LOST 06.17/18/18.5: "The End" (Everything Else Was Just Progress)

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DoctorWho said:
So how does Lapidus explain the return of the Ajira flight to Air Traffic Control? Some of the people returning on that plane weren't even on it to begin. There's a whole shit storm that would happen on the mainland once Ajira returned. That would be interesting to see. :lol
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Frank will hypnotize them with his chesthair... "You will not ask questions, you will not ask questions"

What I thought was weird about the finale and the last few episodes is that except for Miles and Richard being happy while finding him the regular cast (meaning Jack, Kate, Sawyer and Hurley) weren't even talking about Lapidus. Sun & Jin died oh we be bawlin'. But guys what about Lapidus?

.... .... ....

Lapidus shows up and wants to take off, there is no "OMG Lapidus YOU MADE IT!!!" from those four. It's more like:

Kate: "oh hey I'm talking to Lapidus, he sounds pretty pissed"
Hurley: "Eh, dude's a trooper he can take it"
Sawyer: "Son of a bitch"

Same goes for Lapidus btw :lol No emotional interaction with those four.
 
From back in febuary

LINDELOF: Right out of the gate, in the first five minutes of the premiere, you get hit over the head with two things that you’re not expecting. The first is that Desmond is on the plane. The second thing that we do is we drop out of the plane and we go below the water and we see that the Island is submerged. What we’re trying to do there is basically say to you, “God bless the survivors of Oceanic 815, because they’re so self-centered, they thought the only effect [of detonating the bomb] was going to be that their plane never crashes.” But they don’t stop to think, “If we do this in 1977, what else is going to affected by this?” So that their entire lives can be changed radically. In fact, it would appear that they’ve sunken the Island. That’s our way of saying, “Keep your eyes peeled for the differences that you’re not expecting.” Some of these characters were still in Australia, but some weren’t. Shannon’s not there. Boone actually says that he tried to get her back. There are all sorts of other people that we don’t see. Where’s Libby? Where’s Ana Lucia? Where’s Eko? These are all the things that you’re supposed to be thinking about. When our characters posited the “What if?” scenario, they neglected to think about what the other effects of potentially changing time might be and we’re embracing those things.
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And in the finally we see that the consequences of this were to give themselves a chance to come full circle. Which is also what LOST ending with Jack closing his eyes symbolized.
 
From what I've read in this thread most of the hardcore fans liked the ending, so I try to explain my point of view to not get laughed at with "lolz u didn't understand the ending", "lolz who needs answers" etc. comments:

I watched Lost for the mythology&plot first, characters second. If I would only care about characters, I would watch soaps. I realize Lost is character-heavy, but nonetheless I was hooked because of the plot/twists and the island's secrets.

That's why for me the ending is all nice and dandy for the characters, but I really wanted to know about what exactly the electromagnetic source is, how you can make magic rules and most of all the ancient civilisation who build all these temples, the statue, the cork and surrounding pool etc.


Then the "purgatory" (which is actually more similar to our reality than the magic stuff in Lost's real word): I don't like it, this has nothing to do with the show other than the characters. You could add this to any plot, like let's say add 20 min to the movie 2012 to see the billions who died find each other in a purgatory and "move on"...yay!
This only adds to the stupid religion theme to which I also count the "heart of the island" from which "all life comes from". Evolution lolz.
Also, why would this "light" go out if you remove the clearly man-made cork?
I also don't see what's so bad about sinking the island, because the didn't show any effects to the outside world. At least the purgatory is fine without it :P (also, the sunken island was only shown to mislead IMO).



I'm glad many of you liked it but the whole last season did not answer many questions I had during watching the six seasons.
I actually hate to be "that guy who wants everything to be clearly explained", but at least some of the stuff was way to vague or not explained plus I wanted the general direction of the show to be more mythology-heavy anyway.
 
It's pretty unlikely that the plane would have enough fuel to turn around and head back to LAX (it was on its way to Guam anyway, wasn't it?). It's much more likely that they'd land somewhere else in the Pacific, somewhere a lot more permissive about who they let land.

And I continue to believe that the electromagnetism is a side effect of the island's nature, not the cause of it.
 
TheBranca18 said:
Nope. I've seen it. Just not recently and would like to be able to review it.

Interpret it however you want, but finding continuity errors and being like: "omg they didn't explain this they suck as writers blah blah blah" is completely missing the point of the entire show. You might as well have not watched a single episode.
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....and we're back to "if you find inaccuracies, you're missing the point". Man you better not be an atheist.
 
Ceres said:
Here you guys go:

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Larger version: http://i49.tinypic.com/2dmgt38.jpg

Not high res (I'm working with what I could find online) but a lot better than the other one.


The version on my computer is 2048x2272 but tinypic resized to 1600.
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You got me all teary eyed man.
 
Mercury Fred said:
More later, but damn, I loved the episode. It was pretty much perfect until the last 15 minutes which were awful and out of step with the rest of the show. I'm just choosing to treat the ending as something that's not actually attached to the series.
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:lol

While I don't agree in this instance I get the conceit. The West Wing ended on a brutal Zoe cliffhanger and Six Feet Under ended after Nate dropped out of sight of the side view mirror.

:D
 
I'd like to think Miles shared the wealth a little bit. Well, Kate was already rich from the Oceanic settlement. But Sawyer & Richard would've had nothing. Actually Richard may have had some assets. It didn't seem like the Mittelos Bioscience company was a complete and total front.
 
Basically we should have skipped the bible lesson and just pre-ordered this instead:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0756665949/?tag=neogaf0e-20


NY Times sums it up best:

"Rendered insignificant, [in the finale], were the particulars of what they had done on the island. Pushing buttons, building rafts, blowing up hatches, living, dying — all the churning action and melodrama that made “Lost” so addictive in its early seasons — none of it was directly connected to this final outcome, beyond the fact that it constituted “the most important part” of all their lives."
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Christian was right. They created that X universe, with the bomb. Just not the way you think.

An afterlife always existed, but it's not the same for everyone.
The losties wanted to sink the island to create a world where their plane crash never happened. Problem is the bomb detonation IS the incident. It always happened that way. But the afterlife is some place where you get your wishes before moving on, and the wish of all this group was to not crash on the island, so when they detonated the bomb, it sent them to 2007, and also created that X universe because is what they wanted to do. More than 'created', it adopted that form. The form of a world without the island and with their wishes fullfilled (Sawyer is good, Locke with Helen, etc.)

A shame you can only get there when you die. That's because Juliette says "it worked". She's dead.
 
Karram said:
Oh, what a disappointment. Its was a great show but the finale was bad.
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opinions are opinions. but that's wrong.

I've don't think I've ever been as satisfied with an ending to a show as I was/am with that of Lost.

I'm usually fairly disappointed in finales.

This final episode just repainted the entirety of season six as one long, elaborate finale.
 
DevelopmentArrested said:
Basically we should have skipped the bible lesson and just pre-ordered this instead:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0756665949/?tag=neogaf0e-20


NY Times sums it up best:
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That doesn't sum it up best at all. It makes no sense. Why does pushing the button, hatches blowing up, or ... uh, building a raft ... have to tie in directly to the final episode? That's silly.

Of course, it's wrong anyway. "Pushing the button" and "blowing up hatches" are DIRECTLY connected to the final episode in an incredibly obvious way.
 
Nameless said:
From back in febuary



And in the finally we see that the consequences of this were to give themselves a chance to come full circle. Which is also what LOST ending with Jack closing his eyes symbolized.
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Yeah, man I just realized the significance of everything. It wasn't purgatory it was a specifically manufactured scenario in which the plane landed so they could understand how important their time on the island was.

DUH. How did I not put all that together?
 
Byakuya769 said:
....and we're back to "if you find inaccuracies, you're missing the point". Man you better not be an atheist.
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Oh hay I'm Byakuya I put words into other people's mouths because I can't actually have a reasonable discussion.

I never said you were missing the point because you found an inaccuracy. I said you're missing the point because 1. you can't get past it, you've devoted a ton of posts to a fucking dog waking Jack up and 2. you're actively searching for them like you're on a crusade.
 
Solo said:
Sure, I can go with that. Again, they had to shit out the pilot in no time at all. The fact that it became perhaps the finest pilot ever is nothing short of a miracle.
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I'm not familiar with this story. Why did they have no time to write the pilot?
 
omg rite said:
That doesn't sum it up best at all. It makes no sense. Why does pushing the button, hatches blowing up, or ... uh, building a raft ... have to tie in directly to the final episode? That's silly.

Of course, it's wrong anyway. "Pushing the button" and "blowing up hatches" are DIRECTLY connected to the final episode in an incredibly obvious way.
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yeah, what the hell did they expect? Another computer down there so Desmond would know what numbers to press? What a retarded quote.
 
I always lurk in the LOST-Gaf threads, but rarely post (I think I've posted once); but I thought I would chime in with my views on the finale.

I thought it was amazing and was very satisfied with the ending, its a shame that in some of the press reviews it seems that they have misunderstood the ending, I think ABC's decision to show the shots of the plane wreckage in the credits didn't help with that.

Now I'm anxiously awaiting the season 6 DVD for the extra footage about Walt and hopefully some other interesting things.
 
"Rendered insignificant, [in the finale], were the particulars of what they had done on the island. Pushing buttons, building rafts, blowing up hatches, living, dying — all the churning action and melodrama that made “Lost” so addictive in its early seasons — none of it was directly connected to this final outcome, beyond the fact that it constituted “the most important part” of all their lives."
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Thats probably the stupidest thing ive read in a long time. All of those things from the early seasons played a part and were connected to the outcome of the season that featured them. Was there anyone that was thinking about Michaels raft or the quest for boar during the last 5 seasons?

i dont know about any of you, but if i had spent only 30 days on an island where magic seemed to be the norm, crazy twists and turns involving mysterious Others, running for my life from living smoke, traveling through time, etc etc.. those days would probably be the defining moment in my life. i dont know what kind of adventures most of GAF lives on a daily basis to make such a thing so insignifigant :lol
 
Reading some of the comments on Twitter about the finale seriously makes me weep for humanity.

People cannot be this dumb.

I won't even bother quoting them here. Just search #LOST on Twitter and you'll know what I'm saying.
 
bachikarn said:
yeah, what the hell did they expect? Another computer down there so Desmond would know what numbers to press? What a retarded quote.
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I think we have to accept that the "professional" critics who are watching the show aren't really watching it at all. And that they're paid to churn out controversial opinion pieces to make their readers feel superior to people who have watched the show.

HAW HAW YOU LIKE LOST? Heard it was a waste of time, man!

This is no less infuriating than Losties who will not find fault with the show at all.

HAW HAW YOU DIDN'T LIKE LOST? You just missed the point, man!
 
At the end of S1 they leave on the raft...S2 they kidnap Walt. The others were lead by Ben who could talk to Jacob. Perhaps it was Jacob instructing Ben to do this...Walt was a good person, he may have been an ideal candidate at some point but that notion was let go.
 
criesofthepast said:
Reading some of the comments on Twitter about the finale seriously makes me weep for humanity.

People cannot be this dumb.

I won't even bother quoting them here. Just search #LOST on Twitter and you'll know what I'm saying.
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Yeah I see it everywhere too.

"The island was purgatory? HOW STUPID IS THAT?"

Kill me.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
Yeah, man I just realized the significance of everything. It wasn't purgatory it was a specifically manufactured scenario in which the plane landed so they could understand how important their time on the island was.

DUH. How did I not put all that together?
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Exactly. The writers were implicit that everything that happened in the flash-sideways was real, that everything mattered. They got to experience both sides of the coin before moving on.

"It only ends once. Everything that happens before that is just PROGRESS"
 
Well, after sleeping on it and thinking about the ending again with a fresh mind, I have to say...it's still fucking great, I'm glad they didn't waste any time in the final episode answering a bunch of insignificant questions. I'm gonna watch it again tonight, can't wait.
 
The "final outcome" was that their time on the Island was the most important thing in their lives and their afterlife is intricately tied to what they got out of that experience.
 
criesofthepast said:
Reading some of the comments on Twitter about the finale seriously makes me weep for humanity.

People cannot be this dumb.

I won't even bother quoting them here. Just search #LOST on Twitter and you'll know what I'm saying.
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Yup same thing on my facebook feed ugh
 
Goddamn, ever since seeing the finale ive just had this nagging sadness about Jack, he died for his friends, he died because he believed, and he died alone :(, such a great arc and story for the character and in the end he found his peace.

I know its a tv show but thats what im going to take with me, this guy let go and gave everything to help out his friends and protect people, and he died alone :(
 
criesofthepast said:
Reading some of the comments on Twitter about the finale seriously makes me weep for humanity.

People cannot be this dumb.

I won't even bother quoting them here. Just search #LOST on Twitter and you'll know what I'm saying.
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:(
 
TheBranca18 said:
Oh hay I'm Byakuya I put words into other people's mouths because I can't actually have a reasonable discussion.

I never said you were missing the point because you found an inaccuracy. I said you're missing the point because 1. you can't get past it, you've devoted a ton of posts to a fucking dog waking Jack up and 2. you're actively searching for them like you're on a crusade.
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TheBranca18 said:
but finding continuity errors and being like: "omg they didn't explain this they suck as writers blah blah blah" is completely missing the point of the entire show.
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short-term memory loss? Not to mention you're the changing my words. Care to show where I said they suck as writers, etc?


Man you suck at this.
 
Mr Cola said:
Goddamn, ever since seeing the finale ive just had this nagging sadness about Jack, he died for his friends, he died because he believed, and he died alone :(, such a great arc and story for the character and in the end he found his peace.

I know its a tv show but thats what im going to take with me, this guy let go and gave everything to help out his friends and protect people, and he died alone :(
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Nah, it's a happy ending, IMO (or at the very least bittersweet).

He died for his friends, for the world. He basically fixed the fuck out of everything :lol .

He didn't die alone btw, Vincent was chilling with him!



And though he didn't know it at the time (I think), he did get to see his friends again.

Edit: To expand, he really died perfectly happy. He was at peace.
 
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