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[Pappasman]

Most definitely. The sheer encyclopedia of in-universe canon left unanswered or unexplored is mind-boggling. I thought I was signing up to watch a character-driven science-fiction drama. Instead I ended up with emotional hogwash tied together with unnecessary plot lines and half-baked fantasy.

I expected that there weren't going to be any answers about Walt, and that didn't bother me. He was written out of the show, and was an expected loose end. The happy ending was contrived and felt tack-on. None of the "flash sideways" bits added anything substantial to the story. Charles Whitmore was always poised to be an epic antagonist that made Ben Linus look like a schoolyard bully - and that's no small feat when Ben was responsible for the wholesale genocide of the Dharma Initiative - and then Charles is cast as just another good guy looking out for the island. I could write a ten page essay on the plot-holes, character contrivances and unexplained phenomena of Lost, but I'm sure more than a few of my fellow nerds have already done this for me.

After such a stellar S4 & S5, I'm disappointed.

Im right there with you.

 

[The Elite]

Yeah, me too, it's my wallpaper now, but it's pretty low res.

Yeah, if I get a higher res version I'll throw it up as my iPad lock screen. If someone can produce a large enough version, I may actually print it out and frame it.

 

[gdt]

You know. I wouldn't mind having this larger and framed. It's actually a really cool image.

Yeah, me too, actually.

 

[The Big Rig]

I kinda want some sort of epilogue that explains how Kate could go back to her life having survived two plane crashes (the way the rest of the world sees it). That's gotta be some sort of record.

 

[Zeliard]

Jack's entire ending sequence was magnificent.

Really, Jack's whole arc over the show. He's always been a great, underrated character. It's good to see that some are finally starting to realize that.

Live together... die together. Live together again.

 

[Meier]

Sharp.

 

[mackaveli]

the finale was the best thing i've ever seen.

But to all the haters who think that everyone died in season 1 during the plane crash.

Please explain to me than the episodes "Across the Sea" and "Ab Abtero" which had nothing to do with the main characters but to give a back story to the island and to Jacob, MIB, and Richard.

Please explain how the fuck these episodes can exist if everyone died during the plane crash in season 1. I would love to hear this argument.

 

[StuBurns]

Louis Farrakhan actually put his two cents into the matter in an interview last year:

That has to be a joke yeah?

 

[Piggo]

Is there anything about the complete box set packaging about yet? I remember seeing a low res pic earlier in the thread and people saying it looked awesome during the Kimmel show, but I haven't found any other good pics or info about it.

 

[Alucard]

Louis Farrakhan actually put his two cents into the matter in an interview last year:

That's awesome.

But yeah...what's up with the minority deaths, LOST?!

 

[BitchTits]

So, I heard a rumour that the Michael character walked off for a while because he thought the writers were racists?

Also, thanks to the person who posted this:

http://ca.eonline.com/uberblog/watc...5_lost_want_know_man_in_blacks_real_name.html

There are some answers to questions in the second video. Namely...

-We're going to get Walt's story on the DVD
-MiB's name was Samuel
-#108...

She says it was MiB in Christian's form in the cabin? I can't remember that far back, but wasn't the ring of ash around the cabin to keep MiB OUT of it, or was that a later appearance of the cabin?

Also Jin being the Kwon candidate was kind of answered in the show by Jacob in What They Died For when he tells Kate why she was crossed off the list. So the person asking that didn't pay attention there.

 

[ProudClod]

Say what now? Religion was a part from the very beginning of the movie.

I don't want to get into an extremely detailed debate about this, but while religion was a big part of the movie, the supernatural occurrences weren't. Hitler collects religious artifacts because he thinks they'll bring him power. Indiana Jones is an archeologist who wants to retrieve the Ark. The two groups race to find the Ark, get into some fights, kidnap some people etc. Fairly straight forward plot progression without anything supernatural. The closest thing to supernatural was the staff of ra, but even that was completely conventional and scientific (it was a mathematical manipulation of light, something the Egyptians were known to do). There was absolutely nothing pointing to a supernatural twist until the last 10 minutes of the movie. I was fine with the twist regardless. This is nowhere NEAR as bad. In third season, in Eko's flashback, we saw a girl come back to life after talking to Yemi in the "beyond". That was 3 years ago.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

I don't have to "believe" to see plots just being dropped or loose ends hanging about like they're going out of style.

I accept the ending as is, but I do not find myself satisfied with the lack of continuity from previous seasons. Also, it's funny that you cared for SIX YEARS but then in the third-to-last episode you decided that the mysteries weren't important anymore. Don't you find that frustrating in the least?

I cared about mysteries the whole time. And they delivered in the finale on them. The electromagnetism and the risk involved in harming it was completely explained. The point behind all the time travel and sacrifice; explained. I thought the mysteries tied very well into the character and spiritual arc(s) of the final season.

Stop trying to paint every person who loved the finale as someone who kicked any hope of a consistent narrative experience or the idea of the mysteries of the show out the window. Yes, when you write something episode by episode over six years, some things won't mesh right (Christian showing up off island, etc) but overall, I saw a clear cohesion to the entire story, not by fabricating joining points, but by following the text of the show.

 

[Hari Seldon]

I have resisted buying any of the dvd sets so I could buy it all at once at the end, but I really wish I had a dvd set to watch. I am going through serious Lost withdraw now that I realize everything is over.

 

[dynamitejim]

Why do nonreligious people get so offended by religious imagery during the end? The show has always been about faith versus science. It is funny seeing people think it was just Christian symbolism at the end when they didn't even look and see the symbols from the various religions in the room.

Probably because the finale as a whole seems like some sort of weird affirmation of Pascal's Wager. Basically, it's better to believe than not to. Doesn't matter what you believe, just believe. That doesn't work for me. You could say Locke was right about everything, but it seems arbitrary that he was. He tried to lead a good life and people fucked him over left and right and it drove him crazy and got him killed. Even in his Purgatory he gets fucked over! Why was he "right" to have faith?

I guess it rubs me the wrong way "faith" felt shoe-horned into the show. Yes, Reason vs. Faith has always been a big part of Lost. But seasons 1-5 were all about Reason and weird, seemingly science related, happenings. Faith never manifested itself so literally until this last season. It felt rushed and poorly implemented. As far as psuedo-ancient mythology goes, Across the Sea was bad. I don't know how the writers thought such a lame mythological back story could compare to the captivating sci-fi mysteries of the previous seasons. Seriously, I'd take Nikki, Paulo, and Expose any day of the week over Across the Sea. That episode really ruined Jacob and his brother for me. I'm not against the idea of that type of thing, but they really gave it no room to breath at all. I would have loved to see an entire season devoted to fleshing that out.

Same thing for the whole Purgatory reveal. I actually like that the characters all meet up like that, but at the same time it feels like it came out of the blue. It doesn't feel like it follows from the previous seasons. And this seems much more explicitly religious, which I don't feel was ever really covered in the show. Faith? Definitely covered. Religion? Not really. Showing a real Afterlife comes across as an answer to a question no one asked. Plus, it does have some glaring inconsistencies.

I'm really mixed about Season 6 as a whole. A lot of it is well done, but it feels too different and half-baked in some ways.

 

[gdt]

In terms of the mythology, fuck yes there is a lot that wasn't touched on, clashes with each other (MIB/Smokey is Christian, the Cabin, the Infection being really vague, etc etc etc), and was totally left hanging.

I DON'T CARE.

The show ended on such a beautiful, touching, emotional, epic episode that it really doesn't bug me, in the least. I get why alot would be angry about that, but I'm not.

Saying that, they heavily implied/touched on ALOT all season, so I'm very satisfied overall with how the show handled it's mythology, if indifferent to a few small quibbles.

 

[Keyser Soze]

 

[Catalix]

Haha, people are incredibly pathetic. I absolutely loved the ending, but I'm not going to go around trying to convince people to do the same. There are obvious reasons as to why some would enjoy the ending, and some wouldn't. I gave up caring about the mythology after AtS (which is what the whole point of the episode was, I guess. A way to get us to "let go". To forget about the addicting chase of "the answer"). I became a strictly character person, and I absolutely loved the ending. I also really don't mind metaphysical and religious twists. A religious twist in Lost is really not that far reaching, given the material we've had to work with over the past 6 years. I was fine with the religious twist in Raiders of the Lost Ark, and that came out of FUCKING NOWHERE. So, compared to that, Lost's religious/spiritual spin is actually somewhat predictable. Someone who only wants answers to mythological questions and a logical, scientific explanation for everything would clearly not have enjoyed the finale. These are Men of Science. I am a man of Faith. There is no amount of complaining, bitching about inconsistencies, plot holes, lack of explanation for electromagnetism or Taller-Ghost-Walt that is going to turn me into a Man of Science. Lost has become a show faith rather than science. Of magic rather than nanomachines. Of supernatural rather than electromagnetic. Why do you find it so hard to believe?

I absolutely loved the finale, but I don't think it's unreasonable that others were put off by it.

Now, I can look back and say a lot of the mythology was presented poorly. I can agree they dropped the ball in some respects. I've made peace with that aspect of the show, but I totally understand where the (non-rude) dissenters are coming from.

Darlton and crew weren't perfect by any means, but what they decided to focus on in the end was more than enough to off-set most of the narrative's faults, and tip the scale toward total thematic satisfaction.

 

[Solo]

Was it? The CC's kept saying "magnetic hum" or something like that.

Yes, the woosh was 316 flying over Jack before he died.

 

[The Big Rig]

It looks like her dress was on uneven. Or one boob is bigger than the other.

 

[Alucard]

the finale was the best thing i've ever seen.

But to all the haters who think that everyone died in season 1 during the plane crash.

Please explain to me than the episodes "Across the Sea" and "Ab Abtero" which had nothing to do with the main characters but to give a back story to the island and to Jacob, MIB, and Richard.

Please explain how the fuck these episodes can exist if everyone died during the plane crash in season 1. I would love to hear this argument.

...? The crash happened 2000 years after the Jacob/MiB story. I don't think it would be hard to argue that they were two of the first guys in purgatory, and that maybe they are trying to get to a higher level of existence/heaven, and that the island is their test.

That's obviously not what happened, but yeah.

 

[PersonaX]

Okay, i just finished watching the finale a while ago and...i'm a bit confused about it. Seeing as this thread moves fast as hell i can't be bothered to read it all so could some kind soul please explain the ending to me, like you would explain it to a little children . I'm tired and myheadisfulloffuck.jpg. I liked the episode and i got misty eyed a lot, but i would appreciate it more if i actually understood it all. Go ahead, call me stupid.

 

[ZeoVGM]

YES.

 

[Solo]

Well put.

I completely understand why some people wouldn't like the finale, but this conceit of "I can't wait for you dum-dums to wake up and realized you were all duped rubes" is hilariously sad. RubX said it best. I'm happy, you're frustrated. I win.

Ben spittin' fiya

You know what those of us that loved the finale are doing? WE ARE MAKING OUR OWN KIND OF MUSIC.

 

[gdt]

Okay, i just finished watching the finale a while ago and...i'm a bit confused about it. Seeing as this thread moves fast as hell i can't be bothered to read it all so could some kind soul please explain the ending to me, like you would explain it to a little children . I'm tired and myheadisfulloffuck.jpg. I liked the episode and i got misty eyed a lot, but i would appreciate it more if i actually understood it all. Go ahead, call me stupid.

The LA X timeline was some sort of Purgatory. Thats really it.

 

[Schattenjäger]

So what happened to mib's camp ? I think Cindy and the children ?

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

YES.

Too bad you can't edit in them dropping to the ground when Kate fires.

:lol

Man, that was hilarious too.

 

[LCfiner]

the finale was the best thing i've ever seen.

But to all the haters who think that everyone died in season 1 during the plane crash.

Please explain to me than the episodes "Across the Sea" and "Ab Abtero" which had nothing to do with the main characters but to give a back story to the island and to Jacob, MIB, and Richard.

Please explain how the fuck these episodes can exist if everyone died during the plane crash in season 1. I would love to hear this argument.

no one in this thread actually thinks that. I’m not sure where you’re getting that impression?


edit:

DAT GIF

 

[gdt]

So what happened to mib's camp ? I think Cindy and the children ?

They got blown the fuck up in The Last Recruit.

Some would have to still be on the Island though.

 

[Alucard]

I cared about mysteries the whole time. And they delivered in the finale on them. The electromagnetism and the risk involved in harming it was completely explained. The point behind all the time travel and sacrifice; explained. I thought the mysteries tied very well into the character and spiritual arc(s) of the final season.

Stop trying to paint every person who loved the finale as someone who kicked any hope of a consistent narrative experience or the idea of the mysteries of the show out the window. Yes, when you write something episode by episode over six years, some things won't mesh right (Christian showing up off island, etc) but overall, I saw a clear cohesion to the entire story, not by fabricating joining points, but by following the text of the show.

But that's the equivalent of saying "I glazed over the inconsistencies and just focused on the overarching themes." I suppose that's fine and dandy, but truly great narrative works need to have coherence in all areas.

 

[ZeoVGM]

No seriously, breasts are the best thing ever.

 

[gdt]

Solo:

Now, is the final run of S6 stronger than the final run of S3 ?

 

[Solo]

You gotta make your own kind of music
Sing your own special song
Make your own kind of music
Even if no one else sings along

 

[Veidt]

Okay, i just finished watching the finale a while ago and...i'm a bit confused about it. Seeing as this thread moves fast as hell i can't be bothered to read it all so could some kind soul please explain the ending to me, like you would explain it to a little children . I'm tired and myheadisfulloffuck.jpg. I liked the episode and i got misty eyed a lot, but i would appreciate it more if i actually understood it all. Go ahead, call me stupid.

Jack died protecting the island.
Sawyer,Kate,Claire,Miles,Lapidus,Richard, left the island and died natural deaths.
Hurley and Ben became the new Jacob and Richard. But eventually they died too ( everything dies).
X timeline was purgatory, where souls got together to meet up. It doesn't matter when you died, as there is no such thing as time there. So people who had died in S1 and those who had died much later ( kate, sawyer etc.) meet each other at the same time. So in reality Kate died a natural death, and Jack died years earlier, but they're together because of the whole no-such-thing- as time thing.

 

[Sadist]

EXCELLENT

 

[Calcaneus]

No seriously, breasts are the best thing ever.

And that's something, we can all agree on.

 

[KevinCow]

 

[Solo]

Solo:

Now, is the final run of S6 stronger than the final run of S3 ?

No, because even though The End is the best thing since magnets, Across the Sea still exists in the final 5. S6 is better than S3 overall, though.

S1 > S4 > S6 > S3 > S2 > S5

Final ratings.

 

[gdt]

Jack died protecting the island.
Sawyer,Kate,Claire,Miles,Lapidus,Richard, left the island and died natural deaths.
Hurley and Ben became the new Jacob and Richard. But eventually they died too ( everything dies).
X timeline was purgatory, where souls got together to meet up. It doesn't matter when you died, as there is no such thing as time there. So people who had died in S1 and those who had died much later ( kate, sawyer etc.) meet each other at the same time. So in reality Kate died a natural death, and Jack died years earlier, but they're together because of the whole no-such-thing- as time thing.

Viedt, do you think you can make me a gif of Jack's death walk/laying on the ground dying? I'd love that.

 

[StuBurns]

Ummm, it's been a while since I watched ten minutes of Gia...

No, because even though The End is the best thing since magnets, Across the Sea still exists in the final 5. S6 is better than S3 overall, though.

S1 > S4 > S6 > S3 > S2 > S5

Final ratings.

Close enough to not be embarrassing.

4>1>6>2>3>5

 

[ZeoVGM]

Solo:

Now, is the final run of S6 stronger than the final run of S3 ?

Ehhh, that's a rough one. "Across the Sea" really hurts that. And other than the finale, the finale few episodes of season 3 were better than the final few episodes of season 6.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

But that's the equivalent of saying "I glazed over the inconsistencies and just focused on the overarching themes." I suppose that's fine and dandy, but truly great narrative works need to have coherence in all areas.

I glazed over about 28 seconds of footage out of 120something hours.

And I'm sorry, coherence in all areas is 2375% impossible in a medium like a six season television show due to the amount of people, variables, and time involved. I mean, look at the Wired photo and you can see how drastically S5 changed from its original conception. They wrote every episode one at a time over six years.

I'm sorry, but I honestly feel that it's unrealistic to expect the kind of coherence you want from a television show. Sure, if the core of every single episode had been predetermined, every single beat of every hour preconceived, we might have had a pitch perfect MiB mythology. Great! So awesome! We also would not have had Benjamin Linus.

I know which one I'm picking.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

http://i48.tinypic.com/2akl6j4.gif[img][/QUOTE]

I will worship you for the entire day if you create a gif of them standing on the far end of the cliff zoomed out, light saber grows... they start running towards each other and then this gif follows...

THE ENTIRE DAY!!

 

[otake]

I see people are complaining about the same things I was complaining about 5 pages ago. To everyone criticizing the show for it's bad writing, overuse of red herrings, and lack of a cohesive story, you have to remember, it's just a tv show and it wasn't on hbo.

 

[gdt]

No, because even though The End is the best thing since magnets, Across the Sea still exists in the final 5. S6 is better than S3 overall, though.

S1 > S4 > S6 > S3 > S2 > S5

Final ratings.

Eh, but if The End is sufficiently strong enough, wouldn't it tip the scales?

You're working under the "each episode has to be awesome, but it's not the level of awesome that counts" I guess.

 

[Sadist]

No seriously, breasts are the best thing ever.

 

[Solo]

Ben likes it Hoth

 

[Ceres]

Can anyone find me a screencap of Jack's eye closed at the beginning of the Pilot? It's the only one I can't find.

 

[Whipped Spartan]

The finale was fitting, loved it all. Going buy the Blu ray collection.

 

[Alucard]

Okay, i just finished watching the finale a while ago and...i'm a bit confused about it. Seeing as this thread moves fast as hell i can't be bothered to read it all so could some kind soul please explain the ending to me, like you would explain it to a little children . I'm tired and myheadisfulloffuck.jpg. I liked the episode and i got misty eyed a lot, but i would appreciate it more if i actually understood it all. Go ahead, call me stupid.

-The LA X story was the LOST characters in an afterlife/purgatory...think of it like an epilogue to what happened on the island.
-Everything from seasons 1 through 6 happened.
-Jack died on the island
-Hurley and Linus stayed on the island until they died lord-knows-when
-The people who escaped on the plane probably got back home and lived their lives until eventually dying too
-They all met up in a spiritual deadzone/purgatory/afterlife, and had to come to terms with their own deaths and lives before moving on to the next phase of their existence/heaven/whatever.