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[Alter_Fridge]

Try and choose ones that aren't so well known. All of these have a larger harder edge to them

1. The Used - Liars for the Liars (2007)
2. Story Of The Year - In The Wake Of Determination (2005)
3. Fenix TX - Lechuza (2001)
4. The Matches - Decomposer (2006)
5. The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus - Don't You Fake It (2006)

Love everyone of these albums to absolute bits

 

[appaws]

Try and choose ones that aren't so well known. All of these have a larger harder edge to them

1. The Used - Liars for the Liars (2007)
2. Story Of The Year - In The Wake Of Determination (2005)
3. Fenix TX - Lechuza (2001)
4. The Matches - Decomposer (2006)
5. The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus - Don't You Fake It (2006)

Love everyone of these albums to absolute bits

I don’t understand. I’ve never heard of any of those. Are these major label bands?

 

[Alter_Fridge]

I don’t understand. I’ve never heard of any of those. Are these major label bands?

Like nutrition label?

 

[appaws]

Like nutrition label?

What?

Googled some of these...I guess there is just a mainstream alternative scene humming along that punks are unaware of. Carry on.

 

[Alter_Fridge]

What?

Googled some of these...I guess there is just a mainstream alternative scene humming along that punks are unaware of. Carry on.

Hang on... are you saying these albums are mainstream or

 

[appaws]

Hang on... are you saying these albums are mainstream or

Well, they seem to be alternative bands on major label subsidiaries or big indies like Epitaph. That was why I hadn’t heard of them as a longtime punk rock guy. I’m not criticizing...I’m just not in tune with it the same way I’m clueless when friends reference some top 40 thing. I’m glad kids get exposed to some ripping music.

 

[Alter_Fridge]

Well, they seem to be alternative bands on major label subsidiaries or big indies like Epitaph. That was why I hadn’t heard of them as a longtime punk rock guy. I’m not criticizing...I’m just not in tune with it the same way I’m clueless when friends reference some top 40 thing. I’m glad kids get exposed to some ripping music.

Ok. Well you didn't reference any of the music I listed directly by name, but I think you were still being positive... or something

 

[appaws]

Just curious...do you know about bands like Screeching Weasel, The Queers, The Lillingtons, The Manges, or Teenage Bottlerocket?

 

[Alter_Fridge]

Just curious...do you know about bands like Screeching Weasel, The Queers, The Lillingtons, The Manges, or Teenage Bottlerocket?

By name yes a few

 

[Alter_Fridge]

Just curious...do you know about bands like Screeching Weasel, The Queers, The Lillingtons, The Manges, or Teenage Bottlerocket?

I'm not sure if you're trying to turn this into a competition?

 

[brap]

the used, story of the year, and red jumpsuit apparatus are pop punk?

 

[appaws]

By name yes a few

Just a few of my favorite pop-punk bands. Very indie. If you ever want to be exposed to the indie pop-punk scene give a listen to a podcast called The Dummy Room.

The pop-punk sound might be different to you. More like The Ramones. I notice the bands in the OP seem to be very emo influenced, slower and heavier. Again, I’m not criticizing. Just a scene I’m not exposed to. I like when any kids get to hear rock instead of the drum machine shit that has driven it out of pop music.

 

[Manus]

The GOAT.

 

[Alter_Fridge]

Just a few of my favorite pop-punk bands. Very indie. If you ever want to be exposed to the indie pop-punk scene give a listen to a podcast called The Dummy Room.

The pop-punk sound might be different to you. More like The Ramones. I notice the bands in the OP seem to be very emo influenced, slower and heavier. Again, I’m not criticizing. Just a scene I’m not exposed to. I like when any kids get to hear rock instead of the drum machine shit that has driven it out of pop music.

Yeah I'm more into the heavier pop-punk stuff, a lot of it veering into straight up rock and metal. I wouldn't necessarily call it slow though.

I can see you're into a more pure pop-punk realm than me. Kudos

 

[brap]

Yeah I'm more into the heavier pop-punk stuff

Judging by your list you don't even know what pop punk is.

 

[Alter_Fridge]

The GOAT.

Very New Found Gloryish

 

[Alter_Fridge]

Judging by your list you don't even know what pop punk is.

It's heavier but the pop-punk sensibility is still there

Or maybe I'm all wrong

But I reckon I could classify every band I've listed as pop-punk and I wouldn't get any trouble

 

[Captain Zyrain]

All of the No Use For a Name albums.

RIP Tony Sly

 

[Manus]

I miss Warped Tour.

I also wouldn't consider The Used or Story of the Year pop-punk.

 

[Alter_Fridge]

Forever the Sickest Kids.



Boys Like Girls

I miss Warped Tour.

I also wouldn't consider The Used or Story of the Year pop-punk.

Didn't know these guys

Singer sounds a lot like Brandon of Panic at the Disco

 

[Manus]

Didn't know these guys

Singer sounds a lot like Brandon of Panic at the Disco

Their great. It's tough to choose either them, All Time Low, or Mayday Parade as my all time favorite Pop-Punk.

 

[Alter_Fridge]

I miss Warped Tour.

I also wouldn't consider The Used or Story of the Year pop-punk.

Would you say emo?

 

[Manus]

Would you say emo?

I would say more Emo/Post-Hardcore.

 

[Threeshotgamer]

Pop punk seems to be a hard genre to nail down sometimes
Yellowcard: Ocean Avenue
Motion City Soundtrack
Bowling for Soup: every album it's actually one of my favorite bands from my teenage years.
Good Charlotte but really only the self titled first album. Didn't really like anything after that

 

[teezzy]

Avrils first two albums and pretty much nothing else in the genre.

Pop punk 8snt my favorite. I dont like the way those dudes sing. Whatever that whiny tone they take is. Emo stuffm Punk music is supposed to be rebellious and I think the pop influence sorta contradicts that. Love the first two avril albums for whatever reason though

 

[appaws]

Avrils first two albums and pretty much nothing else in the genre.

Pop punk 8snt my favorite. I dont like the way those dudes sing. Whatever that whiny tone they take is. Emo stuffm Punk music is supposed to be rebellious and I think the pop influence sorta contradicts that. Love the first two avril albums for whatever reason though

Your critique is right of this stuff...

But this isn’t any form of punk rock...

 

[Dark Star]

The only band that has ever truly struck me as "pop punk" is Blink 182, but the "early 2000's radio rock/emo/posthardcore" bands are awesome and are pretty much listened to by the same fans.

Most recently, I've been listening to a lot of Real Friends, Knuckle Puck, State Champs, Neck Deep, etc. They're newer bands but they have a good "pop punk" kind of vibe.

 

[teezzy]

What technically differentiates pop punk from emo?

 

[Threeshotgamer]

What technically differentiates pop punk from emo?

How much their parent's loved them

 

[Alter_Fridge]

Also, Eskimo Callboy are GOAT

 

[Kagey K]

I don’t understand. I’ve never heard of any of those. Are these major label bands?

Probably the biggest Red Jumpsuit Apparatus song aNd you’ve probably heard it. (It’s great if you haven’t.)



The most recent on that can fit in your criteria OP is probably Rise Against - Appeal to Reason (Are they pop punk?)

 

[Lionel Richie]

1- Bomb the Music Industry - Goodbye Cool World



2- Joyce Manor - Joyce Manor (2011, but early 2011, don't be anal OP)



3- Streetlight Manifesto - Everything Goes Numb



4- Alkaline Trio - Maybe I'll Catch Fire



5- The Thermals - The Body, the Blood, the Machine

 

[appaws]

Probably the biggest Red Jumpsuit Apparatus song aNd you’ve probably heard it. (It’s great if you haven’t.)



The most recent on that can fit in your criteria OP is probably Rise Against - Appeal to Reason (Are they pop punk?)

Yeah, I know Rise Against. I'm from Chicago. I loved 88 Fingers Louie back in the day. I think some of their members are in RA. These songs are very polished. I liked them better as a bunch of dumb kids punking out. Go listen to "Behind Bars" Their tracks on "Chicago vs. Amsterdam," or 88Fingers "Up Your Ass." Much better than this.

I don't dig the Red Jumpsuit song. Kinda overproduced...and why do they all have girl haircuts?

I have very mixed feelings about these corporate "punk" acts. They are good musically, and I hope they are introducing some kids to good music...and that at least some of those kids will hear about the much better indie bands and move on. And I hate that some punks are elitist and very snooty about it. I also know that I was lucky to grow up in a big city with a scene...and these bands are probably the only way some kid from Ballsack, Kentucky would ever discover good music.

 

[Darko]

 

[gimmmick]

My list from a 37 year old that graduated HS back in 2002. The golden age of poppy punk was during my 4 years of high school imo.

1. Blink-182 - Untitled (At the time, blink's swan song. The best work from Mark and Tom.)

2. Alkaline Trio - From Here To Infirmary (My favorite album back in HS.)

3. The Ataris - End is Forever (Such a fantastic album from start to finish. I remember playing "Giving up on love" on a first date with a girl back in 2008. She instantly starting singing along and knew she was a keeper)

4. Tsunami Bomb - The Ultimate Escape (A East Bay favorite growing up. The Invasion From Within! was my introduction to the band but if I had to choose one, it would be the first LP).

5. Good Charlotte - The Young and the Hopeless (GC's greatest hits album. Such a blast to see these guys when hit warped tour back in 2001 and 2002).

 

[gimmmick]

What technically differentiates pop punk from emo?

Honesty the year it was released imo. You can see the difference in music from the early 2000 to steady flow of music of emo. Though the album that started emo was Weezer's Pinkerton so it kind of throws it all out the door lol.

 

[Kev Kev]

Emo (short for emotional) would be shit like my chemical romance. Very emotional, but it’s rooted in pop punk/alternative

Pop (short for popular) punk that is less emotional would be bands like blink 182 and new found glory

Then there is a whole sub level of pop punk (which can have more pop or more emo, or kind of be its own thing and blur genre lines) , underground bands that took influence from blink and NFG, such as the early November and brand new.

acrually, brand new is kind of a bad example, but I never liked pop punk much… deja entendu is definitely pop punk in my mind, although a little more evolved. The rest of their stuff branches off into its own thing

that was my understanding of pop punk vs emo vs underground pop punk/emo

I kind hate all the genre defining tbh. Just let me listen to it and I’ll tell you if I like it or not…

 

[INC]

All white music, its racist, and should be banned......

 

[Sybrix]

Anything in American Pie 1 movie.

That movie is such a time capsule of a simpler time in life

 

[NinjaBoiX]

 

[SF Kosmo]

This is like asking your favorite player on the 2017 Cleveland Browns. 2000-2010 is the decade pop punk died.

So I guess here's some Bouncing Souls?

 

[V1LÆM]

I don't need to pick #5 this is hands down my favourite album from that decade. I remember Mark Hoppus said they were gonna do a second album but then Blink got back together. There isn't a single bad song on it. I remember listening to the demo songs before it came out and will still argue that the demo version of "No, it isn't" is the best version.

 

[SF Kosmo]

Pop (short for popular) punk that is less emotional would be bands like blink 182 and new found glory

I think of these bands as the sort of the withering remnants of pop punk before it stopped being considered punk at all. Emo also sort of devolved into Emo-pop that decade after being considered an offshoot of hardcore for a long time.

Pop punk has been around since Ramones and Buzzcocks, and all those Oi bands really. They all used those major key pop song chords and poppy melodies. Compared to other stuff at the time like The Damned or Sex Pistols or Bad Brains.

After Green Day, pop punk became more of a buzzword and also closely associated with like, a particular fashion and skateboarding and all that shit but it was always around.

 

[Kev Kev]

I think of these bands as the sort of the withering remnants of pop punk before it stopped being considered punk at all. Emo also sort of devolved into Emo-pop that decade after being considered an offshoot of hardcore for a long time.

Pop punk has been around since Ramones and Buzzcocks, and all those Oi bands really. They all used those major key pop song chords and poppy melodies. Compared to other stuff at the time like The Damned or Sex Pistols or Bad Brains.

After Green Day, pop punk became more of a buzzword and also closely associated with like, a particular fashion and skateboarding and all that shit but it was always around.

if were talking about 2000s era, then blink and new found gory were widley considered to be pop punk.

as a metal head in high school at that time, we would pick on kids who listened to pop punk, and only barely tolerate kids who listened to punk, but there was a distinct difference between the two genres. these days genres are all over the place, and they didnt really exist as much in the era your speaking of.

in general, genre definitions are shaky, and honestly just kind of dumb. to me it falls under the umbrella of metal, rock, punk or alternative (everything else). the whole pop punk and emo branding was dumb to begin with.

 

[SF Kosmo]

if were talking about 2000s era, then blink and new found gory were widley considered to be pop punk.

as a metal head in high school at that time, we would pick on kids who listened to pop punk, and only barely tolerate kids who listened to punk, but there was a distinct difference between the two genres. these days genres are all over the place, and they didnt really exist as much in the era your speaking of.

in general, genre definitions are shaky, and honestly just kind of dumb. to me it falls under the umbrella of metal, rock, punk or alternative (everything else). the whole pop punk and emo branding was dumb to begin with.

Pop punk and emo labels in the 2000s were definitely watered down and connected more to fashion and style and shit. It felt very manufactured and mass marketed in ways that really undermined what punk is all about.

 

[Kev Kev]

Pop punk and emo labels in the 2000s were definitely watered down and connected more to fashion and style and shit. It felt very manufactured and mass marketed in ways that really undermined what punk is all about.

Lol I love it when people say shit like this. Like who gives a fuck about your music culture, let’s just talk about the music itself man.

I disagree that the music of pop punk was watered down compared to old punk rock. The ramones are talentless musical hacks. Pop punk at least sounds like they are playing something that resembles music. Which is why it became more popular, but since it was rooted in a punk feel (rhythmically speaking, not culture wise) it became known as pop punk.

Emo was just used as a derogative term for pop punk because hardcore became all the rage in the early 2000s. And then my chemical romance and others really solidified emo as a musical genre with the lead singer crying on stage lol and the songs being very emotional. Again, the feel rhythmically was still rooted in punk rock, so it’s still connected to pop punk and old punk rock, in a way. But it wasn’t long after that that emo became a joke, and both eno and pop punk died just like old school punk rock died.

The “undermines” part is more of a culture argument, and a completely different discussion. I think you’re getting off the point with that. If you want to argue music culture, then yes there was something that was very much lost between the death of punk rock and the birth of pop punk.

I blame ska, personally

 

[ArtemisClydeFrog]

All white music, its racist, and should be banned......

lol literally nobody but you is saying that. Anti-SJW's are the fucking worst, ya'll need a permanent safe space to prevent any potential triggering.

Anyways, I liked some Green Day and Blink-182. Not really into "Pop/Punk" but they had some dope songs.

SPOIDERS! The song still slaps but man if they could cut down on the whining they'd be so much better

 

[INC]

lol literally nobody but you is saying that. Anti-SJW's are the fucking worst, ya'll need a permanent safe space to prevent any potential triggering.

Anyways, I liked some Green Day and Blink-182. Not really into "Pop/Punk" but they had some dope songs.




SPOIDERS! The song still slaps but man if they could cut down on the whining they'd be so much better

I did, i used '......' in the vein attempt to present sarcasm

 

[SF Kosmo]

Lol I love it when people say shit like this. Like who gives a fuck about your music culture, let’s just talk about the music itself man.

I disagree that the music of pop punk was watered down compared to old punk rock. The ramones are talentless musical hacks. Pop punk at least sounds like they are playing something that resembles music. Which is why it became more popular, but since it was rooted in a punk feel (rhythmically speaking, not culture wise) it became known as pop punk.

Emo was just used as a derogative term for pop punk because hardcore became all the rage in the early 2000s. And then my chemical romance and others really solidified emo as a musical genre with the lead singer crying on stage lol and the songs being very emotional. Again, the feel rhythmically was still rooted in punk rock, so it’s still connected to pop punk and old punk rock, in a way. But it wasn’t long after that that emo became a joke, and both eno and pop punk died just like old school punk rock died.

The “undermines” part is more of a culture argument, and a completely different discussion. I think you’re getting off the point with that. If you want to argue music culture, then yes there was something that was very much lost between the death of punk rock and the birth of pop punk.

I blame ska, personally

Comparing Ramones to MCR is jumping over a lot of in betweens and missing the point a bit. What I was saying is that there has always been pop and hardcore sides of punk and even Ramones did some stuff that was pretty fucking twee. I am not trying to say punk peaked in '78, that wasn't the point.

But I do think it took a turn for the worse and became more focused on image and identity around the turn of the millenium as a lot of music did around this time. There are a lot of reasons for this, not least of which the sudden mass consolidation of broadcast radio media following the passing of the Telecommunications Act of 1996. The same phenomenon that led to Britney Spears, NSYNC and turned alternative into Linkin Park and Nickelback. Bu I digress.

Pop Punk, Emo, Ska, all of it had a lot of brilliant bands in the decade prior. But the 90s bands like Rancid and Bad Religion gave way to stuff like Good Charlotte and Blink 182 that weren't just twee, they were clearly for children.

These bands aren't just pop punk, they're Kidz Bop punk. It's not just pop song chords and uplifting melodies, it was that they had all the edges sand blasted off until it sounded like Mickey Mouse Club shit like Avril Lavigne. It came across as cynical and hollow, in the same way pop music from that time did.

The thing that made punk and the alternative that followed stand out was that it wasn't cynical and overproduced like that and didn't want or care to be popular, it was earnest and it was raw. Those qualities that it lost in the 2000s are the qualities that made it punk in the first place.

 

[SpiceRacz]

3. Fenix TX - Lechuza (2001)

Great album. I didn't listen to much pop-punk at the time, but this is easily my favorite.