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[gdt]

Ehhh, that's a rough one. "Across the Sea" really hurts that. And other than the finale, the finale few episodes of season 3 were better than the final few episodes of season 6.

No way Jose.

 

[Slacker]

So the losties are all really happy after they die. That's swell, but it would have been cool to show us what happened to them after they left the island...you know the thing they've been trying to do for six seasons.

Kate & Claire raised Aaron together, he calls one Mommy and one Sideways-Mommy.

Sawyer gets rich from Oceanic's settlement, so he doesn't need to con any more. He instead turns his attention to the internet and becomes the biggest troll GAF has ever seen. He teaches Clementine the ways of the troll so she can continue his legacy after he passes away.

A boat chartered by the Swedish Bikini Team crashes on the island, and Hurley and Linus quickly have a delightful time making a new list of candidates.

Miles ditches the whole 'I see dead people' thing and goes back to his first true love: Competitive Eating.

Lapidus continues to get swarthier with each passing year.

Richard has the hardest time adjusting, due to logistical issues like being unable to obtain a social security card. This would prove to be a problem when he decides to settle down in a nice hot climate he's grown accostumed to: Arizona.

 

[KevinCow]

I mean, look at the Wired photo and you can see how drastically S5 changed from its original conception.

Wait, what's this about?

 

[Solo]

Eh, but if The End is sufficiently strong enough, wouldn't it tip the scales?

You're working under the "each episode has to be awesome, but it's not the level of awesome that counts" I guess.

A run of top notch episodes is just that though - each one has to be top notch, or its not a run of great episodes. S6 ends with 5/6 episodes being amazing, but they come in runs of 2 and 3 episodes, respectively.

 

[Whipped Spartan]

Don't do it MiB he has the high ground!

 

[LakeEarth]

Jack should've became the new smoke monster.

 

[KevinCow]

I will worship you for the entire day if you create a gif of them standing on the far end of the cliff zoomed out, light saber grows... they start running towards each other and then this gif follows...

THE ENTIRE DAY!!

I tried doing that, but my automatic lightsaber filter wouldn't make them that small. I'll give it another shot later.

 

[gdt]

A run of top notch episodes is just that though - each one has to be top notch, or its not a run of great episodes. S6 ends with 5/6 episodes being amazing, but they come in runs of 2 and 3 episodes, respectively.

You and your rules.

 

[DrBo42]

Okay it's probably been touched on in the thread, but this thing is massive now.

Spoiler

That's what she said.

Anyway. I have a question about the whole bomb thing. Did everyone die at that moment? Did the bomb not really go off?

 

[YoungHav]

And I'm sorry, coherence in all areas is 2375% impossible in a medium like a six season television show due to the amount of people, variables, and time involved. I'm sorry, but I honestly feel that it's unrealistic to expect the kind of coherence you want from a television show.

But other shows have done it...

I see people are complaining about the same things I was complaining about 5 pages ago. To everyone criticizing the show for it's bad writing, overuse of red herrings, and lack of a cohesive story, you have to remember, it's just a tv show and it wasn't on hbo.

winner winner Hurley fried chicken dinner! (or AMC for that matter).

 

[Solo]

You and your rules.

Someday you can invent a game of your own and make your own rules, gdt.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Wait, what's this about?

Maybe someone can post it but there's a shot of the whiteboard we you can see that there were originally drastically different circumstances occurring in S5 like I think Locke getting captured by another set of castaways (I guess the Ajirans?), some other stuff.

 

[WrikaWrek]

Just saw it.

Man...did that suck or what. Not in a "WOW WTF THAT SUCKED" just a..."damn man, that sucked".

Writers failaton

 

[kinoki]

This last episode really put it into perspective for me. I have no intrest in watching these people live happily ever after, so I don't even acknoledge the Christian Shepard-ending. The show has been so lazy with just killing characters off when they can't figure out what to do with them. But the characters we've really been investing in: Jack, Kate, Sawyer, and Hurley all got the endings they deserved. Ofcourse it was about Jack the whole time.

Hopefully after Lost the creators of these shows will learn to cut down the fat on shows. Imagine if Lost had been a 3 season deal with roughly the same ending. Then a follow-up spin-show called The Constant (or something) in which we explore the time-travelling aspects of our favorite characters (like Desmond and Hurley) and some newly brought in folks (like Faraday and Miles).

 

[gdt]

Looking back, Kate's "Tell me I'm gonna see you again" is fucking crushing.

 

[Zeliard]

I like MIB's ending the more I think about it.

While I would have much preferred a simple shot of Titus walking around as his innocent pre-Smokey self in his own purgatory, perhaps with now-dead Jacob tagging along, I still think you can interpret it as that having happened anyway. It would be very similar to how all the Losties grouped together in the afterlife - Jacob and MIB are metaphysically intertwined.

MIB's ending was solid also because of how they showed Mother dying. I think at this point we can safely say that she was a smoke monster, and when she was killed, she said "thank you" to MIB. She thanked him because she was finally free. While MIB himself may have been too angry to thank Jack, it was essentially the same for him - no longer an immortal, trapped smoke monster, he was finally freed from his torment on the island.

Ultimately, MIB was not the bad guy - he's the tragic character of the show.

 

[StuBurns]

Jack should've became the new smoke monster.

For a little bit, I thought that was going to happen, and it would be Hurley and Jack sharing fish at the end with Vincent.

 

[Solo]

Okay it's probably been touched on in the thread, but this thing is massive now.

Spoiler

That's what she said.

Anyway. I have a question about the whole bomb thing. Did everyone die at that moment? Did the bomb not really go off?

Bomb went off, sent everyone to 2007.

Fin.

 

[pringles]

Just watched it.

Fucking loved it. Unbelievably good.

It absolutely killed me like nothing else has done since the Six Feet Under finale.

One more thing: the Juliette death scene in Episode 1 of the season just became one of my favorite death scenes of all time. MAKING IT UP AS THEY GO ALONG MY ASS.

 

[gdt]

Hopefully after Lost the creators of these shows will learn to cut down the fat on shows. Imagine if Lost had been a 3 season deal with roughly the same ending. Then a follow-up spin-show called The Constant (or something) in which we explore the time-travelling aspects of our favorite characters (like Desmond and Hurley) and some newly brought in folks (like Faraday and Miles).

That sounds terrible.

 

[Catalix]

Solo:

Now, is the final run of S6 stronger than the final run of S3 ?

S3's final five run still stands on top, no matter how mindblowingly awesome The End was.

A run of top notch episodes is just that though - each one has to be top notch, or its not a run of great episodes. S6 ends with 5/6 episodes being amazing, but they come in runs of 2 and 3 episodes, respectively.

exactly

 

[The Elite]

Bomb went off, sent everyone to 2007.

Fin.

We need a flow chart. :lol

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

But other shows have done it...

Such as? I'm genuinely curious.

 

[ostrichKing]

-The LA X story was the LOST characters in an afterlife/purgatory...think of it like an epilogue to what happened on the island.
-Everything from seasons 1 through 6 happened.
-Jack died on the island
-Hurley and Linus stayed on the island until they died lord-knows-when
-The people who escaped on the plane probably got back home and lived their lives until eventually dying too
-They all met up in a spiritual deadzone/purgatory/afterlife, and had to come to terms with their own deaths and lives before moving on to the next phase of their existence/heaven/whatever.

Ok so they constructed this magical land and timeline that was just like their old lives (except without influence of the island and jacob). And that the only way for them to come to terms was through a red-herring filled, nonsensical and silly plotline that lead to not character growth for most...but rather, them touching someone they fell in love with before? Why not just construct the church and have them go around blindly touching each other until they found their soulmate so that they would remember and can move to the bright light. The poorly constructed X timeline still doesn't sit well with me the way it seems to be just fine with all of you.

On a side note, I would have loved for Lapidus to have come through the door at the end in the church when all was turning bright, lookin' all Jesus-style...

 

[kinoki]

That sounds terrible.

To me the 3rd season showed that they 1) didn't really know what the fans wanted to see, 2) were experimenting in all kinds of direction, 3) didn't even know where they wanted to go. So, yes, I'd rather have it end after 3 seasons. But there was so many good ideas that were half-baked in the 4 last seasons that I felt could deserve more than they got.

 

[Zeliard]

I still really love the whole desaturated look during the time the island's cork was removed.

Gave it a great apocalyptic feel.

 

[Solo]

To me the 3rd season showed that they 1) didn't really know what the fans wanted to see

How could they? Literally every single fan wants a different thing :lol

As a showrunner, you have to follow YOUR vision, and not cater to fans, who dont know shit (yes, that includes me).

 

[YoungHav]

Lapidus to have come through the door at the end in the church when all was turning bright, lookin' all Jesus-style...

:lol . Shit, I forgot to save it, but can someone repost that Lapidus picture. All blue looking like he's in heaven? says "Lapidus centric".

 

[WillyFive]

Just saw it.

Man...did that suck or what. Not in a "WOW WTF THAT SUCKED" just a..."damn man, that sucked".

Writers failaton

Or what.

That was fantastic.

 

[Alucard]

I glazed over about 28 seconds of footage out of 120something hours.

And I'm sorry, coherence in all areas is 2375% impossible in a medium like a six season television show due to the amount of people, variables, and time involved. I mean, look at the Wired photo and you can see how drastically S5 changed from its original conception. They wrote every episode one at a time over six years.

I'm sorry, but I honestly feel that it's unrealistic to expect the kind of coherence you want from a television show. Sure, if the core of every single episode had been predetermined, every single beat of every hour preconceived, we might have had a pitch perfect MiB mythology. Great! So awesome! We also would not have had Benjamin Linus.

I know which one I'm picking.

Yeah, not buying this. Writers shouldn't just make stuff up as they go along or put in weird things for the sake of weird things. If you're going to put in something strange, make sure you know the end result or how you're going to explain it later on. It's not impossible if you have intelligent people who take the time to carefully craft their creation.

Anyway, I still really love Lost, but I think your post is the very definition of "apologist." Nothing personal.

 

[VistraNorrez]

I absolutely loved the finale, but I don't think it's unreasonable that others were put off by it.

Now, I can look back and say a lot of the mythology was presented poorly. I can agree they dropped the ball in some respects. I've made peace with that aspect of the show, but I totally understand where the (non-rude) dissenters are coming from.

Darlton and crew weren't perfect by any means, but what they decided to focus on in the end was more than enough to off-set most of the narrative's faults, and tip the scale toward total thematic satisfaction.

I agree, and I think the condescension people put on because of different opinions is pretty awful.

There's been some good defenses for and against the finale and the show. But I truly think the show will be well thought of in the long run. Just the fact that it provoked such heated discussion proves it did something right. And because of how they ended it, I don't see that discussion ending anytime soon. They left it just open enough. They hit a great sweet spot.

I just want to say I am really happy I got to be apart of the cultural phenomenon. It's a very rare thing. And in some ways I feel sorry for those that missed it. But atleast they can experience it some way. I look forward to introducing it to friends and the many conversations about it in the future.

Has the finale changed anyone's mind about when they will rewatch the series? I still can't wait to get the blu-ray set (pre-ordered).

 

[PSGames]

Ugh guys I'm getting depressed now. I mean what show out there even comes close to the awesomeness of LOST?

 

[otake]

To me the 3rd season showed that they 1) didn't really know what the fans wanted to see, 2) were experimenting in all kinds of direction, 3) didn't even know where they wanted to go. So, yes, I'd rather have it end after 3 seasons. But there was so many good ideas that were half-baked in the 4 last seasons that I felt could deserve more than they got.

I also think we could have had season 6 come right after season 3 and it would have been better.

 

[DrBo42]

Bomb went off, sent everyone to 2007.

Fin.

So when Miles is forced to try and communicate with Juliet and she said "It worked." he's talking to the Juliet that's in the afterlife waiting room?

 

[Interfectum]

Such as? I'm genuinely curious.

Six Feet Under
The Wire
The Shield
The Sopranos
... all had great endings and tied the series up pretty well.

Lost
BSG (to a degree)
Alf
... I'd put with shows that had bad endings.

 

[ostrichKing]

Six Feet Under
The Wire
The Shield
... all had great endings and tied the series up pretty well.

Lost
BSG (to a degree)
Alf
... I'd put with shows that had bad endings.

And Alf could have gone down as one of the greatest....

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Ok so they constructed this magical land and timeline that was just like their old lives (except without influence of the island and jacob). And that the only way for them to come to terms was through a red-herring filled, nonsensical and silly plotline that lead to not character growth for most...but rather, them touching someone they fell in love with before? Why not just construct the church and have them go around blindly touching each other until they found their soulmate so that they would remember and can move to the bright light. The poorly constructed X timeline still doesn't sit well with me the way it seems to be just fine with all of you.

On a side note, I would have loved for Lapidus to have come through the door at the end in the church when all was turning bright, lookin' all Jesus-style...

IIRC, each flash sideways episode was actually directly centered around character growth. Jin and Sun considering staying, Sayid trying to extricate himself from his past, Sawer doing the same, Kate doing the same, etc. So what happened in LA X the whole season was actually critically important.

 

[Solo]

So when Miles is forced to try and communicate with Juliet and she said "It worked." he's talking to the Juliet that's in the afterlife waiting room?

Basically. When she was dying she obviously saw over into the next world.

 

[YoungHav]

Ugh guys I'm getting depressed now. I mean what show out there even comes close to the awesomeness of LOST?

go watch Breaking Bad.

 

[Alucard]

Ok so they constructed this magical land and timeline that was just like their old lives (except without influence of the island and jacob). And that the only way for them to come to terms was through a red-herring filled, nonsensical and silly plotline that lead to not character growth for most...but rather, them touching someone they fell in love with before? Why not just construct the church and have them go around blindly touching each other until they found their soulmate so that they would remember and can move to the bright light. The poorly constructed X timeline still doesn't sit well with me the way it seems to be just fine with all of you.

On a side note, I would have loved for Lapidus to have come through the door at the end in the church when all was turning bright, lookin' all Jesus-style...

Dude...I'm on your side. I just put up the explanation because someone asked. I agree that the X storyline was poorly resolved and that it made half of season 6 pretty meaningless, as it was just characters stumbling about waiting to find each other.

 

[kinoki]

How could they? Literally every single fan wants a different thing :lol

Noone wanted Paolo and Nikki. That's something they got completly wrong. Noone who watched the show wanted hip, trendy people being brought in mid-show to... do nothing but be written off a month later. Same thing that killed FlashForward imo. Too much Grey's Anatomy and too little science fiction. They did completly right in introducing a redhead nerd chick, an asian guy who can talk to ghosts, and a weakly scientist with a time-continuum problem.

 

[gdt]

Memles'

Lost the Morning After: Critics face “The End”

 

[afternoon delight]

Six Feet Under

One of the saddest nights of my life.

Edit:

Ugh guys I'm getting depressed now. I mean what show out there even comes close to the awesomeness of LOST?

The Wire, X-Files, Twin Peaks minus six hours, Six Feet Under,

 

[YoungHav]

can someone explain why David was eyefucking his mom's titties? They should've reshot that!

 

[ostrichKing]

IIRC, each flash sideways episode was actually directly centered around character growth. Jin and Sun considering staying, Sayid trying to extricate himself from his past, Sawer doing the same, Kate doing the same, etc. So what happened in LA X the whole season was actually critically important.

Yes, but they were doing that the whole time...I thought all of them had redemption on the island...what was the point of this poorly plotted construct universe?

 

[Solo]

Has the finale changed anyone's mind about when they will rewatch the series? I still can't wait to get the blu-ray set (pre-ordered).

I will watch S6 again in August when I get the BD. But the overall rewatch? Nope, my plan hasnt changed. I will start with the Pilot on September 22, 2011.

 

[StuBurns]

Six Feet Under
The Wire
The Shield
... all had great endings and tied the series up pretty well.

Lost
BSG (to a degree)
Alf
... I'd put with shows that had bad endings.

I can only comment on The Wire as I haven't seen the others, but The Wire had no where near as much material to wrap up. The end of The Wire was cool, but it went out of it's way to show no progress, Lost is the antithesis of that.

I loved the ending of Lost, for me it's up there with The Prisoner and Twin Peaks, just awesome.

 

[Interfectum]

go watch Breaking Bad.

Breaking Bad is an amazing show.

 

[Alucard]

How could they? Literally every single fan wants a different thing :lol

As a showrunner, you have to follow YOUR vision, and not cater to fans, who dont know shit (yes, that includes me).

...except that they said that the X storyline was catering to fans and providing service to said fans. :lol

 

[ostrichKing]

Dude...I'm on your side. I just put up the explanation because someone asked. I agree that the X storyline was poorly resolved and that it made half of season 6 pretty meaningless, as it was just characters stumbling about waiting to find each other.

Oh I know Alucard...the whole ending just sits so poorly with me...apologies for seeming like I was attacking you or anyone else...