where they live now. Good luck, heading home.
maxrunner@maxrunner-Qosmio-F60:~/games/Grimrock$ sudo find / -name libopenal.so.1 -print
[sudo] password for maxrunner:
/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libopenal.so.1
/home/maxrunner/Steam/SteamApps/common/Amnesia The Dark Descent/libs/all/libopenal.so.1
/home/maxrunner/Steam/SteamApps/common/Amnesia The Dark Descent/libs64/all/libopenal.so.1
/home/maxrunner/Steam/ubuntu12_32/steam-runtime/i386/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libopenal.so.1
[sudo] password for maxrunner:
/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libopenal.so.1
/home/maxrunner/Steam/SteamApps/common/Amnesia The Dark Descent/libs/all/libopenal.so.1
/home/maxrunner/Steam/SteamApps/common/Amnesia The Dark Descent/libs64/all/libopenal.so.1
/home/maxrunner/Steam/ubuntu12_32/steam-runtime/i386/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libopenal.so.1
maxrunner, can you do a quick
uname -a ?
I can't tell if you have a 32-bit install or a 64-bit install.
What could be happening is that Grimrock is a 64-bit executable (no clue if it even has one) and is looking for 64-bit libopenal, but you have 32-bit libopenal only installed.
Otherwise, it probably would have found libopenal without modifying the LD_LIBRARY_PATH
uname -a ?
I can't tell if you have a 32-bit install or a 64-bit install.
What could be happening is that Grimrock is a 64-bit executable (no clue if it even has one) and is looking for 64-bit libopenal, but you have 32-bit libopenal only installed.
Otherwise, it probably would have found libopenal without modifying the LD_LIBRARY_PATH