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[dyls]

Maybe..really, who knows? Could be that Miles and Co found more of them and removed them, they were there for a while (even welding shit onto the plane).



I would've loved to see the fan reaction where the plane blows up as it's flying over Jack's body :lol .

I would have loved it

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as long as Lapidus parachuted to safety.

 

[water_wendi]

NANOMACHINES ELECTROMAGNETISM

Total bullshit! Lost led me around for 6 years teasing me with scientific answers regarding souls, ghosts, intelligent smoke and time travel. Fucking waste of time. If you cant explain the afterlife, DONT FUCKING FEATURE IT!

 

[gdt]

"EM" doesn't begin to explain what the light was. It was described that way by scientists who observed that it had electromagnetic properties. What, exactly, it is will be something that is never concretely answered. It's intentionally meant to be vague and left to the viewer. But it's clearly something more than a scientific phenomena, related to (as Mother put it and as insinuated by the finale with the light through the door) "life, death and rebirth"

Yep, The Light seems to give off EM.

I'm also thinking The Light is what they were walking to at the end.

"Life death, and rebirth."

 

[Sir Hamish]

Nice, I like this. So basically, the worst possible scenario occurred:

Mother was hoping for a single, special child, but got two: one faithful, normal child, and one curious, special child.

The special child (MIB) left Mother and the faithful child (Jacob) stayed.

MIB discovers the light via the well, Mother forced to choose a protector (the faithful but normal Jacob)

Instead of having one complete protector of the island, there is the maligned weapon and the now-special protector, who, to make matters worse, hate each other.

Interesting. Duality in LOST is a great thing to ponder.

Yeah thats basically it. They are basically two sides to the same coin.

I think the idea is that the guardian is meant to be someone wise, loving, or possibly caring. But they are meant to understand their job. The Egyptian carvings in one of the episodes depicts the smoke monster facing off against Anubis, the egyptian god of death, which implies they saw the guardian/smoke monster as a protective rather than destructive force. Remember they also had the panel for summoning the smoke monster? And the hieroglyphics translated into something like 'to summon protection', which also suggests that the Egyptians had a more symbiotic relationship with the guardian on the island.

What has happened in the case of Jacob and the MIB is that their strange views of the human race, a result of their upbringins, have made them mentally unprepared for the task of becoming guardians. Like letting one of the kids teach the class at school. When they both have equal share of the power, with Jacob forcing the MIB to stay on the island, they begin to hate each other and both begin to use humans as pawns in a game designed to prove the other wrong. This leads to the island becoming a physical and spiritual battleground.

 

[Jocchan]

Total bullshit! Lost led me around for 6 years teasing me with scientific answers regarding souls, ghosts, intelligent smoke and time travel. Fucking waste of time. If you cant explain the afterlife, DONT FUCKING FEATURE IT!

Don't tell me, I wanted to know how I could stop aging. I would have done it immediately! Damn you Darlton!

 

[oatmeal]

"Jacob took MIB's body from him. That means that the Smoke Monster is still MIB.

Not to be obtuse, but I feel like the Egyptian stuff kind of points to the fact that the smoke monster predated Jacob/MIB, and that, just like Locke, Jacob delivered him a nice body for him to steal the likeness of.

Unless there are more than one smoke monster, which is possible, depending on how you view the mother.

I don't think the smoke monster trying to get off the island is an MIB-only character trait. Everyone wants off that island.

 

[Jocchan]

By the way, Titus Welliver (or was it Mark Pellegrino?) seemed to think Crazed Mom had Smokey powers in Across the Sea (not that it matters much, I doubt they know anything more than us, but at least it's a quite widespread theory). It was in the 5/18 Totally Lost episode.

 

[surrogate]

Yeah thats basically it. They are basically two sides to the same coin.

I think the idea is that the guardian is meant to be someone wise, loving, or possibly caring. But they are meant to understand their job. The Egyptian carvings in one of the episodes depicts the smoke monster facing off against Anubis, the egyptian god of death, which implies they saw the guardian/smoke monster as a protective rather than destructive force. Remember they also had the panel for summoning the smoke monster? And the hieroglyphics translated into something like 'to summon protection', which also suggests that the Egyptians had a more symbiotic relationship with the guardian on the island.

What has happened in the case of Jacob and the MIB is that their strange views of the human race, a result of their upbringins, have made them mentally unprepared for the task of becoming guardians. Like letting one of the kids teach the class at school. When they both have equal share of the power, with Jacob forcing the MIB to stay on the island, they begin to hate each other and both begin to use humans as pawns in a game designed to prove the other wrong. This leads to the island becoming a physical and spiritual battleground.

Someone should tell Hurley that he is supposed to dive into the cave and become Smoke in order to be a proper island protector.

 

[Jocchan]

Someone should tell Hurley that he is supposed to dive into the cave and become Smoke in order to be a proper island protector.

He'd probably get stuck in the opening

 

[Archaix]

Not to be obtuse, but I feel like the Egyptian stuff kind of points to the fact that the smoke monster predated Jacob/MIB, and that, just like Locke, Jacob delivered him a nice body for him to steal the likeness of.

Unless there are more than one smoke monster, which is possible, depending on how you view the mother.

I don't think the smoke monster trying to get off the island is an MIB-only character trait. Everyone wants off that island.

Well, I do agree that the explanation lies in multiple smoke monsters. It's happened before, even if not to Mother, because she knew what waited for somebody who went into the cave. The image we saw in the carving was either of somebody who went into the cave long before Jacob/MIB were born, or as a depiction of the power itself and not necessarily any individual harnessing it. Much like the existence of Mother tells us Jacob wasn't the first protector, I think it also tells us that his brother wasn't the first in his role.

 

[oatmeal]

Well, I do agree that the explanation lies in multiple smoke monsters. It's happened before, even if not to Mother, because she knew what waited for somebody who went into the cave. The image we saw in the carving was either of somebody who went into the cave long before Jacob/MIB were born, or as a depiction of the power itself and not necessarily any individual harnessing it.

I think we can both agree that it's not ENTIRELY clear. It makes for good discussion, though. As there is pieces of evidence for both sides.

It's a better argument than "They dyed on the plain crash!!!1"

 

[Anton Sugar]

Exactly, MiB is the victim. The only person we know of him killing in his pre-Smokey days is the crazy bitch who murdered his mother and a village of people, lied and held him prisoner. Why would he or any other rational human being believe anything she said?

So now we have Jacob in his infinite stupidity lash out at the poor guy who finally snapped and killed his oppressor.

Maybe that's why Jack was laughing...

I think the reasoning behind the MIB being evil relates to how he views humans. He sees us as bad, selfish, manipulative etc etc. If he left the island before he became the smoke monster that would have been fine, he could have sat around hating on humans all he wanted, but after he became the smoke monster leaving the island became a problem because he now has significant power and its quite possible that this power, coupled with his view of the human race would lead to a slaughter.

I guess its like how Hitler hated lots of ethnic groups, Jews etc. He didn't wake up in the morning and say 'haha I'm going to do something evil', but he did see them as bad in much the same way as the MIB sees all humans as bad. Look what happened when Hitler gained power?

Fair enough. You should write for the Lost Encyclopedia!

 

[Jocchan]

The image we saw in the carving was either of somebody who went into the cave long before Jacob/MIB were born, or as a depiction of the power itself and not necessarily any individual harnessing it.

Or it came after MIB became Smokey. Remember the Egyptian hieroglyphs near the donkey wheel (and we know he built it after becoming Smokey).

 

[surrogate]

He'd probably get stuck in the opening

I'm sure he could make a rule that no matter how much he eats he will continue to lose weight until he can fit.

 

[jett]

Interesting. Duality in LOST is a great thing to ponder.

Speaking of duality, Jacob died covered in flames, Smokey died covered in rain.

 

[Archaix]

Or it came after MIB became Smokey. Remember the Egyptian hieroglyphs near the donkey wheel (and we know he built it after becoming Smokey).

It's possible. I interpreted AtS as telling us that the Island has been around forever, though, and that much of its history is something that nobody will ever know. Mother only passed along so much information to Jacob. Jacob passed along even less to Jack. Before Mother, who knows how many steps were in that line of succession, each with less and less of the original story told. Somewhere along the line, that temple was built and all of the Egyptian carvings were left on the Island.

The Temple and Egyptian motif were left before Jacob took over, much like the remnants of Dharma were left before Hurley took over. It was another mark on the Island from a previous protector and the civilizations that lived under him/her.

 

[Zeliard]

I was just stating that I didn't necessarily expect there to be so many 'open ended' mysteries when the show also had 'closed mysteries'. I guess I just tend to prefer one method to the other.

Also, on the subject of mysteries, some people seem to be shocked that the majority of LOST viewers haven't been hawkishly following internet discussion/explanation about the show.

For people inside LOST threads many things are clear, and have been answered.

But plenty of people didn't consume the show that way, and are therefore left with way more mysteries then the 'hardcore' fan.

Well, a lot of the smaller stuff was answered, certainly. And I think that's cool. That's where we get the concrete, factual info from in order to start considering some of the bigger things that they've left open. They gave us some pieces of the puzzles - the others are up to us to shape out based on personal interpretation, and we ultimately combine the two to arrive at an answer to the mystery.

For example, there's no concrete explanation as to how in the world electromagnetism is related to the island's powers and Smokey and such. Was Smokey somehow science-based? It's still very possible. Big clue: you have Desmond getting doused with Widmore's electromagnetic machine in the same way as the magical pool that Smokey fell into started electrifying him, so what's up with that, exactly? That's one of the clues, but there's no answer other than what you fashion out.

People think the show answered the science vs. faith question but I'm not quite so sure. I read one rather excellent theory in particular that posited a more (pseudo)-scientific answer to the ending of Lost, and what it all meant, etc, and it fits beautifully. And I think this has been of the great successes of the show - interpretations can run the gamut now, but none of them are necessarily "wrong."

I can perfectly understand why this simply doesn't jive with some, and why some people did want a concrete answer to Lost's Big Questions. But I like the way they've done it more, because there's more possibility for creativity. The theories surrounding Lost have frequently been more interesting than the actual answers we ended up getting, and there's nothing unusual about that since you had millions of people giving those some thought versus one small group of writers on the show.

 

[Jocchan]

Speaking of duality, Jacob died covered in flames, Smokey died covered in rain.

They both died after getting their ass kicked.

 

[Sir Hamish]

Speaking of duality, Jacob died covered in flames, Smokey died covered in rain.

well spotted, thats pretty cool

 

[water_wendi]

They both died after getting their ass kicked.

Well MiB fought for his life, Jacob did not.

MAKING SHIT UP!

 

[Solid Moustache]

Fuck the polar bear, what about Hurley Bird?

In the DVD extras.. it will be answered.


I'm 100% certain it was jacob.

 

[gdt]

Speaking of duality, Jacob died covered in flames, Smokey died covered in rain.

Cool.

 

[chase]

But I do take issue with pat (albiet entertaining) stuff like that being paraded around as if it represents an honest appraisal of the show. Most of that stuff was either answered or never intended to be an actual driving mystery to carry through the entire show.

Some questions that people pull out of there ass are pointless and have no real bearing on the understanding on the plot. What's Vito Corleone's cats name? Where did he get it? How did Don Barzini take over that toll booth? Omg did Clemenza ever take care of the two assholes who assaulted the undertaker's daughter? We never got to see it. WTF happened between the last time we see Michael in Italy & him approaching Kay outside the school!? Did any of these "unanswered questions" ruin or take away from The Godfather? Of course not. Every single aspect of a story doesn't have to be explored complete detail. Yet some have come to expect this of LOST when they hold nothing else to such unrealistic standards. No narrative offers 100% exposistion, not one. If you're asking these types of questions you're totally missing the point.

These posts seem to me to basically be saying the same thing so I'll try to get my POV across with regard to both of them.

Just because something isn't a huge part of the overall story doesn't mean it can be ignored. As regards the Godfather examples, they don't really fit. His cat's name was not important to anything. Unlike, for example, the fact that Walt has special abilities and was presented as a large part of the show for a long time. As to Barzini taking over the toll booth, well, that is something that can be inferred because it takes place with real world rules. So, money or threats. You can't say the same about why the numbers seem to be cursed. It was the focus of Hurley's story for a while, but nothing came of it (so says Lostpedia). You can't do that. A better Godfather example is hypothetical: if Barzini made the original booth staff disappear with mystical music playing in the background and an eerie shot of the suddenly empty area, then appeared in the next shot inside the toll booth, you can bet your ass people would be wondering about it.

 

[Jocchan]

It's possible. I interpreted AtS as telling us that the Island has been around forever, though, and that much of its history is something that nobody will ever know. Mother only passed along so much information to Jacob. Jacob passed along even less to Jack. Before Mother, who knows how many steps were in that line of succession, each with less and less of the original story told.

Across the Sea and the cave from The End implied heavily that the island has been around forever. No one built/created it.
It's an island that happened to host large amounts of some energy that you can see as either electromagnetism or the source of life or whatever, but the truth is that it's all of them at the same time. Neither the science or faith explanation give the complete picture, you need both.
So, the island doesn't have origins.
Which means someone, probably an ancient civilization, found it, fucked up, had to put a cork before things went - literally - to hell, and had to choose guardians to make sure no one fucked up again (exactly like DHARMA with the hatch).
Crazed mom was one of them, exactly like Kelvin was when Desmond came to the island.
But unlike the hatch, this went on for so long that the traces of the origins got lost/forgotten, and are now meaningless.

In the DVD extras.. it will be answered.


I'm 100% certain it was jacob.

I think it was Hurley's mom, reincarnated into a bird and after travelling back in time.

 

[Anton Sugar]

What has happened in the case of Jacob and the MIB is that their strange views of the human race, a result of their upbringins, have made them mentally unprepared for the task of becoming guardians. Like letting one of the kids teach the class at school. When they both have equal share of the power, with Jacob forcing the MIB to stay on the island, they begin to hate each other and both begin to use humans as pawns in a game designed to prove the other wrong. This leads to the island becoming a physical and spiritual battleground.

Ahahaha, never thought of it like that. So the island was basically Jacob and MIB's own personalized checker board.

 

[Zeliard]

I still think that the Smokey/Anubis hieroglyphic is Lost's #1 mythological moment.

Just so evocative.

 

[Solid Moustache]

The entire island is protecting a god damned rock from being moved?

REALLY?

What was Desmond's "power"? Seeing the afterlife and thinking it was real?

You missed episode 11? His power was withstanding high amounts of EM radiation. Jack died of radiation poisoning and/or bleeding.

Almost destroying the island? So that Jack could undestroy it by putting the fucking rock back where it went?

You forgot the part where that was needed to kill the MIB

The entire flash sideways was a fake world that they had created? Than why did Faraday think he had set off the bomb? To trick us?

But he did. Also, for the 123428954289524950917592407594027529058249058902485th time it wasn't an atomic bomb, it was just the core, in other words just some fucking weak-ass TNT or nitroglycerin. Not a nuclear explosion. That WAS the incident, and the island flashed them to 2007 at that point because it needed them in 2007

Smoke monster died with an hour to go... gunshot wound via Kate?

Agreed. Jack should have stabbed him to death. Also the fight should have been a bit longer.

I guess Desmond moving the Rock undid the "rules" Jacob had set up so that he could be killed? So that Jack could die to put the island back where it went.

6.15 explained that jacob made his own rules. Jack didn't bothering doing any. At least I think that is

What a horseshit ending. Basis in science or even logic within the show my ass. They were making it up. The ending was completely pointless.

I liked it

FUCK

lol

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

I SO agree with this:

I can also see a scenario where these sideways storylines become more compelling knowing that they're an after-death invention of the characters. How much more interesting is it to know that Sayid didn't find himself worthy of the love of Nadia, instead letting his brother have her? How much more interesting is it that Locke wanted a good relationship with his dad but also apparently wanted him in a wheelchair at the local nursing home, unable to walk or talk because of something LOCKE did (not the reverse)? Even if you think this is a construction created by Hurley and Ben or one hallucinated by Jack, it becomes just as interesting, because you get a read on how those characters see all of the other characters. Potentially, and I won't know until August, mind, this could be the most psychologically rich season of the series.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2010/05/one-lost-tuesday-all-of-this-matters.html

GREAT read.

 

[Sir Hamish]

Ahahaha, never thought of it like that. So the island was basically Jacob and MIB's own personalized checker board.

Yeah basically. All the conflict between DHARMA and the others, ben and widmore, is a result of Jacob and the MIB using the island as a checker board, as a game, in an attempt to justify their views on humanity to the other, when in reality they should just be getting on with their jobs. So they are indirectly responsible for pretty much all the deaths in the series.

 

[Anton Sugar]

Speaking of duality, Jacob died covered in flames, Smokey died covered in rain.

Also interesting that Desmond (the failsafe), used the failsafe key to save the island. And he would have done it in The End, if Jack hadn't insisted that he was the one who needed to use the "key" to save the island.

Although that's not dualism, just a parallel, I guess

 

[PSGames]

Atleast someone understood the LOST Finale:

http://www.tmz.com/2010/05/26/sarah-silverman-lost-finale-jimmy-kimmel-comedian-funny-video/

:lol

Camera man didn't know what the fuck he was talking about however.

 

[JGS]

But think about it from his perspective. He's raised thinking they're the only people like themselves, that the island is special, and that Mother is their mother. She tells them that the light must be protected. They see other people, she immediately tells them they're bad.

And then he finds out she murdered her mother. Something like that would heavily call into question EVERYTHING she had told them.

Up until the end, it's never completely clear that MIB is an evil force that will destroy the world. All you have is what Jacob and a few others say. MIB never says he wants to destroy the world--he wants to get off the island.

I'm not bothered by the ambiguity, because the series was clearly leaning toward "faith" as the end theme, also requiring that the viewers have faith if they are to believe that the MIB was evil. I like that aspect, but going strictly from the evidence, all we have are people SAYING he'll destroy the world.

I understand his perspective and I might have empathized with it if all we had to go on was the one episode. However, even in that episode, he became no better than crazymom when he killed her. On top of that, he was killing people for the next couple of thousand years and wanting to kill his brother.

To me, he was clearly the bad guy and evil. Despite his words, he was perfectly fine with everyone dying as the price for his freedom. He had a bad childhood, but that is kind of irrelevant since Jacob had a bad one too, not to mention most of the Losties. Even Ben who was truly a vile character, redeemed himself despite hi upbringing. Why couldn't Smokey?

As an aside, I also think the ending mixed together sciance and faith more than any other time during the series.

 

[Jex]

I SO agree with this:



http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2010/05/one-lost-tuesday-all-of-this-matters.html

GREAT read.

Very nice!

I still disagree with the whole "fans on the internet have explained it" angle, because many viewers may not have been participating in the online discussion, and may not feel they need too. Ah well.

 

[gdt]

Shawn Ryan on #LOST finale: "You truly cannot please everyone. They addressed the things that were important to them & they should be happy"
less than a minute ago via web

Shawn Ryan about #LOST finale: "I for one really liked it."

.

 

[JGS]

Exactly, MiB is the victim. The only person we know of him killing in his pre-Smokey days is the crazy bitch who murdered his mother and a village of people, lied and held him prisoner. Why would he or any other rational human being believe anything she said?

So now we have Jacob in his infinite stupidity lash out at the poor guy who finally snapped and killed his oppressor.

The two aren't related. Being a victim has nothing to do with being the bad guy. Everyone on Lost was a victim of something.

In relation to why he was evil, he did not care what the results would be for his actions as long as he got off the island. He did not care about the people he was with. He was using them for their knowledge. He did not kill his crazymom because she killed his real mom. He kill her because she ruined his chances of escape.

Besides, just because Smokey had a bad childhood (Is anyone disputing this), it did not give him a right to have a vendetta against everyone/anyone. How is that a misunderstood character and not a bad guy?

 

[surrogate]

I understand his perspective and I might have empathized with it if all we had to go on was the one episode. However, even in that episode, he became no better than crazymom when he killed her. On top of that, he was killing people for the next couple of thousand years and wanting to kill his brother.

To me, he was clearly the bad guy and evil. Despite his words, he was perfectly fine with everyone dying as the price for his freedom. He had a bad childhood, but that is kind of irrelevant since Jacob had a bad one too, not to mention most of the Losties. Even Ben who was truly a vile character, redeemed himself despite hi upbringing. Why couldn't Smokey?

As an aside, I also think the ending mixed together sciance and faith more than any other time during the series.

Really? It isn't like he premeditated killing crazymom once he found out what she did to his real mother. He let it go and did what he could to try and get away from the island. He didn't snap until she committed mass murder on the villagers he was living with. Lets also not forget that crazymom deceived him and held him prisoner for all that time. IMO, he became evil because of his continued oppression at the hand of his mentally challenged brother.

 

[Jocchan]

I SO agree with this:



http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2010/05/one-lost-tuesday-all-of-this-matters.html

GREAT read.

Great read indeed.

 

[TheGreatDave]

Atleast someone understood the LOST Finale:

http://www.tmz.com/2010/05/26/sarah-silverman-lost-finale-jimmy-kimmel-comedian-funny-video/

:lol

Camera man didn't know what the fuck he was talking about however.

All her terrible content has been redeemed in my eyes.

 

[KevinCow]

I'm thinking of having a custom shirt made just for shits and giggles, but I can't decide which one I like better. Anyone want to offer their opinion?

 

[Zeliard]

^ I think I shot that guy in Red Dead.

 

[JDSN]

.

I think Shawn Ryan found a loophole cos The Shield's finale is one of the best ones ever.

 

[Sanjay]

Yeah, some of us already figured Mother was Smokey. But not really understood it, in the way Sir Hamis clarified it.

Ok this would make sense her being a smoke monster as she told Jacob to never go in there as its very bad, she would know as it changed her, her killing their real mother stone cold and killing the camp is enough proof of smokey like behavior and power and all.

So the Island is a prison to keep evil inside, unleash the cork and its unleashed and stuff will be bad from then on wards. Few things I don't understand is why was Jacobs fake mother a smoke monster but yet she wanted to protect the bright light cave while Lockes smoke monster wanted to unleash it, very contradicting.

 

[JGS]

Really? It isn't like he premeditated killing crazymom once he found out what she did to his real mother. He let it go and did what he could to try and get away from the island. He didn't snap until she committed mass murder on the villagers he was living with. Lets also not forget that crazymom deceived him and held him prisoner for all that time. IMO, he became evil because of his continued oppression at the hand of his mentally challenged brother.

You're proving my point. He wasn't concerned about crazymom killing real mom. He used that as an excuse for wanting to get off the island. He only killed crazymom (premeditated imo) when he lost his chance to leave. He knew no matter what, she would keep trying to stop him. Crazymom even let him live with the villagers for years. Again, it was only when the island was in danger that she acted against her son.

I'm sure there are all kinds of reasons he became evil. Don't forget that he became disillusioned with mankind when he had to go live with them, contrary to what ghostmom told him (To be with his people).

Smokey thought he was the smartest guy in the room and this prevented him from caring about anyone but himself, something he proved time and again until his completely justified death.

 

[Mifune]

I SO agree with this:



http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2010/05/one-lost-tuesday-all-of-this-matters.html

GREAT read.

Nice! I was waiting for Todd's take. His original review (linked in the piece) is really good, too.

 

[Anton Sugar]

So the Island is a prison to keep evil inside, unleash the cork and its unleashed and stuff will be bad from then on wards. Few things I don't understand is why was Jacobs fake mother a smoke monster but yet she wanted to protect the bright light cave while Lockes smoke monster wanted to unleash it, very contradicting.

Mother was protector + smoke monster.

MIB=only smoke monster
Jacob=only protector

It's a balance, yin/yang kinda thing.

 

[brandonh83]

I can not stop thinking about the finale. at all.

 

[Sir Hamish]

Ok this would make sense her being a smoke monster as she told Jacob to never go in there as its very bad, she would know as it changed her, her killing their real mother stone cold and killing the camp is enough proof of smokey like behavior and power and all.

So the Island is a prison to keep evil inside, unleash the cork and its unleashed and stuff will be bad from then on wards. Few things I don't understand is why was Jacobs fake mother a smoke monster but yet she wanted to protect the bright light cave while Lockes smoke monster wanted to unleash it, very contradicting.

The island isn't a prison for evil. The smoke monster is a weapon the guardian can use to defend the island and protect the light. She protected the cave because that's her job, and she presumably protected it using her smoke monster powers, but using those powers is a 'fate worse than death' because you loose your physical body and may loose your humanity.

Ah, Snrub beat me too it

 

[JGS]

Mother was protector + smoke monster.

MIB=only smoke monster
Jacob=only protector

It's a balance, yin/yang kinda thing.

I can't see crazymom as Smokey. I think she had powers like Jacob & MiB, but not powers like Smokey. The destruction didn't match up. Maybe she was some kind fire deity?

 

[Archaix]

I can't see crazymom as Smokey. I think she had powers like Jacob & MiB, but not powers like Smokey. The destruction didn't match up. Maybe she was some kind fire deity?

It's always possible that the light manifests itself in different ways for the host. Hurley, for example, clearly turned into a time traveling bird, or one outside time itself so as to be free to roam the Island at any point in its history and scream from the sky how awesome he was, is, and will be.

Spoiler

The fun part about not giving a good damn about answers is that you get to spout out shit like this and not care whether you're serious or not

 

[surrogate]

You're proving my point. He wasn't concerned about crazymom killing real mom. He used that as an excuse for wanting to get off the island. He only killed crazymom (premeditated imo) when he lost his chance to leave. He knew no matter what, she would keep trying to stop him. Crazymom even let him live with the villagers for years. Again, it was only when the island was in danger that she acted against her son.

I'm sure there are all kinds of reasons he became evil. Don't forget that he became disillusioned with mankind when he had to go live with them, contrary to what ghostmom told him (To be with his people).

Smokey thought he was the smartest guy in the room and this prevented him from caring about anyone but himself, something he proved time and again until his completely justified death.

He acted within his own self interest, the same as every other person who has ever lived. He was an abused child longing to be released from the prison (island) he was being held in by crazymom. To equate his murder of her with the atrocities she committed is ludicrous.

If I killed your mother, held you and your brother prisoner for over 30 years in my basement while telling you the flashlight shining in my sump pit was some special magic light, would you be ok with that? Or would you do everything you could to set yourself free?