Hudo
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I heard rumors that DQ12 is also gonna be a UE5 game...
Lords of The Fallen "dev" says the game was originally made for Unreal 4. Unreal Engine 5 broke the game
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Freeman76
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Why didnt they just stick to UE4 then?
Sorry but this stuff seems so pathetic. "We are sorry we released a broken game, its not our fault its the engines fault, even though we knew it wasnt working we still used it anyway".
Also, tell us this BEFORE we buy it, dont stay quiet and wait until you have peoples money, then come up with excuses.
As others have said, gaming really is in poor shape these days. We actually celebrate a game that wasnt released with a battle pass or a road map of fixes. Its some sorry shit.
Sorry but this stuff seems so pathetic. "We are sorry we released a broken game, its not our fault its the engines fault, even though we knew it wasnt working we still used it anyway".
Also, tell us this BEFORE we buy it, dont stay quiet and wait until you have peoples money, then come up with excuses.
As others have said, gaming really is in poor shape these days. We actually celebrate a game that wasnt released with a battle pass or a road map of fixes. Its some sorry shit.
Haint
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CDPR's engine runs at 1440p/40fps with last gen assets and textures on an $1800 100TF GPU that's probably faster than a PS6 or Xbox Series Z. It took them 3 years and $120 million dollars of post release patches to get their dumpster fire in an acceptable state. It's literally impossible for UE5 to be worse if AA devs are managing to release mostly competent games with 11th hour engines swaps.
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Shits_McGiggles
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Could you elaborate on their gripes with the engine? Curious to know what issues UE5 brings to the table.
BbMajor7th
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Fucking mess. Once again, management taking the 'offer me solutions' approach and assuming if they will it hard enough, things will work out.
UE5 is clearly way too heavy for current gen consoles. Lies of P devs were right to stick with UE4, not everyone loves the game's mechanics, but ain't no-one bitching about the presentation or performance.
UE5 is clearly way too heavy for current gen consoles. Lies of P devs were right to stick with UE4, not everyone loves the game's mechanics, but ain't no-one bitching about the presentation or performance.
kruis
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That $120 million turned the current version of Cyberpunk 2077 in the best looking game on the planet if you turn on all the RT bells and whistles. It's also perfectly optimized for multi-core cpus from both AMD and Intel.
CDPR made the mistake of creating a next gen game for last gen consoles and that bit them in the ass. But now that they've got their next gen game engine running smoothly it would be a mistake to throw away that multi year investment in their 3D engine.
Hudo
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I didn't get too far into details since I only talked to them for like 20 minutes or so before I had to leave but the biggest thing I talked about with one guy was that apparently Epic have rolled out their internal physics handler for UE5 instead of using PhysX (as UE4 does) and that new handler is a lot worse (less stable for fine-grade collisions and also not as performant), so they had to redo their whole optimization process again. Another chimed in (but he was more of a "producer") saying that Epic specifically stated that there is "rock-solid" backwards compatibility with UE4 projects. They couldn't move any of their UE4 stuff over without shit braking. Be it simple stuff where nodes in their Blueprints weren't there anymore, to more specific stuff like external libraries not working at all (causing segfaults). And one guy also talked to me about how his sound-system he created (based off raytracing to do 3D surround sound and to compute hall-effects and "damped" sound through walls etc.) performed way worse, to the point where it wasn't in-sync anymore with the current frame. Another said that he programmed in some movement-registration algorithm for a VR project that refused to work the HMDs they had used before (some version of Vive Pro or Pro Eye, I don't remember).
But again, it was only like 20 minutes of conversation before I had to move on. If you look at the sub-reddit, people are essentially busting your balls if you even entertain the idea of not upgrading to UE5 since "UE5 is UE4 but better in every regard", according to the people there. I haven't touched UE5 myself as of yet, only dabbled with it superficially. But that will change fairly soon and I am already dreading it...
I guess it could be worse. Like having to convert your shit from Unity to Unreal... that must be all sorts of hell.
ChuckeRearmed
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Is any UE5 game that is released and runs good?
Skifi28
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Horseganador
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UE5 is too heavy for current consoles, better results are obtained using UE4.
Hudo
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Isn't that Mars walking-sim by this famous voice actor guy using UE5? Didn't hear any complaints there. But that could also be because no one's playing it...
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Well I can imagine that there where obstacles with the switch , sometimes epic even remove old functions. I had projects that I work on at home even break from UE5 versions , like going from 5.1 to 5.2.
I can also imagine if you are not using , nanite objects, lumen and world partition because you started as UE 4 game, you could see a reduction in performance. As this is the way UE5 runs best, this is Epics vision.
I think they needed more time .
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kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
Some of the worst performing PC games in the past couple of years were made using UE4: Gotham Knights, Redfall, Star Wars Jedi Survivor ...
Most here think that it is the engine that makes the games ..
But that is just a Tool, ever seen those ultra realistic car drawings in Microsoft Paint … in MS paint ..
Sadly there are stakeholders everywhere.. and deadlines .
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Shifty1897
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I don't think there's a problem with UE5 so much as there's a problem with upgrading from UE4 to UE5 halfway through development. You're seeing all these issues with UE5 games because no one has had time to make a game in UE5 from the ground up yet.
Whether this is true or not, this whole situation reminded me of Cyberpunk, three years ago. Developers who know the game simply isn't ready being forced by some higher ups to release it to not miss the holiday season (even though in this period the competition is generally the fiercest), when delaying it just a few months could really help the public perception of the product, which will probably in turn lead to better sales in the longer run.
It's a very short sighted approach, and I feel for the devs who will now likely be forced to crunch to right the ship.
It's a very short sighted approach, and I feel for the devs who will now likely be forced to crunch to right the ship.
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the_master
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Everything you said is wrong.
Cyberpunk launched with problems vecause of production.
Maintaining UE5 on a AAA is also very costly, as unreal releses frequent updates that break your stuff but keep adding some features tou may need.
Unreal means most of their engine team left the company.
UE5 is not a generation head of anything. Red engine looks greats and provides several unique features. Red engine was constantly worked on like every other AAA engine and it gets better non stop.
Hudo
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I think this is important to emphasize. Epic Games are very good at marketing and giving cool names to features that aren't that new or singular to UE (like Lumen or Nanite). Now, I don't want to trash Unreal Engine but it's not like other engines are lagging behind in any way. id's very own id Tech is anything but lagging behind. Frostbite is also pretty much up-to-date. Capcom's RE Engine, while not implementing stuff like path tracing or dynamic LOD like UE, is just awesome at scaling toward lower-end hardware while still looking good and running well. That's one of the areas where Unreal Engine sucks ass and has sucked ass since UE4.
Look at the lighting solutions implemented in the Gran Turismo engine, that is by no means lagging behind anything Epic are doing. And of course Naughty Dog's and Insomniac's engines (maybe they share some code base?) are also on par with Unreal. And I'd say, from a feature point of view, Red engine is also on par with the current version of Unreal Engine.
What you get when you buy into Epic's solutions is that they (hopefully) have your asset pipeline figured out for you, they will take care to evolve the engine for you and have tools surrounding the engine (UE Editor is the most famous and integral one) ready. They have multiplatform support and build tools ready for you. But shit still breaks, you still have to have a team of programmers trying to fit your "vision" into UE5 and maintain it and "baby sit" the engine from time to time. But if you're a paying customer, you get support from Epic and Epic acts as your "R&D" department that gives you an engine that is fairly up-to-date with the progress in graphics.
That being said, UE5 isn't a solution that fits all needs. For some types of games and some types of projects, it's much less of a pain to just roll out your own shit.
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Buggy Loop
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Yup
Every games now mentioning they are UE5 kind of triggers me. That fucking engine is plagued with stutters
Cyberpunk's RedEngine with overdrive path tracing as of now is the most impressive tech in the market. It performs as you expect it to with a huge range of hardware on PC.
I'm telling you, next Witcher game with UE5 will be a fucking mess
Dr.brain64
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They sell you a game where this is a thing?? Crazy if true.
StreetsofBeige
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Made using Unreal Engine 5!!!*
*But nobody here knows how to use it
CamHostage
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The guys who make the marketing are not the guys who have to actually do all the work and deal with all of the problems of what's being marketed.
(*Also, this is not an official comment from Hexworks about the struggles of the studio and frustrations with the engine choice. There's bound to be more to the story, positive or negative, even if this is true.)
Elfstar
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Lies of P, apparently.
Braag
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Uses UE4 actually
Miyazaki’s Slave
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I played the game for about 2 hours last night. I didn't run into any technical issues on my end (albeit I don't play multiplayer in any games) but I was really turned off by the animation clipping at the end of attacks, world interaction points (the Gloom statues for example), and the overall movement for the character. These honestly looked and felt like animation blending from a new team who are just getting their feet under themselves (which I guess, they are). Other elements of the game felt very polished (UI, inventory management, control response, etc.), so to see the amount of issues with the animation system was a surprise. It wasn't enough to put me off from the game but I did stop playing and don't think I will go back.
I, personally, found the game to be boring from the gameplay mechanics side of things. I am sure it opens up the longer you play but the 2 hours wasn't enough to keep me engaged until later systems came on line.
I, personally, found the game to be boring from the gameplay mechanics side of things. I am sure it opens up the longer you play but the 2 hours wasn't enough to keep me engaged until later systems came on line.
S0ULZB0URNE
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Thread title needs changing.
4 chan isn't official.
4 chan isn't official.
This happens with every unreal release. Unreal killed silicon knights. They even tried to sue. Every new release it is buggy, doesn't have enough documentation, and devs have to figure it out. The majority of them are likely used to using whatever resolution has been done 100s of times before then in ue4 and now no longer exists. Ue 5 will be fine the second go around.
proandrad
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It's probably the leadership that isn't actually coding the game that makes the decision.
lh032
I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
- CiGames and HexWorks got too ambitious and decided to upgrade to UE5 in 2022. This is shown in their marketing campaign with Collector's Edition (Im assuming it's because the game was marketed as a AAA game)
- No one in the team had the experience to work properly on UE5 as it was a new engine.
lol this is sooo dumb if this is true.
Draugoth
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