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[ostrichKing]

So am I the only one unhappy with the ending not because it didn’t answer questions about the Island (I felt pretty satisfied with that stuff) but because it doesn’t really close the stories of any of the characters?

the positive reviews keep saying that its all about the characters and their redemption and coming to terms with their lives and “closing out their stories" but none of those things mean anything if it only happens once they’re dead.

The entire LA X timeline is one big “it’s all a dream” rug pull. who cares if John Locke has surgery to fix his legs if he’s not a corporeal entity?

yes, I get that it was needed for him to “let go” but all the emotion that the writers wanted to wring from us during those scenes as they originally aired was dishonest. Locke’s confession as to how he lost his legs in the alt timeline and how it mad his dad a vegetable.

not real.

Sun getting shot and at death’s door? omg. the tension!

nah, just fooling. she’s already dead.

Ben putting his daughter ahead of his own personal gain for once in his life?

doesn’t matter. he knows this is all a figment of his imagination now. she’s not real. he doesn’t have a second chance.

all the emotional beats - all the "character development" - that the writers attempted to add to the characters via this alt timeline in season 6 is complete bullshit. they’re dead.

and they ended up using Mr Exposition Man in the last 10 minutes of the show to explain all this.

ugh.

the last ten minutes of The End retroactively fucked up the entire 6th season.

No you are not alone...I am right there with you...I was perfectly content with how the Island mysteries and story resolved...the X timeline was ridiculous though...

 

[Dragon]

The entire LA X timeline is one big “it’s all a dream” rug pull. who cares if John Locke has surgery to fix his legs if he’s not a corporeal entity?

He needed to have his legs fixed before he could move on.

yes, I get that it was needed for him to “let go” but all the emotion that the writers wanted to wring from us during those scenes as they originally aired was dishonest. Locke’s confession as to how he lost his legs in the alt timeline and how it mad his dad a vegetable.

not real.

Yes it was.

Sun getting shot and at death’s door? omg. the tension!

nah, just fooling. she’s already dead.

It was how Jin and Sun found each other and their history.

Ben putting his daughter ahead of his own personal gain for once in his life?

doesn’t matter. he knows this is all a figment of his imagination now. she’s not real. he doesn’t have a second chance.

Except Ben is staying behind to be with Alex and Danielle.

all the emotional beats - all the "character development" - that the writers attempted to add to the characters via this alt timeline in season 6 is complete bullshit. they’re dead.

They needed the time in the sideways world in order to reconcile (or in some cases like Ben not reconcile) their lives up to this point before they could move on.

and they ended up using Mr Exposition Man in the last 10 minutes of the show to explain all this.

ugh.

the last ten minutes of The End retroactively fucked up the entire 6th season.

Believe what you want but I don't agree with you at all.

 

[pxleyes]

I think their ultimate point of connection was the characters and their shared experience. There's really nothing more to say than this.

I think he finally gets it!

 

[thekad]

Can I ask why GAF loves Eko so much? He did nothing for me at all. His backstory was enjoyable but his time on the island was a bore. I was ready for him to leave (die).

I liked the scenes with him and Locke though.

I really liked him the first go around, but now I can't help but see the douchebag actor behind the stick and cross.

 

[jon bones]

Question here: When Widmore told MiB that Desmond was Jacob's "last resort", a trump card to be used if all of Jacob's other Candidates were to die, what did he mean by this? How would Desmond stop him from leaving the island?

he can go down into the cave and pull the plug w/o dying (like all the skeletons who didn't make it)

that makes locke vulnerable to punches and guns

 

[CrankyJay]

Question here: When Widmore told MiB that Desmond was Jacob's "last resort", a trump card to be used if all of Jacob's other Candidates were to die, what did he mean by this? How would Desmond stop him from leaving the island?

My take is Desmond was the only person who could uncork the island...and when he did that MIB became vulnerable to physical attacks. Which is what happened.

 

[Orin GA]

I dont understand...I just cant....gah.

 

[Interfectum]

No you are not alone...I am right there with you...I was perfectly content with how the Island mysteries and story resolved...the X timeline was ridiculous though...

This. And the magic dildo cork being unplugged and replugged was pretty lol worthy.

 

[OneEightZero]

Previously On Lost

A MetaFilter link recap on everything Lost up the finale. For those who were curious about the history of Lost. ^_^

 

[ClosingADoor]

No you are not alone...I am right there with you...I was perfectly content with how the Island mysteries and story resolved...the X timeline was ridiculous though...

This. Jack's sacrifice didn't do shit for me now, since I already knew he would be ok. It would have been better to just let him die. The man of faith now who saved his friends, so they could live on.

 

[KevinCow]

I wonder what the island was like under Hurley's rule. Probably just really chill. Parties every day. Lots of fried chicken and hot pockets. Maybe he used his power to create fried chicken hot pockets.

 

[CrankyJay]

I think he finally gets it!

Hey, it doesn't mean I'm still not somewhat disappointed. I felt they could have answered a bit more.

 

[Dez]

Question here: When Widmore told MiB that Desmond was Jacob's "last resort", a trump card to be used if all of Jacob's other Candidates were to die, what did he mean by this? How would Desmond stop him from leaving the island?

Jacob figures destroying the island is better than letting mib leave. Desmond is the failsafe, just like he ended up being for the hatch. It also had the side effect of removing mibs powers, which allowed Jack to kill him

 

[Dragon]

This. Jack's sacrifice didn't do shit for me now, since I already knew he would be ok. It would have been better to just let him die. The man of faith now who saved his friends, so they could live on.

But the thing is, he wasn't "okay". He died on the island, and then found everyone afterwards.

 

[bachikarn]

Can I ask why GAF loves Eko so much? He did nothing for me at all. His backstory was enjoyable but his time on the island was a bore. I was ready for him to leave (die).

I liked the scenes with him and Locke though.

Did you watch it live? I can see him not having a huge impact if you were marathon'ing through the series. He was pretty badass. I remember GAF went on a frenzy when "he let the monster live." I always really liked him because the actor was really good and it seemed like every scene was well written, acted, and just powerful, even if they weren't that relevant. His talk with Michael right after Michael shot AL and Libby comes to mind.

I heard the actor demanded rewrites on a lot of his scenes. That is probably why they were well done. The actor was probably a dick, but it benefited the show ultimately.

 

[Solo]

It just occurred to me that in S1, Jack, Kate and Locke were the central characters, and in the finale, it took Kate and Jack to kill "Locke".

 

[pxleyes]

Hey, it doesn't mean I'm still not somewhat disappointed. I felt they could have answered a bit more.

That's fine though. Understanding where the writers are coming from though should make a LOT of people happier with the finale on the whole.

 

[BertramCooper]

So, I guess they move on and go to some sort of heaven. But what about Ben? He sits outside, does he stay in the X-world?

Linus' soul was simply not ready yet.

In addition to having significantly more blood on his hands than the others, he was still looking to be at peace with Alex. When he's ready, he will presumably pass on as well, but Ben still has a long way to go before he's reached that point.

 

[leroy hacker]

That you're right about. I admit I hadn't thought about it carefully enough to see how poorly their explanation stands up to detailed scrutiny.

Actually, I take this back.

IIRC there's no reason to think Eloise knew Desmond was coming into her shop that day or that she knew he would come in at all. So we don't need to assume she had the knowledge you think she did. All we're left with is the coincidence that Desmond tried to buy a ring from someone who knew his future, which is no more preposterous than any of the other coincidental meetings in Lost's plot.

 

[CrankyJay]

That's fine though. Understanding where the writers are coming from though should make a LOT of people happier with the finale on the whole.

LOL...I know...let me work my way through this...I may convert myself just yet.

 

[criesofthepast]

vs

Sayid made the right choice.

 

[threenote]

Hurley----Libby
Desmond-----Penny
C.Shep-----Jack
Sayid-----Shannon
Sawyer----Juliet
Charlie----Claire
Kate-----Claire's Vagina

 

[NinjaCodah]

I think even in this other world, it is a choice to move on. Sayid is convinced that he rejected corruption on the island and therefore is ready to move on. Maybe Michael will move on at some point, but not with the losties. He betrayed them, they certainly don't need him to move on

I do like that explanation.

 

[WyndhamPrice]

The morning after I am still just as satisfied by the finale. Way to go, Darlton.

 

[StoOgE]

I don't think any true fan of lost felt cheated by last night's finale.

awesome.. so now if we don't like the ending we were never really fans anyway.

Good to know.

 

[JGS]

Then what purpose did she serve in this "waiting room" universe?

I'm assuming you're not talking about the church waiting room because I didn't notice her there.

She was a part of Locke's life, not the entire group of Losties. Jack's son wasn't there either.

 

[Calcaneus]

Sucks that they couldn't get Eko. That would have been the best. I get the feeling that they probably tried to get him back more than once, but it just never worked out.

 

[criesofthepast]

Did you watch it live? I can see him not having a huge impact if you were marathon'ing through the series. He was pretty badass. I remember GAF went on a frenzy when "he let the monster live." I always really liked him because the actor was really good and it seemed like every scene was well written, acted, and just powerful, even if they weren't that relevant. His talk with Michael right after Michael shot AL and Libby comes to mind.

I heard the actor demanded rewrites on a lot of his scenes. That is probably why they were well done. The actor was probably a dick, but it benefited the show ultimately.

I did marathon it. Probably did play a part in me not getting too attached to him. His acting abilities are insane no doubt. I loved him on OZ.

 

[Yen]

Kinda sad Ben decided not to go in.

 

[big ander]

The whole series was complete gibberish. Confirmed by the cop-out ending.

Thanks for supporting your largely nonsensical opinion with reason.

Man, I'm still in love with this episode.

There are still people talking about plot holes. Whatnplot holes did this create??

Regarding religion: I'm sort of catholic. I don't believe in every element of my faith, but I do think god and world beyond exist. And I loved the episode, again. :lol

 

[Orin GA]

You know what, I dont think I would have been satisfied with any ending. There is just too much unexplained shit in the whole series let alone the final episode.

Why didnt jack turn into a smokey?
How did jack know what to do?
How did Desmond know what to do?

 

[LCfiner]

He needed to have his legs fixed before he could move on.



Yes it was.



It was how Jin and Sun found each other and their history.



Except Ben is staying behind to be with Alex and Danielle.



They needed the time in the sideways world in order to reconcile (or in some cases like Ben not reconcile) their lives up to this point before they could move on.



Believe what you want but I don't agree with you at all.

I get that all those things in the alt timeline happened so these people could find each other and flash their memories.

but they spent an entire season attempting to wring tension and emotions from an audience who thought those people were real. that those beats had a real life significance and not purely a spiritual one.

I think that’s dishonest.

after all, looking back at this season who cares about anything that happened in this alt timeline? there is no dead or alive, crippled or healthy, lucky or unlucky.

nothing in it is real.

If jack can conjure up a child out of thin air as a mental exercise to deal with daddy issues, then, really, there’s no stake to anything in this universe that we saw for the first 15 episodes this season.

it’s just an elaborate waiting room.


I’m also a little upset that jack and Juliet apparently had enough of a connection in the real world to find each other in this purgatory, have a kid together and STILL not be able to trigger their real life memories.

considering some of the connections that other characters had, this one bugs me on a minor "plot hole" level.

 

[Aesius]

Sucks that they couldn't get Eko. That would have been the best. I get the feeling that they probably tried to get him back more than once, but it just never worked out.

I just don't see Eko fitting in with the rest of the characters. The only way it could have worked would have been if he had been the priest at the funeral/church scene. And even that would have been awkward.

 

[Ceres]

Can I ask why GAF loves Eko so much? He did nothing for me at all. His backstory was enjoyable but his time on the island was a bore. I was ready for him to leave (die).

I liked the scenes with him and Locke though.

I wouldn't say I loved Eko. But there's been a lot of talk of the character having a far larger role then he ended up with because the actor wanted out. He had a lot of ties to the faith side of the story and I'm really just curious to read if what happened to (F)Locke was originally in the back of their minds to happen to Eko.

Oddly enough, Ceasar was supposed to have a bigger role this season but the actor was tied to other projects so had to back out as he didn't have the time to commit to the entire season.

 

[ErasureAcer]

And if you can just bring a date like Des did with Penny, then why wasn't Nadia there with Sayid?

Why was Ana Lucia snubbed?

When Locke shows up to the church Ben tells him that "most" of them have arrived. Meaning that there's probably a handful or two of more people that will also depart with the Losties...which can include anyone you want to be there that wasn't actually shown.

 

[rocksteady1983]

I wish instead of Vincent lying down beside Jack as he died, a polar bear came out and laid by him, jk. Mixed emotions on the ending, content though.

 

[SimleuqiR]

Hey, it doesn't mean I'm still not somewhat disappointed. I felt they could have answered a bit more.

Comparing this ending to the X-files ending...Lost answered a lot of questions about it's own mythology. Hell, most religions out there don't answer all the questions of life, specially why we are here. Why should the show have an answer for everything?

I'm very pleased with the ending.

Jacob: You were all like me...Alone (Lost)

In the end they all found each other.

 

[CrankyJay]

I'm assuming you're not talking about the church waiting room because I didn't notice her there.

She was a part of Locke's life, not the entire group of Losties. Jack's son wasn't there either.

Can't really speak for Helen, but Jack's son wasn't there because Jack didn't have a son. Locke was right to say that in the hospital room.

 

[gdt]

I love how it closes out every character, but leaves some blanks.

Basically, I'm envisioning Hurley finding Jack's body in the forest, and I'm really, really sad.

In a good way though.

Or Hurley taking Jack's body off Island for a funeral, and Kate, Sawyer, Desmond, etc etc attending his funeral.




FAN FICTION TIME!

 

[StoOgE]

Thanks for supporting your largely nonsensical opinion with reason.

You see.. it was a character driven post. Logic and reason don't fit into it.

Clearly you just don't get the post.. and you were never really a fan of the post to begin with.

Also, it might mean you are an athiest.

 

[threenote]

awesome.. so now if we don't like the ending we were never really fans anyway.

Good to know.

I thought (hoped) you were never going to post in these threads anymore?

 

[Undeux]

I love that the thread hivemind right now is pushing that it's about the characters and has always been about the characters. Where did you people come from? It seems like in every Lost thread before this, everyone's been completely focused on the mysteries. To the point of "ugh, kill Kate off so we can move on."

 

[KevinCow]

Charlie----Claire
Kate-----Claire's Vagina

Charlie/Claire/Kate threesome incoming?

 

[big ander]

You know what, I dont think I would have been satisfied with any ending. There is just too much unexplained shit in the whole series let alone the final episode.

Why didnt jack turn into a smokey?
How did jack know what to do?
How did Desmond know what to do?

They were divinely influenced. By the light. It's beyond our understanding.

Jack wasn't dead yet, and he wasn't evil.

 

[StoOgE]

I thought (hoped) you were never going to post in these threads anymore?

No. Us non-real fans get to post in the thread too.

 

[CrankyJay]

I wonder if Miles ever did end up getting those diamonds from Nikki and Paolo. :lol

 

[thekad]

Philosophical debates on the afterlife, finding peace, letting go? Fuck that, I'm going to go watch Fringe.

 

[SimleuqiR]

Hurley----Libby
Desmond-----Penny
C.Shep-----Jack
Sayid-----Shannon
Sawyer----Juliet
Charlie----Claire
Kate-----Claire's Vagina

She experience the love of a "mother", one who actually sold her out for some "dick" that abused her.

Kate became the mother she never had.

Philosophical debates on the afterlife, finding peace, letting go? Fuck that, I'm going to go watch Fringe.

"Fuck the world(s) Peter...you belong with me!"

 

[RichardAM]

I love how it closes out every character, but leaves some blanks.

Basically, I'm envisioning Hurley finding Jack's body in the forest, and I'm really, really sad.

Now i'm going to jokingly ask why they don't just take him to the Temple hot tub.

 

[Aesius]

I love that the thread hivemind right now is pushing that it's about the characters and has always been about the characters. Where did you people come from? It seems like in every Lost thread before this, everyone's been completely focused on the mysteries. To the point of "ugh, kill Kate off so we can move on."

A finale focusing primarily on mysteries would have been HORRIBLE. Did you not see how poorly they handled the whispers?

And that wasn't even entirely the writers fault. Answers are inherently far less satisfying than intriguing questions. There will always be a feeling of......."that's it?" when answers (especially to long standing mysteries) are revealed.