LOST 06.17/18/18.5: "The End" (Everything Else Was Just Progress)

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Jocchan said:
Well, I actually said that you can be unsatisfied by the answers, but the point is they do exist.
A lot of stuff is just hinted and left open-ended, but you can came up with reasonable conclusions. This means that some answers do exist, they just can be disappointing.
And that was my point :)
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Sure. That's all I've been saying. Really disappointed by the way they provided answers and how it felt like a minor issue in the final season.

Exactly, many depictions of Taweret had four toes.
And it's pretty easy to imagine why Egyptians would build a statue of Taweret on the island.
Of course we were letting our imagination run free and thought of aliens or ancient civilizations before the human race, so in the end the answer was much less exciting... but there was still one.
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Well yeah, that was a decent answer (mind you, the actual identity of the god was only revealed in a coded message in a magazine, or you could figure it -with a bit of luck- if you did some research online). However, it was one more thing contributing to the feeling that egyptian stuff was very important for the plot, which eventually turned out to be completely irrelevant.
 
Chasteleth said:
Sorry to move off-topic a bit but I have a question about the DVDs/Blu-rays.

I have the first 5 seasons on DVD (UK versions) and the finales are all split up into their individual parts with added "previously on lost" segments. This really annoys me and messes with the pacing (particularly with through the looking glass, my favourite episode). Is this the case with the U.S version of the DVDs or is it the same? I'm planning to buy the complete collection on blu-ray eventually but I would rather import the US version if they don't split the finales.
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I'm pretty sure they don't. I'm in the UK and I've suffered through that too.

You can find detailed information on Lostpedia about it.
 
I think the writers did good by not resorting to a universal answer for everything, like nanomachines in MGS4. God knows I love MGS4 but that shit was incredibly lazy and unforgivable. Fortunately I thought mostly everything in the game was great so I let it slide. The Man in Black being the smoke monster, and how the monster takes forms of people like Christian almost ended up being a universal answer for several mysteries, but I felt in the end they even played it safe there, because as most people have pointed out, there are certain reasons why not every Christian appearance could have been the smoke monster.

So it's like, they either choose to answer something in an organic way by giving us logical information that allows us to easily fill in the gaps, or they provide an answer that doesn't satisfy everyone, or they provide a universal answer like Kojima did with nanomachines which practically upsets everyone OR you give a quick hand-out like Michael and the whispers, and we all saw how that turned out (lazy as fuck). I think considering the workload they had in front of them that they did a pretty good job with a lot of things.
 
Drealmcc0y said:
People are cheated by it. CHEATED
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thekad said:
Except the statue does have an "answer." Or are you complaining that not every act break is central to the story?
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True story: In last week's GAF topic I was accused of being a hopeless LOST defender when I was arguing with someone that was saying S6 was shit.

People that don't love 100% of every aspect of LOST don't need to be run out of this topic. I'm not being rude or sarcastic to you in any way.

LOST predicated itself on its mysteries, but now LOSTGAF insists it was a character show from the start. Which is at least half-true, but it's disingenuous to claim that... it ignores the LOST craziness. Or claiming that it wasn't the island hijinks that people talked about the next day at work, or blogged about. The writers knew this.

That's part of the brilliance of LOST - it was a serialized sci-fi show with lots of mysteries, AND got to be a character drama. I'm almost positive that's how it was pitched to the networks. "Our show will have the on-island mystery always moving forward, but each episode will also have flashback, character-centric vignettes that will stand on their own and reveal more about these mysterious people, and serve as stand-alone dramatic arcs"

The issue is that one half of LOST ended up being serviced much better than the other, in the end.
 
You're fine Justin. As far as I'm concerned, you're good company. I respect opinions as long as I see that someone isn't just here to hate. Your posts about how they address mysteries and how people feel cheated about certain things is fine. I kind of disagree but like you, I spelled out exactly why. But there are some people that just like to come in and butt heads. You're not one of them, so have a seat.
 
MMaRsu said:
Hahaha Oh my god I had no idea that Sawyer was the first ever vampire you see in Angel :lol . I'm watching the first episode right now and he's the first vamp you see :lol

Can't find it on youtube cause there's no Angel stuff in there, but he's at 1:40 :lol
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Yeah I did a double take watching Hitman the other day because Desmond is in the movie as this Russian gunsmith.
 
DarkUFO counts Lost as having 628 mysteries over it's run. Some huge, some absolutely minor. By the end of the show, they have 68 major mysteries that remain unresolved. Obviously what is considered 'Major' will vary from person to person, and some people will claim that a lot of the remaining questions can and/or have been answered (it's just not marked off unless a definitive answer has been given). I think, considering the amount of people whining, that they answered a fair amount of questions. There are quite a few minor questions left, but at the end of the day they answered more questions than they left hanging and I'd say most of the questions left either aren't worth bothering about, are great to theorise about, or are part of a never-ending question spiral (Who gave Jacob his power? Mother. Who gave mother her power?). And there are a few legitimate questions that we all have.

But whatever, the whole answers thing is blown massively out of proportion. Lost fans just have a massive sense of entitlement for answers that doesn't seem to exist with any other fantasy show or movie, despite the fact that answers have never been promised (at least not to the extent that people want them).
 
I think what some people aren't understanding is that it's not a matter of whether something was answered or not. It's a matter of how IMPORTANT some stuff was made to be. Some misdirection and some red herrings are fine... that's the nature of mystery storytelling. If you use dialogue, music, and cuts to commercial to make it seem like something is important, but then it isn't... that isn't good, in my opinion.

Many people think LOST does it too much, and it begins to feel like you're being jerked around.

"Oh you remember that season cliffhanger? Turns out that isn't important or relevant to anything, really. We still had no problem letting people speculate about it for months, though!"

For the record I like LOST... a lot. Walkabout blew my mind when it aired and I was hooked, and got my whole family hooked. I think it was impeccably shot, acted, and scored. I think it was a show for smart people that rewarded viewers that paid attention and connected the dots on their own. I mourn that there's not more TV out there like it, but I'm glad it at least opened the door for others to try, even if they have mostly failed (V, Flash Forward).

The reason the "no answers" camp is so large is not because there are no answers, ironically enough. It's that a lot of the "DUN DUN DUNNNNN" moments from Season 1-3 end up not mattering... at all. And that confuses the average TV viewer. If you're going to go out of your way to say "holy shit look at this statue" but then it doesn't matter for shit... that confuses people.

I'm not saying I agree with that group of viewers, but I can at least sympathize with them. It feels manipulative.
 
GDJustin said:
The reason the "no answers" camp is so large is not because there are no answers, ironically enough. It's that a lot of the "DUN DUN DUNNNNN" moments from Season 1-3 end up not mattering... at all. And that confuses the average TV viewer. If you're going to go out of your way to say "holy shit look at this statue" but then it doesn't matter for shit... that confuses people.

I'm not saying I agree with that group of viewers, but I can at least sympathize with them. It feels manipulative.
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A statue by itself really wouldn't be that big of a deal. The uproar was because the statue had 4 toes. That was answered, but now people need to know who built it and when. Why? "Because the statue was important". According to who? They made it important by focusing on it so much. It's just a weird statue, and now we know why it was weird (which also happened to pretty much answer who built it).
 
brandonh83 said:
I think the writers did good by not resorting to a universal answer for everything, like nanomachines in MGS4. God knows I love MGS4 but that shit was incredibly lazy and unforgivable. Fortunately I thought mostly everything in the game was great so I let it slide. The Man in Black being the smoke monster, and how the monster takes forms of people like Christian almost ended up being a universal answer for several mysteries, but I felt in the end they even played it safe there, because as most people have pointed out, there are certain reasons why not every Christian appearance could have been the smoke monster.

So it's like, they either choose to answer something in an organic way by giving us logical information that allows us to easily fill in the gaps, or they provide an answer that doesn't satisfy everyone, or they provide a universal answer like Kojima did with nanomachines which practically upsets everyone OR you give a quick hand-out like Michael and the whispers, and we all saw how that turned out (lazy as fuck). I think considering the workload they had in front of them that they did a pretty good job with a lot of things.
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That's pretty much how I felt about the magic cave, and that wasn't really even an answer :/ It was basically "explaining" the island's and Jacob's power, and Smokey. But it didn't really make sense and felt a bit inconsistent to me.
On the other hand, I was quite fine with the polar bear, the statue, the 108 minute button pressing, that kind of stuff. But these were minor parts of the whole mystery.
 
GDJustin said:
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I agree for the most part. I think Lost dropped the ball on some of the mythology stuff, but it did a lot of stuff well so it doesn't bother me that much. I think Lost is at its best when it blends mythology and character drama (like the Constant). The Whispers for example, I think completely failed. I read the spoilers beforehand and found out we'd find out about them being ghosts during the Hurley episode, so I thought the entire episode would be devoted to Hurley and how he talks to dead people. Instead it was a forced revelation at the end that had very little to do with the episode.
 
Raist said:
Sure. That's all I've been saying. Really disappointed by the way they provided answers and how it felt like a minor issue in the final season.



Well yeah, that was a decent answer (mind you, the actual identity of the god was only revealed in a coded message in a magazine, or you could figure it -with a bit of luck- if you did some research online). However, it was one more thing contributing to the feeling that egyptian stuff was very important for the plot, which eventually turned out to be completely irrelevant.
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You know, the fact the Egyptian stuff ended up being irrelevant is probably the thing that irks me most about the Egyptian-themed box set.
Hurley's mom was more relevant to the plot, they should have based it on her then :/

Veidt said:
holy fucking shit

and I thought it couldn't get worse:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjw581lFvFU
:lol :lol :lol
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What the flying fuck?
 
I don't understand why ecko would be on the boxart.
They should have made the entire box 1 character...walt. Just to fuck with people
 
dorkimoe said:
I don't understand why ecko would be on the boxart.
They should have made the entire box 1 character...walt. Just to fuck with people
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And this photo should have been printed on the discs:
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Puppy Vincent!
 
GDJustin said:
I think what some people aren't understanding is that it's not a matter of whether something was answered or not. It's a matter of how IMPORTANT some stuff was made to be. Some misdirection and some red herrings are fine... that's the nature of mystery storytelling. If you use dialogue, music, and cuts to commercial to make it seem like something is important, but then it isn't... that isn't good, in my opinion.

Many people think LOST does it too much, and it begins to feel like you're being jerked around.

"Oh you remember that season cliffhanger? Turns out that isn't important or relevant to anything, really. We still had no problem letting people speculate about it for months, though!"

For the record I like LOST... a lot. Walkabout blew my mind when it aired and I was hooked, and got my whole family hooked. I think it was impeccably shot, acted, and scored. I think it was a show for smart people that rewarded viewers that paid attention and connected the dots on their own. I mourn that there's not more TV out there like it, but I'm glad it at least opened the door for others to try, even if they have mostly failed (V, Flash Forward).

The reason the "no answers" camp is so large is not because there are no answers, ironically enough. It's that a lot of the "DUN DUN DUNNNNN" moments from Season 1-3 end up not mattering... at all. And that confuses the average TV viewer. If you're going to go out of your way to say "holy shit look at this statue" but then it doesn't matter for shit... that confuses people.

I'm not saying I agree with that group of viewers, but I can at least sympathize with them. It feels manipulative.
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Yeah but the statue was important because it was part of the history of the island, showed that Egyptians were once on the island and Jacob lived in it.
 
GD Justin, I agree with you, but still loved the ending, even though it still leaves things unanswered. I remember watching the early seasons thinking 'ooh, what's up with Claires baby, that sounds important', and 'is walt seeing the future?' etc.

Almost all of that seems to have been thrown out. Some things being dropped is fine - fill in the gaps yourself etc. But some need answering - even if that answer is another vagary that is at least partly understandable.

Eg. I have no problem with immortal mum. I don't need to know why/how, she just is, I can deal with that without handholding - I hate drama that panders. But all that voodoo possessed fetes shit with claire's baby? Or why walt was seeing things and was then targeted by the others? those things needed some kind of attention. Maybe not full closure, but at least acknowledge them.


Having said all that, I did find myself falling for it completely as a character piece in the end. I did the same with Twin Peaks. Started out with the mystery, and by the end of season one I didn't give a shit who killed Laura Palmer, I just wanted more of this wonderful world and wonderful characters.
 
InaudibleWhispa said:
DarkUFO counts Lost as having 628 mysteries over it's run. Some huge, some absolutely minor. By the end of the show, they have 68 major mysteries that remain unresolved. Obviously what is considered 'Major' will vary from person to person, and some people will claim that a lot of the remaining questions can and/or have been answered (it's just not marked off unless a definitive answer has been given). I think, considering the amount of people whining, that they answered a fair amount of questions. There are quite a few minor questions left, but at the end of the day they answered more questions than they left hanging and I'd say most of the questions left either aren't worth bothering about, are great to theorise about, or are part of a never-ending question spiral (Who gave Jacob his power? Mother. Who gave mother her power?). And there are a few legitimate questions that we all have.

But whatever, the whole answers thing is blown massively out of proportion. Lost fans just have a massive sense of entitlement for answers that doesn't seem to exist with any other fantasy show or movie, despite the fact that answers have never been promised (at least not to the extent that people want them).
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I was checking some of those 68 mystery's and this is what i come across:

1. Why did MIB push Desmond?
2. Why is Desmond willing to go with Sayid, when he has just killed the men he has agreed to cooperate with?
3. What did Eloise Widmore mean when she said, "it is, in fact, a violation"

Theres many more like these considered "major" mystery's.
 
Drealmcc0y said:
I was checking some of those 68 mystery's and this is what i come across:

1. Why did MIB push Desmond?
2. Why is Desmond willing to go with Sayid, when he has just killed the men he has agreed to cooperate with?
3. What did Eloise Widmore mean when she said, "it is, in fact, a violation"

Theres many more like these considered "major" mystery's.
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I think all Eloise cared about was Daniel.

I wonder if she felt bad in the real world that she killed her son while she was young.
 
Drealmcc0y said:
I was checking some of those 68 mystery's and this is what i come across:

1. Why did MIB push Desmond?
2. Why is Desmond willing to go with Sayid, when he has just killed the men he has agreed to cooperate with?
3. What did Eloise Widmore mean when she said, "it is, in fact, a violation"

Theres many more like these considered "major" mystery's.
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:lol good stuff.
 
Drealmcc0y said:
I was checking some of those 68 mystery's and this is what i come across:

1. Why did MIB push Desmond?
2. Why is Desmond willing to go with Sayid, when he has just killed the men he has agreed to cooperate with?
3. What did Eloise Widmore mean when she said, "it is, in fact, a violation"

Theres many more like these considered "major" mystery's.
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I'm curious about the "minor" mysteries among those 628 now.
 
I loved the finale as a conclusion to the series... they made a great decision to keep it about the characters and make a purely entertaining episode ...but I agree with the camp that was left disappointed with the mythology. This season felt like it had a lot of... I wouldn't say filler, but certainly a lot of parts at the beginning that weren't terribly interesting from a mythology or character perspective, and it feels like they could have done a better job of dishing out a few more answers earlier on in the season.

I think the polar bear "mystery" was handled brilliantly: it was never explicitly spelled out for the viewer, and the clues were deliciously paced out across seasons 3-5, but an observant viewer could piece the clues together very logically. I'm disappointed that none of the other mysteries were wrapped up so elegantly.

3. What did Eloise Widmore mean when she said, "it is, in fact, a violation"
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Eh, the others were kind of goofy but this one ties into the whole thing about the "rules", which were brought up about a half-dozen times in various forms but never really answered other than "Jacob made them up", which is pretty unsatisfying.
 
OK, so I just decided to re watch Across the Sea AGAIN(because i love it) and this time im making note of the mystery's answered, as I remember people saying there was nothing answered in this back then. Here I go:

1. Jacob and MiB are brothers
2. Claudia is their mother
3. They were born on the island
4. Jacob and MiB are not the be all end all, there was people before them on the island.
5. Mother confirms people get brought to the island over and over again that has nothing to do with Jacob.
6. The protector of the island can create "the rules" of the island as they see fit.
7. The source of the island is the EM energy we have heard about for years.
8. The source is inside every man and because men is curious they would try to put it out because its "beautiful" and if they do that the mother fucking world ends.
9. This also explains the reason why the hatch was so important.
10. We saw how Jacob and MiB battle began.
11. We know why MiB wants to leave the island.
12. We know where MiBs hatred for men comes from.
13. We know who created the wells and donkey wheel.
14. We saw how and why Jacob became protector.
15. How MiB became the monster
16. Who Adam and Eve are

No answers indeed
 
Drealmcc0y said:
OK, so I just decided to re watch Across the Sea AGAIN(because i love it) and this time im making note of the mystery's answered, as I remember people saying there was nothing answered in this back then. Here I go:

1. Jacob and MiB are brothers
2. Claudia is their mother
3. They were born on the island
4. Jacob and MiB are not the be all end all, there was people before them on the island.
5. Mother confirms people get brought to the island over and over again that has nothing to do with Jacob.
6. The protector of the island can create "the rules" of the island as they see fit.
7. The source of the island is the EM energy we have heard about for years.
8. The source is inside every man and because men is curious they would try to put it out because its "beautiful" and if they do that the mother fucking world ends.
9. This also explains the reason why the hatch was so important.
10. We saw how Jacob and MiB battle began.
11. We know why MiB wants to leave the island.
12. We know where MiBs hatred for men comes from.
13. We know who created the wells and donkey wheel.
14. We saw how and why Jacob became protector.
15. How MiB became the monster
16. Who Adam and Eve are

No answers indeed
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Heh, half of that stuff is basically a way to detail the "Who the fuck are Jacob and MIB" mystery. Which is indeed ONE satisfying answer, but then again these points you details were never brought up until that episode (like both moms, we never heard of them, especially Claudia, so why should we care).
16 was very nice indeed. Anything regarding the source is cheap as hell.
 
Raist said:
Heh, half of that stuff is basically a way to detail the "Who the fuck are Jacob and MIB" mystery. Which is indeed ONE satisfying answer, but then again these points you details were never brought up until that episode (like both moms, we never heard of them, especially Claudia, so why should we care).
16 was very nice indeed. Anything regarding the source is cheap as hell.
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cheap as in it puts into perspective why the whole of season 2 was important?

yeah... no
 
Raist said:
That's pretty much how I felt about the magic cave, and that wasn't really even an answer :/ It was basically "explaining" the island's and Jacob's power, and Smokey. But it didn't really make sense and felt a bit inconsistent to me.
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I just think there are some things that can't be labeled, or specifically explained. In the end, they showed us that the island plays host to a mysterious light that is potentially connected to what happens when something dies. I personally interpreted the light that shined through the church doors at the end to be the same light on the island, and that tells me that their afterlife was given to them by that power. Also, Desmond's abilities were connected to the electromagnetism that radiates off the power, and that same power is what allows Desmond to conscious-jump between his physical body and his flash sideways body. It's just really solid evidence to me. That's my personal explanation of what that is. All I'm saying is that I think it's something that you really can't explain no matter how hard you tried, and the writers knew that. So instead they just opted with giving us some information about it and explaining it through cryptic dialogue. I know some people aren't okay with that, but for me the writers decided to make the island's power explained through the flash sideways, which I strongly feel is a product of the island's power. That's good enough for me, and I'm glad they didn't try to explain it logically because I don't think it was possible to do that correctly without it sounding extremely convoluted and potentially silly.

You're right that they used the cave to explain the smoke monster's creation and a few other things, but I still don't feel that it's a universal, nanomachines style answer. I mean every single thing in MGS4 was explained with nanomachines. Naomi's cancer not spreading thanks to nanomachines. Vamp's mysterious power? Nanomachines. Liquid's connection with Ocelot? Nanomachines. Everything in that game was explained with nanomachines and it completely sucked away every bit of intrigue. That's why I'm not complaining about Lost. It could have been very convoluted, could have been silly, but the cave only explained a few major points, not everything across all six seasons and by leaving it up to interpretation through decent information, it not only provokes thought, but they avoided some possibly ridiculous scenes of explanation which really could have hurt the story overall.
 
Solo said:
Island's origin? Same origin as the rest of earth. Its just an island.
Island's powers? Its just electro-magnestism, which is in high concentration there.
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For such a Locke fanboy, I'm surprised that Solo is flaunting about the idea that the source of the Islands power is Electromagnetism.

I think its pretty obvious that the Islands light is something way more than that, and crosses into something more akin to the source of all life on earth. The biggest clue is the light from the church, same as the light from the source. Electromagnetism is just a side product of the light.

Most importantly, it affirms that Locke was always right about the Island. It is special.

I mean, if it IS electromagnetism, then at the end of the finale, everyone is about to walk into Electromagnetism, and all the Losties will be unleashed as Smokeys hellbent on destroying the world :(


For what its worth, I think anyone who wants a detailed explanation of what the Light and Island are is out of their mind. They pretty much gave us just enough to come up with our own interpretation.
 
The power is not just electromagnetism. There is no way the writers would just say oh, it's because of the electromagnetism. Being a science fiction story, partially, they got pretty extreme by explaining that the time travel is happening because of the electromagnetism. But I don't think it explains Locke's ability to walk, Rose's cancer going away, and the many other miraculous phenomena happening on the island. It is certainly more than electromagnetism.
 
Dead said:
For such a Locke fanboy, I'm surprised that Solo is flaunting about the idea that the source of the Islands power is Electromagnetism.

I think its pretty obvious that the Islands light is something way more than that, and crosses into something more akin to the source of all life on earth. The biggest clue is the light from the church, same as the light from the source. Electromagnetism is just a side product of the light.

Most importantly, it affirms that Locke was always right about the Island. It is special.

I mean, if it IS electromagnetism, then the at the end of the finale, everyone is about to walk into Eleectromagnetism, and all the Losties will be unleashed as Smokeys hellbent on destroying the world :(


For what its worth, I think anyone who wants a detailed explanation of what the Light and Island are is out of their mind. They pretty much gave us just enough to come up with our own interpretation.
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The light 100% supernatural, but it has something that is similar to how EM works. So all the humans who have ever crossed it (DI) just assume its a unique pocket of EM
 
Dead said:
For such a Locke fanboy, I'm surprised that Solo is flaunting about the idea that the source of the Islands power is Electromagnetism.

I think its pretty obvious that the Islands light is something way more than that, and crosses into something more akin to the source of all life on earth. The biggest clue is the light from the church, same as the light from the source. Electromagnetism is just a side product of the light.

Most importantly, it affirms that Locke was always right about the Island. It is special.
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You're taking it the wrong way. Like Mother, Locke doesnt know what "the light" is. To him, its the island. And it healed him.
 
I picture it like this.

There is a central core-- the island's power. This power uses a vast output of EM to protect itself, but that's not enough, as proven by Desmond's case. That's why it needs a protector at all times. How the cork got there, who knows? It had ancient Sumerian writing on it, so I imagine that the man-made architecture was put in the cave by that civilization. To me it's just a very powerful force that can either cause miracles, or be extremely dangerous. Either way, it shouldn't be tampered with and it has its own protective layer-- the EM-- in case anyone managed to find a way to bypass it, like Desmond.
 
Drealmcc0y said:
cheap as in it puts into perspective why the whole of season 2 was important?

yeah... no
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I'm very fine with the way EM has been used most of the time during the first seasons. Then apparently the main source turns out to be the reason for everything.
But to recap:

- Fucks up navigation instruments. OK
- The cause for time travel. Sure, why not.
- Is a huge threat and has to be controlled, thus the hatch for instance. OK
- Heals people. Huh?
- Bad for pregnancy because it fucks up your immune system UNLESS the woman gets pregnant before coming to the island. How long she stays there is irrelevant afterwards. Yeah, right.
- Gives magical powers to someone, including being immortal, having the ability to render people immortal. Wat?
- That power being tranferrable with wine (muddy water will do) and an incantation (optional). wtf.
- combined with light, water and a donkey wheel, warps you to Tunisia. Excuse me?
- if touched by a non-approved individual, will turn you into an invicible giant smoke monster. Unless plug is pulled and water is not retained anymore. Oh, whatever.

While the first bits were reasonable and logical, even if pure sci-fi, the rest is non-sense and feels like a cheap answer to most big mysteries they came up with because it was cool and intriguing, but probably had eventually no fucking clue (and didn't care) to explain.
 
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You're taking it the wrong way. Like Mother, Locke doesnt know what "the light" is. To him, its the island. And it healed him.
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Mother is in the know far more than Locke ever was.

Mother was the damn protector
 
Im simply suggesting that all theories are both right and wrong.

Scientists: its ELECTROMAGNETISM!
Mother: its LIGHT!
Locke: its the sentient being known as THE ISLAND!

I believe that they are all referencing the same thing, some from a standpoint of science, some from a standpoint of faith, all with a certain degree of uncertainty.
 
This quote is almost too perfect, from season 5 episode 4:

SAWYER: And how is it that you knew when we were, Johnny Boy? That light in the sky--it was from the Hatch, wasn't it?

LOCKE: The night that Boone died... I went out there and started pounding on it as hard as I could. I was... confused... scared. Babbling like an idiot, asking, why was all this happening to me?

SAWYER: Did you get an answer?

LOCKE: Light came on, shot up into the sky. At the time, I thought it meant something.

SAWYER: Did it?

LOCKE: No. It was just a light.
 
Raist said:
I'm very fine with the way EM has been used most of the time during the first seasons. Then apparently the main source turns out to be the reason for everything.
But to recap:

- Fucks up navigation instruments. OK
- The cause for time travel. Sure, why not.
- Is a huge threat and has to be controlled, thus the hatch for instance. OK
- Heals people. Huh?
- Bad for pregnancy because it fucks up your immune system UNLESS the woman gets pregnant before coming to the island. How long she stays there is irrelevant afterwards. Yeah, right.
- Gives magical powers to someone, including being immortal, having the ability to render people immortal. Wat?
- That power being tranferrable with wine (muddy water will do) and an incantation (optional). wtf.
- combined with light, water and a donkey wheel, warps you to Tunisia. Excuse me?
- if touched by a non-approved individual, will turn you into an invicible giant smoke monster. Unless plug is pulled and water is not retained anymore. Oh, whatever.

While the first bits were reasonable and logical, even if pure sci-fi, the rest is non-sense and feels like a cheap answer to most big mysteries they came up with because it was cool and intriguing, but probably had eventually no fucking clue (and didn't care) to explain.
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1. The pregnacy issue was created by the A-Bomb
2. Sounds like fiction isnt your thing buddy, if you dont like something that isnt real life, clearly.
 
Solo said:
Mother: its LIGHT!
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Well, to be fair, Mother was talking about the light itself and not about the energy that comes from it. She probably didn't know anything about electromagnetism, obviously, so why would she have said something about the EM during Across the Sea?
 
Solo said:
Im simply suggesting that all theories are both right and wrong.

Scientists: its ELECTROMAGNETISM!
Mother: its LIGHT!
Locke: its the sentient being known as THE ISLAND!

I believe that they are all referencing the same thing, some from a standpoint of science, some from a standpoint of faith, all with a certain degree of uncertainty.
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Asshole: it's MAGIC!
 
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