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Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power, new teaser trailer
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Spaceman292
Banned
Looks nice honestly
TBiddy
Member
That's the internet for you. I don't understand it either.
That said, the show looks great. I hope it can live up to the hype!
sol_bad
Member
It's due to black Dwarves and hairless female dwarves.
BaneIsPain
Member
And last of all the mounting wave, green and cold and plumed with foam, climbing over the land, took to its bosom Tar-Miriel the Queen, fairer than silver or ivory or pearls
TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
Some of the diversity changes really conflict with Tolkien's canon as a primarily European High Fantasy. Beardless female dwarves, black people. It's not incredibly racist, but the people most upset by it are in the same demographic that usually gets labeled as racist/homophobic/alt right/whatever.
But I mean, if we're breaking canon, we should probably note the absence of Tom Bombadil in FotR, or the entire last act of TTT, where Sam knowingly winks at the audience with the line "by all rights, we shouldn't be here, Mr. Frodo," or you know, any of the alterations Peter Jackson made. He doesn't get shit for it because in spite of the changes, his trilogy (the first one, anyway) was fucking amazing, from special effects, to casting, acting, wardrobe, cinematography, sound design, and music.
This show LOOKS good, and it definitely has the money to do so. It's either going to be so good that it pulls a Peter Jackson and is forgiven for it's twisting of the lore, or it's going to be a dumpster fire of forced diversity and nods and tips of the hat to their target demographic of people who probably petition online to remove Orcs from canon because they look like black people if you drink an entire bottle of whiskey, turn your head and squint your eyes. And are an idiot.
We'll see.
killatopak
Member
I mean the whole show is entirely out of canon. Isn’t everything just made up and not in the books? At least the Peter Jackson films plot is actually based on the books.
They really need to hit it out of the park for this to satisfy JRRT fans.
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jezhumphrey75
Banned
was that lenny henry at the start? lol....shame there gonna spoil it with cocks and boobies.
Kev Kev
Member
There is no nudity in this series. The creators already debunked that rumor.
jezhumphrey75
Banned
oh really, get in, can watch it with the family then )
Ulysses 31
Member
The big liberties taken with the source material and seemingly going against canon. Creators saying modern day world needs to be reflected in the show and all the diversity and inclusion talking points being brought up first before even the story in superfans trailers.
Tams
Member
Clearly forced diversity (read that dumpster fire that the Vanity Fair article is or watch the 'superfans' reaction video). It's very clear what they are going for.
The showrunners having barely any previous work, and what they do being shite.
Galadriel being some sort of warrior princess.
Lenny Henry's an alright actor. I've no problem with him being a hobbit. His reasoning for taking the role can take a hike though.
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Yoboman
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Nerd clickbaiters needing views
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I don't think it is a race thing, I think it has more to do with people believing that something they love will be adapted faithfully. I don't care what color the dwarves are, I would like the women to have beards...that is a point in the books.
Kssio_Aug
Member
I'm really looking forward to this! Without a doubt the new TV Show I'm most excited about.
Please be good!
And I think all this anteciptaded hating is totally unnecessary, even among people who are not optimistic about it. I mean, it's not as if this TV Shows is going to rewrite Tolkien's books... if it turns out being a disappointment, people can just ignore it and move on with their lives as if it never existed.
Please be good!
And I think all this anteciptaded hating is totally unnecessary, even among people who are not optimistic about it. I mean, it's not as if this TV Shows is going to rewrite Tolkien's books... if it turns out being a disappointment, people can just ignore it and move on with their lives as if it never existed.
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ManaByte
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Bullshit. The people bitching about brown people in this show are the same who do this shit with Star Wars:
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RJMacready73
Banned
Can those guys ever really be satisfied?
Yoboman
Member
Bruh is this realBullshit. The people bitching about brown people in this show are the same who do this shit with Star Wars:
ManaByte
Member
Yup. Even caused Lucasfilm and Ewan McGregor to respond, and then the person who did it played the victim card and claimed she was being attacked and “punched down” on.
killatopak
Member
Casual fans will. Hardcore fans probably won’t. Lots of stuff are cut in the transition to video format from books. Some are okay with it but others are a stickler to detail.
I think of it like this.
Game of Thrones season 1-5 is like the Peter Jackson films.
Game of Thrones season 6-8 is the Rings of Power.
Basically, the first one has basis and plot to fall back on that is tested through time.
The second one is entirely made by the show runners and is a massive gamble.
Only this time, instead of being the end of the story, Ring of Power is the prequel.
Kssio_Aug
Member
I kinda understand what you mean, but I sure expect this to be way better than GoT Season 8.
What Benioff and Weiss did to the end of GoT was incredibly fucked up... felt almost like a prank. I still can't believe they were capable to drop the ball that hard unintentionally. This type of fuck up is definitely not the rule.
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captainnapalm
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I have an extention to see dislikes on Youtube and the video in the OP has 1k likes to 17k dislikes. Lol. I wonder if the official trailer will fare much better.
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SJRB
Gold Member
Bullshit. The people bitching about brown people in this show are the same who do this shit with Star Wars:
...what the fuck
Soapbox Killer
Grand Nagus
Man I was asking the same thing. This shit looks dope and epic!!
I don't know anything about the "Lore of the Rings" but if adding in black people is this much of a problem for people I don't know what to say to people. 20 years ago when the OG trilogy came out and there were no black people in it I noticed but it was true to the source so whatever. Now... ain't no excuses, it's all made up in a made up world. I doesn't have to be forced but or shoved in our faced to make a point but it shouldn't be such a glaring omission either.
Jinzo Prime
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But that's just it, Lord of the Rings wasn't made 20 years ago, it was made 68 years ago. The world that Tolkien created was based on Celtic, Germanic, and Greek history and was painstakingly detailed to the point were every race, character, and location has it's own history, language and culture. The reason that people get upset about these modern inclusions is that it breaks the continuity of that well researched and very detailed fictional world in an inelegant way.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
How are they STILL doing teasers? It looks good though
Trogdor1123
Member
It does. They did a great job with this one
Kamina
Golden Boy
This exactly.
People are too quick to call the racsim card, All the fans want is continuity with the established lore and history of the story.
Black Elves and Dwarves don’t exit, so it feels forced for many. Nobody would complain in any way if half of the human cast was black.
Worst offender for many people is the part were Galadriel dons Plate-armor and travels the land. This didnt happen, she is a queen not an adventurer.
Yes, all things alone for themselves are small issues, but fans of lore accuracy are upset with the complete picture.
Yes, there are many people that don’t care so much for accuracy, and thats fine, but pulling the card of „every dislike is due to racism“ is just poor and dismissive.
It is fine to have different tastes.
Lady Jane
Banned
I don't care that this exists. It's fan-fiction written by Amazon of all companies. There is no reality where that isn't going to be insulting. The only thing that gets under my skin are people who are treating it as an extension to Tolkien's work. It's as valuable as the fan-fiction in a random LotR forum. Just because Amazon threw a few million at their stories doesn't give it more credit.
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swaffles23
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J.R.R Tolkien is spinning in his grave at mach 10 speeds
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He sold the movie rights for cheap....so he doesn't care...his family though, they care.
Kev Kev
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Tolkien couldn’t make up his mind about what he wanted his world to be. In fact he had written entire redrafts of a lot of the lore, but he died before he could finish his work.
ManaByte
Member
Plot twist: The family is the one who sold the rights to Amazon to adapt the Silmarillion.
This has nothing to do with the movie rights, which were just for the full text of LOTR (including the appendices). The Hobbit was more complex. The book was included in the movie rights with LOTR, but MGM had distribution rights for any movie made based on it.
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I know, they want to get paid....
ManaByte
Member
And now all of that's being published. The funny thing is that the dead Tolkien has published something like eight books since A Dance With Dragons came out.
Lady Jane
Banned
That's not the entire story. He sold the movie rights with full confidence that his son, Christopher, will make sure his work is respected. The rest of the family waited like vultures for Christopher to die and they got their wish in 2020. They wasted no time and this show is just the beginning. Get ready to see more movies and shows in the next decade.
He made a good decision to give Christopher the reins of the IP. Tolkien did everything he could to save his work for as long as possible. A man can't predict two generations ahead. It is what it is.
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Soapbox Killer
Grand Nagus
Change is inevitable
I get what you guys are saying but once this became Amazon's Lord of the Rings and not Tolkien's it stop being an adaptation and became an interpolation. This is not Shirley Bassey's Diamonds Are Forever, This is the Kanye West Sample and Remix of Diamonds are Forever Featuring Jay -Z (maybe not the best analogy). As far as I know, there were no people of color in the source material sure, but there is NO source material for this so I expect some liberties to make the 70+ years of established stories just a touch more modern. I don't remember this type of hate for the black folks in the Hobbit movies...possibly because they are mediocre or I perhaps wasn't listening.
I get it though, I was pissed about how The Last Jedi portrayed Luke Skywalker and that's just as fake as this but I am not invested in LOTR like I was Star Wars.
I just hope the diversity makes sense. If it's anything like wheel of time where tiny villages isolated for 2000 years have more diversity than a starbucks on manhattan, then that will break my immersion to a level where I might struggle to enjoy it.
Tolkien was a world builder. Everything about middle earth was meticulously sculpted. If they ignore that in favor of current day sensibilities, it will be a shame.
I try to stay hopeful, but I have my doubts. They could do something clever and introduce cultures of middle earth we've heard little about, but it's more likely they're just going color blind.
Tolkien was a world builder. Everything about middle earth was meticulously sculpted. If they ignore that in favor of current day sensibilities, it will be a shame.
I try to stay hopeful, but I have my doubts. They could do something clever and introduce cultures of middle earth we've heard little about, but it's more likely they're just going color blind.
ManaByte
Member
Bull-fucking-shit.
Tolkien sold the film rights to United Artists in 1969 because he needed money to pay a tax bill and because he believed the books were unfilmable and no one would ever be able to actually make movies of them. UA made a feeble attempt at getting a movie off the ground in 1970, but couldn't do it so they offloaded the film rights to Saul Zaentz in 1976. Tolkien Enterprises/Middle Earth Productions was Zaentz and they're who licensed the books to Rankin/Bass for the 1977 Hobbit movie and Ralph Bakshi for the 1978 LOTR movie.
New Line bought the rights out from Zaentz in 1998 so Jackson could start filming his trilogy in 1999.
It had nothing to do with Christopher preserving the work. Hell, the Estate and Christopher had NOTHING to do with the New Line movies and even sued New Line over them. It's all because Tolkien needed money for taxes.
Lady Jane
Banned
This is not accurate. Christopher approved the deal. He didn't sue them for the movies being made. He sued them because New Line Cinema moved around money so it wouldn't have a high profit (only high revenue), thus the Tolkien estate received less money on profit percentage.
Yes, Tolkien approved the money to help on taxes, thus to protect his own estate and family's future, but he also did this knowing he was giving Christopher control.
ManaByte
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Except Christopher had zero control. The only thing the Estate controls when it comes to adaptations is the Silmarillion. Christopher and the Estate had zero say in anything Jackson did with his movies because the rights are 100% controlled by whoever has the film rights.
Jackson could've made a LOTR movie with puppets and gore like Meet the Feebles and Christopher could just scream into the void.
Jinzo Prime
Member
Lord of the Rings is in an entirely different boat than Diamonds are Forever or Star Wars, though. It is the godfather of all modern fantasy and is considered one of the best books ever written, period. People have been remixing LotR for generations, but their unique takes are usually not called Lord of the Rings. If this was Dungeons and Dragons: Ring of Power, I wouldn't have a problem with it, but once you put that title in front of your show, it comes with certain expectations.