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[Radogol]

I would like to think one day another group of people come to the island and find the wreckage of 815 and it would be as big a mindfuck to them as finding the Black Rock was to us

Especially since the plane was found as far as the outside world is concerned.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

I think all of the damned explosions would be the thing to fuck with them :lol


Blown up boat in the middle of the Island, blown up hatch with a huge hole in the ground, sub chunks over by where Locke had his fun. After exploring the Island a bit the new survivors would be scared shitless of invisible landmines and rocket launchers.

A couple destroyed Dharma stations, abandoned barracks, a pile of dead 316 corpses, 2 blown up subs, evidence of 2 plane crashes....this place is fucked up.:lol

They may as well start a spin off show about people trying to figure out what the hell happened in the last show.

 

[Raist]

The fact of the matter is that the donkey wheel room has hieroglyphics that weren't there at the time of Across the Sea...because well the room didn't exist then. I guess Darlton got their Egyptian shit wrong.

Like gdt said it doesn't really matter anyway.

Htere's a few hiccups with the egyptian stuff yeah. That being said, Dharma put egytian hyeroglyphs in the Hatch, and apparently kids were learning how to read them in the school. So you could argue that whomever built the wheel eventually used hyeroglyphs for whatever reason.
Which leads to the question: why being so obsessed with egyptian stuff when it actully had absolutely no importance whatsoever. I mean, it's everywhere in the show...

 

[YoungHav]

Granted, I haven't watched wrestling since about 1998, but unless something drastically changed after that, you do realize that you just said LOST > BB/TW > 24, right?

What I meant was nWo >>>>>>>> the rockers. But like someone said, I shall not disrespect Lost, The Wire, and Breaking Bad by putting. 24 in the same sentence as them. 24 is written by freshman yr of college interns. Embarrassingly bad writing at times.

 

[ZeoVGM]

24 doesn't even belong in the same sentence as Lost, The Wire and Breaking Bad.

With seasons like 1, 5, and 7, it absolutely does belong in the same sentence as Lost.

 

[brandonh83]

With seasons like 1, 5, and 7, it absolutely does belong in the same sentence as Lost.

I don't agree with that, but 24 has been, on occasion, a fantastic show with some very unforgettable moments.

 

[Igoritza]

Htere's a few hiccups with the egyptian stuff yeah. That being said, Dharma put egytian hyeroglyphs in the Hatch, and apparently kids were learning how to read them in the school. So you could argue that whomever built the wheel eventually used hyeroglyphs for whatever reason.
Which leads to the question: why being so obsessed with egyptian stuff when it actully had absolutely no importance whatsoever. I mean, it's everywhere in the show...

exactly the stuff that made the show FOR ME - a failure.

i get it, how people liked the end, but for us that like to put the finger on it, it really doesnt make sense.

personally, it bothers me that the show is full of instances that had nothing to do with the story.

hieroglyphics on the donkey wheel - well, i have a possible explanation for that:

Just like the mother was a pre-Jacob version, there was a pre-MiB version. and, he lived with the MiB's others, no one actually knowing that he was awesome ancient Egyptian.

so, when the MiB and the others built the wheel, he carved the glyphs on it, marking something, possibly an explanation of what is going on.

and, that kinda explains the MiB's knowledge about electromagnetism, and advanced science, that he himself told, came from other people: "here we have a lot of smart people, knowing things" - the theoretical egyptian dude learned a lot, and his apprentices (ancient Richard Alpert-type persons)

 

[sc0la]

A couple destroyed Dharma stations, abandoned barracks, a pile of dead 316 corpses, 2 blown up subs, evidence of 2 plane crashes....this place is fucked up.:lol

They may as well start a spin off show about people trying to figure out what the hell happened in the last show.

Any visitors to the island in the future wouldn't care about all that stuff though. They would care about the relationships the previous inhabitants had with each other.

 

[brandonh83]

Again, the Egyptian stuff is not meant to be plot-related. It's a detail. When Dharma came to the island, they discovered all the Egyptian markings and what not. Dharma had a long-term engagement to trying to discover the secrets of the island. They were there for a very long time, and part of what they taught in the Dharma school relates to the Egyptian stuff so that the kids can better understand it. That's all. Like any other institute, people are taught and trained in specific areas. Dharma built the various stations on the island, and in the Swan station, you have hieroglyphics appear on the countdown counter. It's nothing more than Dharma trying to learn as much as they can about the island's history and to help do that they try to incorporate everything they learn about the Egyptian's time on the island to what they do. There's not a giant twist concerning the Egyptians. They're a detail, albeit a pretty vast one, that left their mark on the island and subsequent groups of people who came after them, in efforts to learn more about the island, studied whatever the Egyptians left behind in hopes of learning everything they can.

That's why they teach the Dharma kids Egyptian stuff in school.
That's why hieroglyphics appear on the Swan counter.

It's easy stuff to get a mental grasp on. The Egyptians were just as interested in the island as Dharma, as Widmore, and as some of the markings on the cork reveal, even perhaps the ancient Sumerians-- and they all left their own marks on the island in their time there, both to help them understand the island and record what they learn about it for future newcomers to the mysterious place. It shows that over history, various civilizations have all pitched in on island lore, trying to uncover its mysteries in their own ways. The Egyptians aren't any more important than Dharma in the long run of it all.

 

[Drealmcc0y]

Any visitors to the island in the future wouldn't care about all that stuff though. They would care about the relationships the previous inhabitants had with each other.

Well the next group of survivors could be full of john lockalikes

 

[Drealmcc0y]

Again, the Egyptian stuff is not meant to be plot-related. It's a detail. When Dharma came to the island, they discovered all the Egyptian markings and what not. Dharma had a long-term engagement to trying to discover the secrets of the island. They were there for a very long time, and part of what they taught in the Dharma school relates to the Egyptian stuff so that the kids can better understand it. That's all. Like any other institute, people are taught and trained in specific areas. Dharma built the various stations on the island, and in the Swan station, you have hieroglyphics appear on the countdown counter. It's nothing more than Dharma trying to learn as much as they can about the island's history and to help do that they try to incorporate everything they learn about the Egyptian's time on the island to what they do. There's not a giant twist concerning the Egyptians. They're a detail, albeit a pretty vast one, that left their mark on the island and subsequent groups of people who came after them, in efforts to learn more about the island, studied whatever the Egyptians left behind in hopes of learning everything they can.

That's why they teach the Dharma kids Egyptian stuff in school.
That's why hieroglyphics appear on the Swan counter.

It's easy stuff to get a mental grasp on. The Egyptians were just as interested in the island as Dharma, as Widmore, and as some of the markings on the cork reveal, even perhaps the ancient Sumerians-- and they all left their own marks on the island in their time there, both to help them understand the island and record what they learn about it for future newcomers to the mysterious place. It shows that over history, various civilizations have all pitched in on island lore, trying to uncover its mysteries in their own ways. The Egyptians aren't any more important than Dharma in the long run of it all.

This.Yes.Awesome

 

[Archaix]

Any visitors to the island in the future wouldn't care about all that stuff though. They would care about the relationships the previous inhabitants had with each other.

They'd care for a bit, then quickly realize they have their own shit going on and that all of this crazy destruction could be explained by "We aren't the first ones here, this place has been a mess for a long ass time" and they'd move on.

 

[InaudibleWhispa]

Some of the hieroglyphics in the temple translate to "Resurrection", which makes perfect sense given the pool. Those same hieroglyphs are seen in the Donkey Wheel room, in which the translation doesn't make much sense. I like to think that MIB, hieroglyphs possibly being the only form of written word he has been introduced to, copied the symbols into the Donkey Wheel room without knowing what it meant, as if carrying on tradition or simply because that was all he knew. You could conclude that Dharma did the same thing in the hatch; used Egyptian symbols simply because of their prominence on the island. But originally, I think the Egyptian stuff was introduced simply to show how people have been on the island for thousands of years. Not because Egyptian mythology played any major role in unlocking the mysteries.

 

[njean777]

its because of the egyptian stuff that i loved this show and still do, anything ancient egyptian is instantly amazing imo.

 

[Raist]

Again, the Egyptian stuff is not meant to be plot-related. It's a detail. When Dharma came to the island, they discovered all the Egyptian markings and what not. Dharma had a long-term engagement to trying to discover the secrets of the island. They were there for a very long time, and part of what they taught in the Dharma school relates to the Egyptian stuff so that the kids can better understand it. That's all. Like any other institute, people are taught and trained in specific areas. Dharma built the various stations on the island, and in the Swan station, you have hieroglyphics appear on the countdown counter. It's nothing more than Dharma trying to learn as much as they can about the island's history and to help do that they try to incorporate everything they learn about the Egyptian's time on the island to what they do. There's not a giant twist concerning the Egyptians. They're a detail, albeit a pretty vast one, that left their mark on the island and subsequent groups of people who came after them, in efforts to learn more about the island, studied whatever the Egyptians left behind in hopes of learning everything they can.

That's why they teach the Dharma kids Egyptian stuff in school.
That's why hieroglyphics appear on the Swan counter.

It's easy stuff to get a mental grasp on. The Egyptians were just as interested in the island as Dharma, as Widmore, and as some of the markings on the cork reveal, even perhaps the ancient Sumerians-- and they all left their own marks on the island in their time there, both to help them understand the island and record what they learn about it for future newcomers to the mysterious place. It shows that over history, various civilizations have all pitched in on island lore, trying to uncover its mysteries in their own ways. The Egyptians aren't any more important than Dharma in the long run of it all.

That's quite the hypocrisy.
I mean, it's not a "detail" when, as you mention, the viewer is introduced to the DI which tries to decipher the mysteries of the island, and seems keen on using/learning hyeroglyphs, Jacob is living in the statue of an egyptian god and spends his free time knitting a traditional egyptian carpet or something, there's hyeroglyphs in every major and mysterious place on the island (and drawings too, see Anubis with Smokey), etc, etc ,etc.
Not to mention that Lost-GAF as a whole went crazy about egyptian stuff at some point (thus thinking it was a big deal), trying to decode writings and thinking that Jacob and MIB were egyptian gods having fun on the island.

I guess the writers thought it was awesome and completely dropped it when they realised that Stargate has, in a way, been there done that.

 

[brandonh83]

I mean, it's not a "detail" when, as you mention, the viewer is introduced to the DI which tries to decipher the mysteries of the island, and seems keen on using/learning hyeroglyphs, Jacob is living in the statue of an egyptian god and spends his free time knitting a traditional egyptian carpet or something, there's hyeroglyphs in every major and mysterious place on the island (and drawings too, see Anubis with Smokey), etc, etc ,etc.
Not to mention that Lost-GAF as a whole went crazy about egyptian stuff at some point (thus thinking it was a big deal), trying to decode writings and thinking that Jacob and MIB were egyptian gods having fun on the island.

They never spend a considerable amount of time on any of the Egyptian stuff. Yes, there is a lot of Egyptian details incorporated into various things such as architecture and whatnot, but they never make it any sort of vastly important plot detail. The Egyptian aspect of the show has been nothing but window dressing. It's a detail they chose to add variety to the history of the island and I cannot recall one scene where anyone sits down and starts rattling off about Egyptian stuff. It's never been a point of focus.

 

[bachikarn]

It is completely reasonable to expect the Egyptians in some form were a big deal to the overall mythology or plot of Lost. There were so many hints and details throughout the show. They ended up just being one of the many groups who were on the Island, and I'm okay with that, but it is totally understandable for people to expect them to have a bigger role.

 

[brandonh83]

Welp I threw in my personal .02 and can do no more than that.

 

[Solo]

Who gives a fuuuuuuck 'bout Egyptian stuff on the island?

 

[brandonh83]

Who gives a fuuuuuuck 'bout Egyptian stuff on the island?

I do, but not because of the storyline.

 

[Drealmcc0y]

Who gives a fuuuuuuck 'bout Egyptian stuff on the island?

Igoritza

 

[Aesius]

I was almost certain during S4 that there was going to be a reveal connecting the island more concretely with Tunisia. As in, the island used to actually BE in Tunisia. Hence the Egyptian influences.

 

[Igoritza]

Igoritza

'fcourse i do.

it's like watching X files, and at the end of the show, you say - who gives a f*ck about aliens, important thing is that Scully and Mulder are in a relationship.

 

[.GqueB.]

Jacob and MIB were born after all that egyptian shit, so how the hell was there Smoke monster heiroglyphics on the island?

Convenient answer --> when Ben turned the wheel the island went back to ancient egyptian 5000BC time and the egyptians on the island encountered smokey!

Thats not really "convenient". Its probably exactly what happened. The survivors of flight 815 set off an atomic bomb in the 70's because of time travel (or whatever you wanna call it). How is what you said only "convenient"?

 

[Kurtofan]

'fcourse i do.

it's like watching X files, and at the end of the show, you say - who gives a f*ck about aliens, important thing is that Scully and Mulder are in a relationship.

I think this is a bad example since the X files were pretty shitty in the latter seasons.

 

[Solo]

'fcourse i do.

it's like watching X files, and at the end of the show, you say - who gives a f*ck about aliens, important thing is that Scully and Mulder are in a relationship.

Fucking terrible example. X-Files was about aliens and shit. LOST was not about Egyptian symbols.

 

[Drealmcc0y]

'fcourse i do.

it's like watching X files, and at the end of the show, you say - who gives a f*ck about aliens, important thing is that Scully and Mulder are in a relationship.

except the island mystery was very much there in the last season, I mean shit they went INTO the heart of the island in the finale

 

[njean777]

Who gives a fuuuuuuck 'bout Egyptian stuff on the island?

I DO

 

[Igoritza]

Fucking terrible example. X-Files was about aliens and shit. LOST was not about Egyptian symbols.

your argument is terrible.

ok, so we saw "the heart of the island" but that it pretty much.

the island, and all the mysteries that surround the island are left to a speculation. c'mon, we saw the heart of the island, and what was that ? -

a mystical vagina, plunged by a mystical rocky pennis, with no knowledge whatsoever of who and why put it there.

the show WAS about the mystical island, egyptian stuff being a large part of it, cause it was led to a speculation that Summers, and Egyptians made all the island basic objects.

you people all are LYING!

you say that it is NOT important why there is a mystical island, why are there all the egyptian stuff, why do certain people have uber abilities, why do dead walk among living, why there are statues, why there is a time travel, but in fact - NO ONE would watch this sho if it werent for that things.

if you say - the characters are important, that SURELY means that this all could happen in the different setting. for example - they all got LOST in a desert, or an abandoned ancient temple, or a prison, or an unknown forest somewhere in the world. NO MAGIC or mystic stuff should be there, if the CHARACTERS ARE IMPORTANT.

so tell me - HONESTLY - would you really watch the show for 6 season, if there were only character development, and not the magical mystical mambo jumbo ?

 

[Drealmcc0y]

:lol

 

[Drealmcc0y]

so tell me - HONESTLY - would you really watch the show for 6 season, if there were only character development, and not the magical mystical mambo jumbo ?

No i wouldnt watch the show, but i dont need answers to why the statue was built or how someone has magical bluddy powers :lol

 

[Raist]

Fucking terrible example. X-Files was about aliens and shit. LOST was not about Egyptian symbols.

Nope, but it was all about mysteries and the past civilizations/organizations colonizing the island, the island's magical properties, Smokey, and Jacob.

We end up with "DI was some kind of Club Med led by weirdos", "we know fuck all about egyptians after all", "magic comes from the heart of the island which is a sink with a plug, and a glowing golden light", "Smokey and Jacob were just Roman bros adopted by a crazy woman who was the previous guardian of the island".

I see so many people saying "who cares, it's all about character development!!11 Locke > Jack > Hurley!" and this kind of stuff, but if I wanted a show focused on character relations (with your fair share of generic daddy issues, impossible relationships and stuff) I wouldn't have watched Lost.
What drove the hype and the many discussion/theories about this show were the scifi/mythological elements, not the fact that Jack hated his dad and Sawyer wanted to find the dude who killed his parents.

The fact that eventually the former didn't apparently matter at all, and what's important is that characters end up in paradise or whatever and are gonna be happy until the end of times is a very poor way to conclude the series IMO.
That's exactly why I despise DT so much. Build an intriguing world, hook the reader/viewer with many mysteries, and eventually trash all that stuff to spend most of the last chapters/episodes with poor explanations and a heavy focus on characters.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

Forget it, Lost-GAF. It's Igoritza.

 

[.GqueB.]

your argument is terrible.

ok, so we saw "the heart of the island" but that it pretty much.

the island, and all the mysteries that surround the island are left to a speculation. c'mon, we saw the heart of the island, and what was that ? -

a mystical vagina, plunged by a mystical rocky pennis, with no knowledge whatsoever of who and why put it there.

the show WAS about the mystical island, egyptian stuff being a large part of it, cause it was led to a speculation that Summers, and Egyptians made all the island basic objects.

you people all are LYING!

you say that it is NOT important why there is a mystical island, why are there all the egyptian stuff, why do certain people have uber abilities, why do dead walk among living, why there are statues, why there is a time travel, but in fact - NO ONE would watch this sho if it werent for that things.

if you say - the characters are important, that SURELY means that this all could happen in the different setting. for example - they all got LOST in a desert, or an abandoned ancient temple, or a prison, or an unknown forest somewhere in the world. NO MAGIC or mystic stuff should be there, if the CHARACTERS ARE IMPORTANT.

so tell me - HONESTLY - would you really watch the show for 6 season, if there were only character development, and not the magical mystical mambo jumbo ?

I watched the wire for 5 seasons with no problem. Fact is, up until the moment the island moved, this show has mostly been about these characters. I thought Ben and Locke were two of the most interesting characters every conceived (mostly due to the actors playing them).

Even in the first few seasons in the midst of all the weird shit I was still caught up in the characters. Even during all the button pushing talk, I was waiting for Desmond to realize he knew Jack from somewhere.

I will say that the show DID shift focus to the island during the last few seasons. And I will admit that I HATED where it went during season 6 where they got pretty heavy handed with it. I hated it because the characters started acting against themselves because the writers didnt wanna give too much away. It came off as stupid.

But the finale ended up being very character driven and for some reason it made me forget about all the mystical stuff going on. In the end, for me, it ended up not mattering as much. How many shows or stories actually delved into why strange stuff happens? Its VERY rare.

 

[Zabka]

Jacob and MIB were born after all that egyptian shit

Why is this considered a fact? The only reference (on TV) to the time period of Jacob and MIB was "over 2000 years ago" from the recap. Ancient Egyptian religion was still being practiced into the first and second century AD.

 

[HowardRoark]

Yeah, I absolutely love Egyptian shit. Their architecture and mathematical precision was staggering.

I was thinking that I'm pretty sure that we are to assume that the Egyptian stuff pre-dates the birth of Jacob and MIB. Fake mother's weavings are a clue, along with the senet board.

 

[bogg]

I can't understand how anyone who watched lost only for the mysteries and mythology managed to put up with the show for six seasons.
Maybe they thought season 6 will answer every fucking question they had since season 1 and focus on the science behind making an island move through space and time. :lol

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

if you had to pick one favorite theme, which one would it be?

i'd go with ''hollywood & vines.'' no doubt. it just makes me wanna climb mountains and go on this badass adventure and shit. one of my favorite themes of all time.

Probably this. It's the first one I really started noticing. Before I knew the name I internally referred to it as the "Exodus" music since it was used for big traveling. That or maybe the "dying" music. I still don't know the name of most of these tracks. :lol

 

[ClosingADoor]

I can't understand how anyone who watched lost only for the mysteries and mythology managed to put up with the show for six seasons.
Maybe they thought season 6 will answer every fucking question they had since season 1 and focus on the science behind making an island move through space and time. :lol

I watched for both. Was disappointed with the lack of background info on the island we got in this season, but well, I can life with it.

 

[dorkimoe]

who is standing behind desmond on the boxart? the guy

 

[Nameless]

Welp LOST-GAF I'm ready. No, No, I'm not leaving-just moving on.

 

[Raist]

I can't understand how anyone who watched lost only for the mysteries and mythology managed to put up with the show for six seasons.
Maybe they thought season 6 will answer every fucking question they had since season 1 and focus on the science behind making an island move through space and time. :lol

That's the writer's own fault, not the viewers. You don't build a show for FIVE seasons with 90% mysteries and 10% character development, only to do a U turn for the final season, with a mix of poor answers thrown away, inconsistencies and no answers at all, and then say that people were stupid to expect answers.
Lost capitalized way too much on that to get an audience and loads of hype/discussions. I personally didn't expect everything to be answered, but they didn't deliver anywhere close to what I expected.

 

[Solo]

90% mysteries and 10% character development

This isn't the show I was watching.

 

[Drealmcc0y]

This isn't the show I was watching.

Seriously.

Season 1 was literally 95% character based

 

[Kurtofan]

This isn't the show I was watching.

Yep me neither.

 

[Raist]

This isn't the show I was watching.

Oh please. I'm not talking in terms of time, as there was loads of flashbacks and stuff, but in terms of impact...
I don't remember anyone freaking out and going on 5 pages long rants when it was revealed that Kate was a fugitive. I do remember that when they killed a fucking polar bear on the island, went inside the hatch, or when we saw Jacob and MIB for the first time.

I think most of the audience was expecting answers, and while there clearly wasn't enough provided, some people were just content with the drama and happy ending. But don't pretend that Lost was all about the characters. Especially since the building of these characters was completely intertwined with the weird stuff happening on the island. People love Desmond because he's different as far as time travel and stuff goes, Faraday because he potentially had scientific answers, and Locke because he had faith, and was resurrected to become an even bigger badass (well, it wasn't him after all, but you get the point). All the popular characters were tied to the mysteries. No one gave a shit about the ones that didn't really have any connection with that.

 

[Blader]

What is this "no answers" shit? There have been plenty of damn answers.

 

[Nameless]

Oh please. I'm not talking in terms of time, as there was loads of flashbacks and stuff, but in terms of impact...
I don't remember anyone freaking out and going on 5 pages long rants when it was revealed that Kate was a fugitive. I do remember that when they killed a fucking polar bear on the island, went inside the hatch, or when we saw Jacob and MIB for the first time.

I think most of the audience was expecting answers, and while there clearly wasn't enough provided, some people were just content with the drama and happy ending. But don't pretend that Lost was all about the characters. Especially since the building of these characters was completely intertwined with the weird stuff happening on the island. People love Desmond because he's different as far as time travel and stuff goes, Faraday because he potentially had scientific answers, and Locke because he had faith, and was resurrected to become an even bigger badass (well, it wasn't him after all, but you get the point).

You really mustn't have been paying attention. The show gave us MOST of the answers to the questions/mysteries it posed.

 

[Raist]

You really mustn't have been paying attention. The show gave us MOST of the answers to the questions/mysteries it posed.

Certainly not most, and the large majority of the answers provided were like a 30secs scene which didn't really provide an answer anyways, or poor answers with loads of inconsistencies.

 

[Kurtofan]

Certainly not most, and the large majority of the answers provided were like a 30secs scene which didn't really provide an answer anyways, or poor answers with loads of inconsistencies.

What important mysteries remain?