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Logan was a mean movie and still a mean future for the mutants stop being so mean

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Eidan

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Logan is by no stretch of the imagination a shitty movie, and the OP failed utterly in crafting an argument that could convince anyone otherwise. OP, one day you will learn that it's often better to say "I didn't like this", instead of saying "This is bad".
 
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family_guy

Member
Logan's an alternate universe apart from the regular movies, just like Old Man Logan in the comics was separate from the regular comic line.
 
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teacupcopter

Banned
This is why it's great that movie execs and creators ignore comic shit while taking the good stuff.

Logan, on its own, is a great movie. Ignore the others. They don't matter.

EDIT: You might as well go "AND WHEN DID THE PROFESSOR X INCIDENT HAPPEN, IT'S ONLY REFERENCED IN LOGAN BUT NEVER IN ANOTHER MOVIE. OMG"
 
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itwasTuesday

He wasn't alone.
teacupcopter said:
This is why it's great that movie execs and creators ignore comic shit while taking the good stuff.

Logan, on its own, is a great movie. Ignore the others. They don't matter.

EDIT: You might as well go "AND WHEN DID THE PROFESSOR X INCIDENT HAPPEN, IT'S ONLY REFERENCED IN LOGAN BUT NEVER IN ANOTHER MOVIE. OMG"
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Sub_Level

Sub_Level

wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Life is mean.

For all its inconsistencies, the xmen franchise does a pretty good job of illustrating that.
 
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Saucycarpdog

Member
I thought Logan was really good. Guess only part I didnt really like was when clone Logan showed up, felt cringy and like I was watching X-men origins wolverine again.
 
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Blader

Member
Replicant said:
Nah, I chose to believe that Logan's timeline is the timeline where he got fished out of the river in DoFP. Not the happy alternate timeline of DoFP.
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That is all the same timeline. The events of DOFP (which include Logan being thrown into, and then fished out of, that river) are what produce that happy ending.
 
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Freeza Under The Shower

Member
Considering I'd seen your opinion on this one before, I was wondering when you'd get to the 'imma make a thread, won't backfire' stage.

I'd say you started from the wrong premise that there is a timeline (there really isn't one) and it has to fit (it really doesn't), and allow such a minuscule detail to determine your opinion on an otherwise awesome movie.

Nice try at becoming elitist movie-gaf, but you need to try harder to get to MY level if you're gonna have shitty opinions to sell as facts.

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But aside from that, did you somehow miss all the political stuff in Logan? Border wall, no more mutants, corn (diet), straight up racism, and so on? I mean, this may have been the most on-point X-Men movie they've made in terms of what it needs to do, versus being just costumes punching people.
You can get that from Marvel or DC in nearly any of their recent movies.
 
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Fast Forward

Member
family_guy said:
Logan's an alternate universe apart from the regular movies, just like Old Man Logan in the comics was separate from the regular comic line.
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Has this ever been confirmed? I know people have speculated as much, but has it ever been established by the director/writer as such?
 
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PhoncipleBone

Banned
Fast Forward said:
Well, that's a given.

Either way, Logan is a great movie, and unlike the OP, I thought it did not "ruin" Future Past, and this is coming from someone who adores Future Past.

Even so, just wondering.
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Oh, I absolutely loved Days of Future Past. It was nice to finally have a proper sequel to X2 after 11 years.

I didn't take Logan as shitting on it or any of the other films at all. It was like Old Man Logan or a DC Elseworlds title. It was just focused on telling its story, and while it might draw from previous events and chronology, it didn't matter in the end because it had a singular story it wanted to tell.
 
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Dmax3901

Member
I didn't like it either but for literally none of the reasons you mention in the OP.

Also I wouldn't call myself an Xmen fan but even I understood this wasn't necessarily a direct sequel to anything, more a standalone film.
 
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PhoncipleBone

Banned
Dmax3901 said:
I didn't like it either but for literally none of the reasons you mention in the OP.

Also I wouldn't call myself an Xmen fan but even I understood this wasn't necessarily a direct sequel to anything, more a standalone film.
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Out of curiosity, what was it about the film that you did not like then?
 
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Dmax3901

Member
PhoncipleBone said:
Out of curiosity, what was it about the film that you did not like then?
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It was too hard, too cold. I didn't care about anyone and thought the violence was stupid. Like gore doesn't bother me or anything like that, it just seemed gratuitous for no reason.

The whole section at the farm seemed silly too. What did they think was going to happen if they stuck around with a paramilitary group after them. And the gang of dudes messing with the farmer seemed like a poor excuse to have a group of people for clone Logan to slaughter.

The villains were completely uninteresting (both Mr Grant and the mercenary dude) and Patrick Stewart was actually irritating. "Logan! Logan! Listen to me! Logan!" all the god damn time.

Some of this may seem like small things and I'd agree. The main issue is that I was both apathetic towards the characters, and bored by the violence.
 
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Arttemis

Member
Dmax3901 said:
It was too hard, too cold. I didn't care about anyone and thought the violence was stupid. Like gore doesn't bother me or anything like that, it just seemed gratuitous for no reason.

The whole section at the farm seemed silly too. What did they think was going to happen if they stuck around with a paramilitary group after them. And the gang of dudes messing with the farmer seemed like a poor excuse to have a group of people for clone Logan to slaughter.

The villains were completely uninteresting (both Mr Grant and the mercenary dude) and Patrick Stewart was actually irritating. "Logan! Logan! Listen to me! Logan!" all the god damn time.

Some of this may seem like small things and I'd agree. The main issue is that I was both apathetic towards the characters, and bored by the violence.
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The violence was gratuitous!?! That's what a movie about a guy with super strength and claws in his knuckles is supposed to look like. He's the best at what he does mm
 
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tearsintherain

Member
Logan is a movie that I think you can't really appreciate or "feel" unless you are either old(er) or you have suffered a lot of heartache in life. The TV show Mad Men felt similar, imo - I hated the show when it started, and grew to really appreciate it a lot more as my life went on.

As a 47 year old guy with grown kids who has regretted many choices in his life and I am really starting to feel my age, Logan really was a massive gut punch in a way that I appreciate far more because it has characters that I have loved my entire life. Professor X, especially, I can't even write the kind of emotions his character arc made me feel.
 
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PhoncipleBone

Banned
Dmax3901 said:
It was too hard, too cold. I didn't care about anyone and thought the violence was stupid. Like gore doesn't bother me or anything like that, it just seemed gratuitous for no reason.

The whole section at the farm seemed silly too. What did they think was going to happen if they stuck around with a paramilitary group after them. And the gang of dudes messing with the farmer seemed like a poor excuse to have a group of people for clone Logan to slaughter.

The villains were completely uninteresting (both Mr Grant and the mercenary dude) and Patrick Stewart was actually irritating. "Logan! Logan! Listen to me! Logan!" all the god damn time.

Some of this may seem like small things and I'd agree. The main issue is that I was both apathetic towards the characters, and bored by the violence.
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While I don't personally agree, I can understand these criticisms. Thanks for responding.
 
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jb1234

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GamerJM said:
I thought it was completely fine but I wasn't impressed by it at all. My biggest issue is that the whole movie I felt like I was watching something that was made with the goal of making me feel emotional about the end of Wolverine as a character in the X-Men universe and it just.....didn't.
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Yeah, the movie didn't emotionally move me at all and I'm the crier in the family. I just felt very distanced from it.
 
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Dmax3901

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Arttemis said:
The violence was gratuitous!?! That's what a movie about a guy with super strength and claws in his knuckles is supposed to look like. He's the best at what he does mm
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I'm not opposed to Wolverine movies being super violent, I just feel like they saw how successful Deadpool was and went a little too crazy with the whole 'claws in faces' thing.

PhoncipleBone said:
While I don't personally agree, I can understand these criticisms. Thanks for responding.
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No worries!
 
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JC Lately

Member
Just think of it as a cinematic installment of What If. Im sure the upcoming films will disregard Logan's dead-end future anyway.
 
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zethren

Banned
Holy shit, OP. I could not disagree with you more. Logan was damn near a masterpiece of a film, and has far more emotional depth and weight of character than any other film in the franchise. I'd even say it's the best film in the superhero genre, period.

I mean you're certainly entitled to have not enjoyed it, but it's an incredible film and the best Xmen by a wide margin.

Monocle said:
You have bad taste.
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First post nails it harder than any other time, in this thread.
 
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Cipher Peon

Banned
I LOVED how mean and grimdark it was. In fact, it could have been moreso imo.

Also I hate the X-men so maybe I'm the wrong person for this. But there was a huge difference in enjoying seeing them get killed in DoFP and the actually emotionally charged stuff of Logan.

But anyway, I really loved what Logan meant for the X-men universe. More of that, please!
 
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Coxy100

Banned
SpaceWolf said:
I have to admit, I'm not a fan of how Logan essentially ruined the refreshingly optimistic ending of Days of Future Past. Given all the shit Logan had been through, I really liked how Logan finally had gotten a second chance at living his life again in the manor with the X-Men, almost sort of as his final reward. It felt like it tied a nice neat bow over the original X-Men franchise, whilst making space for the new timeline with the younger cast.

But nope, turns out a handful of years later, mutant kind gets essentially wiped out again and everything dissolves into absolute shit once more, leaving Logan once again as a bitter, tormented, traumatised wreck. Hurray!

EDIT: Just wanted to be clear, I really enjoyed the movie. Ultimately what matters more over all the timeline nonsense is a great story, which I felt Logan delivered in spades. I just wasn't a huge fan of how the film kind of diminished my enjoyment of DOFP's ending (which I loved for its optimism).
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This guy gets it.

Great movie on its own - but within the wider universe I do find it sad what has happened - and a massive change
 
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Pandaman

Everything is moe to me
Coxy100 said:
This guy gets it.

Great movie on its own - but within the wider universe I do find it sad what has happened - and a massive change
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In light of the apocalypse movie, Logan makes perfect sense. you can't have magneto murder a few million people indiscriminately in a genocide ploy and expect mutants to get off clean.
 
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Kuroi Gogeta

Member
It's a shame seeing so many people here trying to get a quick quip in or just telling OP he's wrong while either A.reducing and misinterpreting his post or B.Just telling him he's wrong.

TheVampire said:
I just watched this and I really didn't like this at all and what it meant for the future of the xmen and mutants.

So in X-Men: Days of Future Past in the original timeline everything led up to some bad future in 2023 where killer robots were wiping out mutants and some humans who carry the mutant X-Gene.

Then since they sent Wolverine back in time and changed some stuff when we woke up back in a new different 2023 everything was changed but for the better. The world was more tolerant of mutants, alot of bad shit from the other movies never happened, Jeane and Cyclops were alive etc... and it looked great and really hopeful for the future.

But then we have the sequel to that being Logan.

So in just 6 years time we are meant to believe that Wolverine is now apparently really old all of a sudden, his healing is failing and he is dying even though he was fine just 6 years before that....

And Xavier is the worst. They give him alzheimer's which is such a awful thing to do to his character and he apparently accidentally killed a bunch of people and some of the xmen but they dont tell us who so we have no real idea of whos left. So he and Wolverine got fucked over in just 6 random years after? Also there is no cure for alzheimers in 2020s? No mutant who can heal other people?

Oh! Oh! and instead of changing the future of the original timeline which was the end of the mutants due to those killer robots, the mutants are wiped out again anyway due to that shit some company put in the food to suppress the gene and also hunted the rest down! wtf


It just seemed really shitty to go from such a positive hopeful ending of a brand new better future in end of DOFP to this shit.
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I see where you're coming from, the whole point of DOFP was that mutants were going extinct and they had one last chance to put aside old differences and fight to preserve their existence. The world of Logan essentially ignores all of that, pretends it didn't happen or undoes it for what reason? The movie just seemed like it was trying to be sad and bleak for no other reason than to just be sad and bleak. Yes, I understand that wolverine is a tragic character, that his immortality is more of a curse than a gift, but it ends up becoming a kind of emotional torture porn. There's little optimism, little sense that anything is going to get better, for a lot of people--films, especially films with larger than life characters, offer a sense of escapism, and optimism, not a reminder of how shitty the world is.

You need to see it within the context of wolverine though, not as an x-men film if you want to really get something out of it. Its a film that is meant to make you think about life, loss, family, death, responsibility and friendship. Wolverine as a person is actually a really sad, depressing person and the film gives you a chance to see his point of view. He's a man who is defined by loss. Loss of his friends, family, memories, etc. The thing that would actually make the movie more depressing is if his healing factor kept working, because then he'd keep running like an animal while his friends and family are killed. It would ultimately be a totally pointless film if he was still the wolverine from the previous films and he couldn't be hurt at all. If there was no professor X and if DOFP was never made, then I think Logan would be a film that you would be able to enjoy more. Its existence in the X-men canon however, disrupts the optimistic tone of the previous film and can ruin your enjoyment of it if you know what follows next.
 
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Geist-

Member
Logan is a masterpiece as far as I'm concerned, but I do have one minor nitpick.
How the hell is Laura going to grow in the future when her bones are made of adamantium?
 
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Ninjimbo

Member
Yeah, it really is forced nonsense to make a sad story about Logan. It's pulled off effectively, but it's a kick in the face to people who are invested in the universe.

OP's reaction kinda reminds me of a Chrono Trigger fan when they first play Chrono Cross. Great game for sure. Just be ready for some bullshit lol.
 
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