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[Dragon]

so I'll mark you down for - "does not understand that of which he speaks"

Spoiler

and will read this sentence over several times

good job man.

Cool.

um… aren’t most arguments based on people saying what they think is right?

there’s nothing wrong with that as long as they back up how they feel.

There's something wrong with being a pedantic brat about it.

 

[Dragon]

dp

 

[CrankyJay]

I think another important loose end they didn't really tie up (or maybe we just mislead ourselves) on why it seemed Aaron was so important...and that it was important that he was not "raised by another."

Again...another example of how it seemed the writers of lost place great importance in someone or something that amounted to nothing.

Walt, Aaron, Widmore's intense desire to get back to the island (why did he want to kill everyone on it)?

 

[Calcaneus]

I'm going to believe that Lapidus wasn't in the church because he never dies.

 

[ZeoVGM]

I'm going to believe that Lapidus wasn't in the church because he never dies.

I thought that was known to be fact by now.

 

[MiamiWesker]

So how has critical response been, will history define this finale as one of the all time greatest in TV history or will they say it was a bust.

Also i can't believe how many people didn't get the ending. This is like a basic comprehension test. I rewatched the scene, Christian was as clear as can be. I also cried again.

 

[water_wendi]

i was joking about the racism part but why wasn't michael there considering the characters they let in?

Probably the same reason Anna Lucia wasnt ready. Maybe he is holding too much guilt with what has happened and cant let go.. you know, like in Poltergeist? Go into the light and all that?

 

[Calcaneus]

I thought that was known to be fact by now.

It better be.

 

[gdt]

whoa whoa whoa. let’s not set that bar up too high now, shall we?


..seriously? scrubs?

of all time?

Actaully, Scrubs had a pretty damn great series finale (S8).

Is it one of the best ever?

.................................................maybe, sure, I think.

 

[Y2Kev]

Cool.



There's something wrong with being a pedantic brat about it.

I really think it's strange to accuse a diehard Lostie of being pedantic. For years that's what this show's hardcore set were proudly. Finishing an episode, watching it in slow motion, scanning for details, researching links...that sort of dissipated towards the end, but Lost, for a few seasons, was nothing if not pedantic.

You're seeing a reaction to that, I think, as the show shifted focus.

I understand negative reaction (including my own) to "it's all about the characters!" because the best episodes have been great mixes of character and mythology. At least I think so. When you have all mythology, you get Across the Sea, but when you have all character, you get Jack's Tattoos. So it's good to have a nice mix.

 

[gdt]

So how has critical response been, will history define this finale as one of the all time greatest in TV history or will they say it was a bust.

Yeah, it seems to be love it or hate it (or, for some, don't get it).

 

[Vanille]

I think another important loose end they didn't really tie up (or maybe we just mislead ourselves) on why it seemed Aaron was so important...and that it was important that he was not "raised by another."

The fortune teller was a hack. Aaron was never important.

 

[water_wendi]

I think another important loose end they didn't really tie up (or maybe we just mislead ourselves) on why it seemed Aaron was so important...and that it was important that he was not "raised by another."

Because Claire would end up in a plane accident if she were to go through with the adoption?

Widmore's intense desire to get back to the island (why did he want to kill everyone on it)?

So he could rule over it? Power kind of seemed to be Widmores thing.

 

[MiamiWesker]

I think another important loose end they didn't really tie up (or maybe we just mislead ourselves) on why it seemed Aaron was so important...and that it was important that he was not "raised by another."

Again...another example of how it seemed the writers of lost place great importance in someone or something that amounted to nothing.

Walt, Aaron, Widmore's intense desire to get back to the island (why did he want to kill everyone on it)?

There will be a TON of these when you rewatch the series. In terms of answering many questions about the mythology the ending failed but I think the point of the end was to show you that it really didn't matter. Cop out, sure if you want to see it that way. I think the execution was so perfect that they made it work.

 

[yacobod]

man this thread is blowing up, i go away to do some work for a half hour to hours and jumps like 5-6 pages

i'm suprised the finale didnt have better ratings

So how has critical response been, will history define this finale as one of the all time greatest in TV history or will they say it was a bust.

i think it will be pretty well regarded, certainly it will be better regarded than the seinfeld, sopranos, or BSG finales, of great shows with finales that were widely panned

 

[Dez]

I think another important loose end they didn't really tie up (or maybe we just mislead ourselves) on why it seemed Aaron was so important...and that it was important that he was not "raised by another."

Again...another example of how it seemed the writers of lost place great importance in someone or something that amounted to nothing.

Walt, Aaron, Widmore's intense desire to get back to the island (why did he want to kill everyone on it)?

Aaron's lack of importance was explained on the show. The psychic admitted to being a fraud - it was just important in Claire's development.

Widmore's intense desire to get back to the island - simple, he wanted power, he wanted to control the island and discover its secrets.. not much different than Ben.

Walt is the one question that was left unanswered.. and can't we give the writers some slack about that one? They didn't know when they started the series how long they'd go on for, so the story has to change to allow for that.

 

[Meier]

So how has critical response been, will history define this finale as one of the all time greatest in TV history or will they say it was a bust.

Also i can't believe how many people didn't get the ending. This is like a basic comprehension test. I rewatched the scene, Christian was as clear as can be. I also cried again.

http://features.metacritic.com/feat...w-season-6-episode-17-18/?tag=topslot;title;1

Pretty good although there are some dissenting opinions.

I am blown away by the amount of people who cried at this thing. It's really amazing to be that I was so emotionally disconnected from the show and yet many of you are talking of sobbing over it. It's interesting.

 

[NimbusD]

So how has critical response been, will history define this finale as one of the all time greatest in TV history or will they say it was a bust.

Also i can't believe how many people didn't get the ending. This is like a basic comprehension test. I rewatched the scene, Christian was as clear as can be. I also cried again.

Trying to talk to people at work about this is like trying to teach rocket science to a two year old, they just don't get it.

One guy is convinced that they where dead the whole time, and another is convinced that the purgatory sideways is half people who aren't really dead. They can't comprehend that it's free from time and space so that everyone is dead even though they died at different times.

 

[gdt]

In terms of Michael not being at the Church, I thought it was pretty clear that redemption is what you see it as.

Basically, Michal hasn't "let go" yet. He's not ready to forgive, and accept the things he's done.

 

[Dragon]

I really think it's strange to accuse a diehard Lostie of being pedantic. For years that's what this show's hardcore set were proudly. Finishing an episode, watching it in slow motion, scanning for details, researching links...that sort of dissipated towards the end, but Lost, for a few seasons, was nothing if not pedantic.

Well I don't see you responding the same way as he is. Why do you think that is?

 

[Byakuya769]

Well I don't see you responding the same way as he is. Why do you think that is?

He doesn't like bitter tears as much as I. I mean look at you. You're acting as if I ran over your dog.

For the record your first post directed at me...

MIB didn't need to fool the dog at all. Stop making up stuff as you go along. It was probably easiest for him, just like it was easiest to appear as John Locke after he died.

Man.... now why would I get a little more heavy handed after such an innocent post .

 

[gdt]

http://features.metacritic.com/feat...w-season-6-episode-17-18/?tag=topslot;title;1

Pretty good although there are some dissenting opinions.

I am blown away by the amount of people who cried at this thing. It's really amazing to be that I was so emotionally disconnected from the show and yet many of you are talking of sobbing over it. It's interesting.

Man, I didn't just cry, I was fucking loudly balling. Like, racking my shoulders and everything. Several times. I can count that level of crying 3 times, with 2 or 3 tears-rolling-down-my-eyes sessions.

 

[McBacon]

Jack would make a terrible bar tender. "I'll have a gin and tonic" *slurp* "Now you're like me"

 

[Y2Kev]

Well I don't see you responding the same way as he is. Why do you think that is?

I'm really very non-confrontational, almost to a fault

I didn't cry, but I did "feel" the last scene of Jack and Vincent. The Sayid/Shannon scene I actually laughed. Awful idea.

 

[water_wendi]

Trying to talk to people at work about this is like trying to teach rocket science to a two year old, they just don't get it.

One guy is convinced that they where dead the whole time, and another is convinced that the purgatory sideways is half people who aren't really dead. They can't comprehend that it's free from time and space so that everyone is dead even though they died at different times.

When i was watching the finale i was thankful because everything made sense in the end. After reading different posts here i know im going to have to break out the chalkboard to bring my sister up to speed after she finishes it.

 

[CrankyJay]

Aaron's lack of importance was explained on the show. The psychic admitted to being a fraud - it was just important in Claire's development.

Widmore's intense desire to get back to the island - simple, he wanted power, he wanted to control the island and discover its secrets.. not much different than Ben.

Walt is the one question that was left unanswered.. and can't we give the writers some slack about that one? They didn't know when they started the series how long they'd go on for, so the story has to change to allow for that.

Alright...that's a pretty good response. I'll need to rewatch the series. Didn't remember the guy admitted to being a fraud.

 

[KevinCow]

So how has critical response been, will history define this finale as one of the all time greatest in TV history or will they say it was a bust.

Also i can't believe how many people didn't get the ending. This is like a basic comprehension test. I rewatched the scene, Christian was as clear as can be. I also cried again.

I think people will look back on it and say, "HOLY CRAP REMEMBER LOST WHERE IT TURNED OUT THEY WERE ALL DEAD, I TOTALLY GUESSED THAT IN THE FIRST SEASON" because they are dumb.

I talked to my dad about the finale this morning, and he's convinced that they were dead the whole time and the island reality was just a way for them to access the X world. So apparently people die so they can get tested so they can die again and get tested again and then finally move on to the next level of afterlife.

 

[NimbusD]

In terms of Michael not being at the Church, I thought it was pretty clear that redemption is what you see it as.

Basically, Michal hasn't "let go" yet. He's not ready to forgive, and accept the things he's done.

Sayid seems pretty content with being a killer. They borked both of his stories to bad this season. Seriously, his flash sideways is that he sacrifices his freedom to free his brother and the one he loves from these goons, then meets a hot blonde and is A-okay? Its like they wrote the first part of his story without really thinking about how he was going to "awaken".

 

[Meier]

Walt is the one question that was left unanswered..

The one? Really? I'm assuming you're simply referring to the previous poster's 3 questions.. I certainly hope at least.

 

[meppi]

Just finished watching the ending.
Haven't read this thread due to spoilers.

All I can say is that for me it was perfect. Cried my eyes out on several occasions...

 

[Anton Sugar]

I think another important loose end they didn't really tie up (or maybe we just mislead ourselves) on why it seemed Aaron was so important...and that it was important that he was not "raised by another."

Again...another example of how it seemed the writers of lost place great importance in someone or something that amounted to nothing.

Walt, Aaron, Widmore's intense desire to get back to the island (why did he want to kill everyone on it)?

Hmmm...

Claire + Aaron = loving family, sanity
Claire - Aaron = insane mother w/skull baby, homicidal, delusional, etc.

Seems pretty obvious, now that you think about it.

EDIT: Plus, what was said. You can believe the fortune teller is a hack, or the adoption led to the crash, etc.

 

[SimleuqiR]

Dude! This should be converted in to a T-shirt on threadless! :lol

I know I would buy it.

 

[water_wendi]

Alright...that's a pretty good response. I'll need to rewatch the series. Didn't remember the guy admitted to being a fraud.

It was when Mr. Eko visited him on behalf of the Vatican about his daughter "coming back to life" during her autopsy.

 

[witness]

Just finished watching the ending.
Haven't read this thread due to spoilers.

All I can say is that for me it was perfect. Cried my eyes out on several occasions...

Welcome to the club, I don't know when I'll be able to watch it again without crying.

 

[Meier]

Dude! This should be converted in to a T-shirt on threadless! :lol

I know I would buy it.

The problem is that he waited for 3 people...

 

[yacobod]

i teared up a few times during the finale, i think i've found as i've grown older that i am more prone to getting emotional during movies or tv shows, several years ago i was a pretty stone cold bastard, but a few scenes got me last night

 

[dsister44]

whoa whoa whoa. let’s not set that bar up too high now, shall we?


..seriously? scrubs?

of all time?

not the stupid finale but the finale to the penultimate season, I thought they managed to tie up all the characters arcs very well, and I wa snot left wanting anything more (just like the lost finale) these are the only two shows where i've seen the finale and not gone 'aww i really wish they'd done such and such'





skins series 4 win worst finale ive ever seen

 

[CrankyJay]

Yeah...I suppose "The Incident" was the bomb going off...and that it would always happen that way.

Would explain why the hatch has the 108 second timer going...the sum of all the candidate's numbers (4 8 15 16 23 42).

Found this tidbit in Lostpedia:

In an interview with E! in 2009, Damon stated the following in regards to the Numbers: "Here's the story with numbers. The Hanso Foundation that started the Dharma Initiative hired this guy Valenzetti to basically work on this equation to determine what was the probability of the world ending in the wake of the Cuban Missile Crisis. Valenzetti basically deduced that it was 100 percent within the next 27 years, so the Hanso Foundation started the Dharma Initiative in an effort to try to change the variables in the equation so that mankind wouldn't wipe itself out." [1]

 

[MiamiWesker]

Another thing we need to realize is that this was a series ending episode, usually these episodes don't play by the same rules. Endings have a monumental job of wrapping up years of TV in a satisfying manner all while trying show why the show was great in a remembrance kind of way. Most finales aren't regular endings, they don't follow the exact same format, they don't just tell a normal narrative. Most finales bring back old cast members, touch on themes that were presented throughout the show, and try to bring closure to all these characters you love. Some finales try to do this and fail, Seinfeld is argued to be one of those. Some manage to pull it off which I think LOST fall under.

Imagine if the finale was just like any other season finale, just the story of good (Jack) vs. evil (Flocke) and two hours of them in an epic fight to the finish over the fate of the island. The story ends with just the characters who remained alive. Hey we saved the island, yay, is that it, no what, do we live happily ever after? Instead they worked the reunion aspect into the storyline of the final season, they made it fit into the narrative so that they could do a finale that does the show justice. It brought back the characters we all loved, it reminded us why we loved them, all while still telling a natural LOST story. Was it all a but convenient and cheesy, maybe, but so what it was the finale, it would feel right without everyone back, without an ending to the characters.

 

[wenis]

This show is going to end with an eye shot isn't it?

You nailed it....

I was wrong about Richard...though he was found by Miles so I was half right. I honestly didn't expect that one. Team Guyliner 4 Life

FUCK YES YOU WERE WRONG! Booya shacka!

Before tonight, I knew three fucking god damned things about this Island.

Locke is Boss.

Lapidus is dead.

Richard is dead.


Sorry, Solo. Looks like things aren't going our way.

I feel so vindicated after last nights episode. My doubters got it rubbed in their face

Uh-oh, Desmond removed the magic dildo from the ultimate glory hole.

Pretty much. I wonder what he would have seen if he had looked down it.

Quoting myself because I cant fucking stop crying. My hands are fucking shaking :lol Tears of SOLO JOYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

How cute.

Did I miss something? How did they get Ben free?

Definitely one of my problems with last night. I let it slide, but whatever. Didn't make much sense if you ask me.

"I don't believe in a lot of things, but I do believe in duct tape" :lol :lol :lol

That's a T-shirt right there. I'd buy one if I already didn't have a feeling a million other people would be walking around with the same thing scrawled on their T's as well.

And this time its something that's actually good!

lol, I forgot what you were referring to here, but it must have been bad.

Call it, ended on an eye shot.

Amen, brotha.

It was a good show last night. Gunna continue to let it gestate and ponder back about it before I watch it again. Maybe in a week or two I will, but not right now. The Hurley bird will forever remain a mystery.

 

[flyover]

The problem is that he waited for 3 people...

Okay, then...

 

[thekad]

Its like they wrote the first part of his story without really thinking about how he was going to "awaken".

Participating in a violent act to save an innocent? Nah, they definitely shot that one from the hip.

 

[JGS]

I think another important loose end they didn't really tie up (or maybe we just mislead ourselves) on why it seemed Aaron was so important...and that it was important that he was not "raised by another."

Again...another example of how it seemed the writers of lost place great importance in someone or something that amounted to nothing.

Walt, Aaron, Widmore's intense desire to get back to the island (why did he want to kill everyone on it)?

Aaron played a very big role in the series. The warning could have been as simple as having another raising Arron will make Claire crazy.

I thought there was an episode where the psychic admitted to being a phony though so maybe Jacob was playing with his mind to get Claire to the Island.

 

[diztrukted]

I can actually join this thread now that i've seen everything there is to see.
I'm sure there are plenty of questions and plot holes and things like that, but rather than putting blame on the show itself, i think it'd be fun to dwell on these questions and determine the answers on collectively.


That being said. WHY THE F*CK did the dharma initiative take Michael's son? what happened to Mr. Eko and the paulu and the chick (tv show star). What about froyo guy? Where they all dead the whole time? What happened to desmond? he never died!

 

[Lion Heart]

I'm so sad that Lost has ended, since it was such a big part of my life (well the entertainment part) and now there will be an empty hole where no TV show or film can fill unless it's just that, another Lost. Like Blade Runner, Red Dwarf and The Matrix before it. There may not be another TV show like it for me personally for a while anyway. I'll definitely give it a rewatch over the summer and turn my attention to Dexter and videogames to ease the pain.

I love you Lost.

This is me (and probably most of us) to a tee. I remember after the Matrix ended, I was very sad, I never thought fictional entertainment would ever entertain me as much ever again. But Lost came only a few years after and now its my favourite show of all time. It's brought me so many memories, I can remember exactly where I was when I watched certain episodes and what was going on in my life as well. It will always have a place in my heart but I really look forward to the next "Lost", whatever it may be. Hell, there's always the annual rewatch Lost thread amirite? (BBirdie Im counting on you) :lol

After a few weeks when my brain accepts that Lost is over, I think I'll check out Supernatural. TBH it looks stupid from my limited impressions but I also wrote Lost off when I read a synopsis about the show in S1 (never watched til late S2) so I will not be doing that again.

 

[thekad]

I can actually join this thread now that i've seen everything there is to see.
I'm sure there are plenty of questions and plot holes and things like that, but rather than putting blame on the show itself, i think it'd be fun to dwell on these questions and determine the answers on collectively.


That being said. WHY THE F*CK did the dharma initiative take Michael's son? what happened to Mr. Eko and the paulu and the chick (tv show star). What about froyo guy? Where they all dead the whole time? What happened to desmond? he never died!

Fuck, that's a lot of plotholes. I can't believe I watched this show for six seasons.

 

[gdt]

I can actually join this thread now that i've seen everything there is to see.
I'm sure there are plenty of questions and plot holes and things like that, but rather than putting blame on the show itself, i think it'd be fun to dwell on these questions and determine the answers on collectively.


That being said. WHY THE F*CK did the dharma initiative take Michael's son? what happened to Mr. Eko and the paulu and the chick (tv show star). What about froyo guy? Where they all dead the whole time? What happened to desmond? he never died!

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...

 

[MiamiWesker]

After this thread is gone, we need to make "The Church" thread where all of LOST-GAF could meet again and talk about the show forever.

 

[water_wendi]

That being said. WHY THE F*CK did the dharma initiative take Michael's son? what happened to Mr. Eko and the paulu and the chick (tv show star). What about froyo guy? Where they all dead the whole time? What happened to desmond? he never died!

i cant tell if this is brilliant trolling or not :lol :lol

 

[CrankyJay]

The Walt thing may never be explained, but I'm thinking he was taken at the request of Jacob but that storyline never played out.

Nikki and Paolo were "B" characters...their existence didn't really matter.

The actor who played Eko wanted off the show for whatever reason, so they had to write him out. I wonder how different the series may have been if he stuck around, but the show technically already did have a man of faith.