LOST 06.17/18/18.5: "The End" (Everything Else Was Just Progress)

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With the power of a thousand suns I would. Have you seen those nudes?! the nips man...the nips!
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"Lost" fans have ruined series finales for the rest of us for the foreseeable future.

We're not sure if the "Lost" finale holds the record for most ads during a series finale, but according to a tally conducted by Entertainment Weekly, the 2 1/2 -hour very last episode of "Lost" was jammed with about 45 minutes' worth of ad breaks -- around 100 ads in all.

So nearly one-third of the time you were watching that "Lost" finale on May 23, you were actually watching an ad or a promo.

Where I come from, this is called "excessive."

But instead of grousing about it, "Lost" fans appear to have loved the ads.

A lot.

And said so.

Emphatically.

According to Nielsen, about 90 percent of the national ads that aired during that wrap-up episode achieved higher "brand recall," on average, than ads that aired in other prime-time programming on broadcast and major cable networks in the week prior to the "Lost" swan song.

That higher brand recall wasn't just by a little bit. The in-"Lost" ads on average generated 61 percent higher brand recall. You think that's bad? They also got 92 percent higher "message recall."

It gets worse.

Ads that aired in the very last "Lost" scored 66 percent higher "likability" than ads that aired the prior week.

What the heck is wrong with you, "Lost" fans?

Do you remember that ad in which Target recruited the show's most evil villain, the Smoke Monster, to hawk First Alert smoke detectors? Do self-respecting Losties condemn this ad as heresy? Oh no, my friends -- they loved that ad the most!

The Smoke Monster ad nearly quadrupled the average of all other commercials in the episode on Nielsen's Likability-o-Meter (okay, Nielsen actually calls it the Likability Index Comparison).

In conclusion, it appears advertisers got their money's worth for the $900,000 per 30-second ad during the "Lost" series-ender because The Obsessives Who Watched "Lost" not only saw the ads -- as opposed to DVR-ing the show and plowing through them, as God intended -- but they actually remembered the ads, and fondly!

And that's just a hop, skip and jump to "bought the smoke detector."

And the rest of us? We're doomed, when our favorite TV series airs its very last episode, to slog through a tangled thicket of about two-thirds program and one-third ad break, with commercials that make light of some of the show's most sacred moments.

Sigh.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/01/AR2010060103551.html?wprss=rss_print/style

ABC must be ecstatic with the finale.

Anywho, this writer is bitching too much. By my count, there was only 1 minute less showtime than regular. 1 minute. The ads were fine.
 
gdt5016 said:
Smokey didn't heal Locke.
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What makes you say that?

And what about the dreams/visions Locke used to have that lead him to do things and find places (ex: Yemi's plane->the Hatch, and Horace->the Cabin)? I'm inclined to think those visions were induced by Smokey. Why would Jacob or the island want Locke to find the cabin if Jacob abandoned it and it was being used by Smokey.

The way I see it is that Smokey has been manipulating Locke since the 815 crash in a tightly woven plan to achieve his goal of killing Jacob.
 
Naked Snake said:
What makes you say that?

And what about the dreams/visions Locke used to have that lead him to do things and find places (ex: Yemi's plane->the Hatch, and Horace->the Cabin)? I'm inclined to think those visions were induced by Smokey. Why would Jacob or the island want Locke to find the cabin since if Jacob abandoned it and it was being used by Smokey.

The way I see it is that Smokey has been manipulating Locke since the 815 crash in a tightly woven plan to achieve his goal of killing Jacob.
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Yes, he has been manipulating him, but we have no evidence that Smokey can

A: appear as living people

B: induce dreams

C: heal anyone



I've always chalked the dreams upto The Island, which I think has a vague will of it's own (which Jacob can control/influence).

Walt....let's just chalk that up to either The Island or Walt himself, without him knowing about it.
 
gdt5016 said:
Yes, he has been manipulating him, but we have no evidence that Smokey can

A: appear as living people

B: induce dreams

C: heal anyone

I've always chalked the dreams upto The Island, which I think has a vague will of it's own (which Jacob can control/influence).

Walt....let's just chalk that up to either The Island or Walt himself, without him knowing about it.
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A: Right, I'll give you that. I keep forgetting that rule.

B: We know he can scan people's minds and read their memories. Inducing dreams wouldn't be far fetched.

C: I think it's clear that Smokey gets his powers from the Island itself (the Light), and so does Jacob. So I would assume they share somewhat similar abilities.


It doesn't make sense for me for the Island or Jacob to lead Locke to the cabin in order to have a conversation with Smokey (Christian).
 
Naked Snake said:
It doesn't make sense for me for the Island or Jacob to lead Locke to the cabin in order to have a conversation with Smokey (Christian).
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It could've been The Island, hell, the right guys won in the end.
 
gdt5016 said:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/01/AR2010060103551.html?wprss=rss_print/style

ABC must be ecstatic with the finale.

Anywho, this writer is bitching too much. By my count, there was only 1 minute less showtime than regular. 1 minute. The ads were fine.
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I wonder what other advertisers took away from the Target ads: "People will like and remember an ad if it contains references to something they like," or, "People will like and remember an ad if it's well-made, doesn't treat the viewer like a retarded sheep, and possibly provides a bit of a chuckle."

Probably the first one. :/
 
Naked Snake said:
So when Ben shot Locke and left him at the bottom of the Dharma pit, the Walt that appeared to him was Smokey, and it was Smokey who healed him too... and we all thought it was Jacob/the island back then.

It's funny and sad that pretty much in all the times when Locke thought the island was doing special things for him and in the process strengthening his faith and his willingness to protect the island, it was all Smokey carrying out his plan to destroy the island! Poor Locke.

I wonder if it was also Smokey that healed Locke's paralysis.
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The island healed Locke, and Rose and whoever else.

It doesn't have a mind of its own, the island just has naturally occurring healing properties.
 
So nearly one-third of the time you were watching that "Lost" finale on May 23, you were actually watching an ad or a promo.

Where I come from, this is called "excessive."
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Isn't nearly one third "normal"? Most modern hour-long programs end up around 42 minutes on disc.
 
Blader5489 said:
The island healed Locke, and Rose and whoever else.

It doesn't have a mind of its own, the island just has naturally occurring healing properties.
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It sure is selective in who it heals though; it didn't heal Boone and many others, but it healed Locke (referring to gunshot wound, not paralysis).

Also, who revived Sayid at the temple? Sayid said Smokey did it.
 
KevinCow said:
I wonder what other advertisers took away from the Target ads: "People will like and remember an ad if it contains references to something they like," or, "People will like and remember an ad if it's well-made, doesn't treat the viewer like a retarded sheep, and possibly provides a bit of a chuckle."

Probably the first one. :/
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Not surprising considering how many times we've seen someone post a T-shirt with a Dharma logo or something on it and people shouting "OMG I want it!"
 
Naked Snake said:
It sure is selective in who it heals though; it didn't heal Boone and many others, but it healed Locke (referring to gunshot wound, not paralysis).

Also, who revived Sayid at the temple? Sayid said Smokey did it.
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Boone, Shannon, etc. had mortal injuries. The island can't heal those, apparently, which is why young Ben and Sayid both had to be taken to the Temple.

Locke's gunshot wound wasn't fatal, although it would have been if his kidney had still been there.
 
Naked Snake said:
It sure is selective in who it heals though; it didn't heal Boone and many others, but it healed Locke (referring to gunshot wound, not paralysis).

Also, who revived Sayid at the temple? Sayid said Smokey did it.
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Locke and Rose were injured/sick before they crashed, and the island healed them. Boone and Ben got injured/sick while on the island, and didnt get healed. Maybe there is a window of opportunity here :lol
 
Son of a Bitch.



I'm on my first listen through the Season 5 OST, and "Together or Not Together" just came on.

3:20 into the track.. blargh. It just hit me.

L O S T is over.


I was doing fine, knowing that everything ended. But now its hit home, LOST is done, kaput. All I have to look forward to is the Season 6 BD release and the eventual OST release.. after that, It's gone forever.

Hold me.
 
A spin-off -- or SOMETHING -- is inevitable. And we'll all watch it, even if we complain.

The real question is if Darlton will at least act as producers.
 
Patrick Klepek said:
A spin-off -- or SOMETHING -- is inevitable. And we'll all watch it, even if we complain.

The real question is if Darlton will at least act as producers.
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I'd totally watch a 1970s based show that focused on the Dharma Initiative, following Faraday's 3 year stint off the island.
 
Patrick Klepek said:
A spin-off -- or SOMETHING -- is inevitable. And we'll all watch it, even if we complain.

The real question is if Darlton will at least act as producers.
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I can't see Lindelof doing it. He's got plenty on his plate, from what I know, and I'm sure he'll continue to get good jobs.
Now Cuse. Maybe Lost will land him some good gigs, but if it doesn't I could see him crawling back to ABC to make some more big bucks.
 
Patrick Klepek said:
A spin-off -- or SOMETHING -- is inevitable. And we'll all watch it, even if we complain.

The real question is if Darlton will at least act as producers.
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I don't know. After I finished watching the finale I had the feeling that I'd never watch another TV show that was consistently so great so I might as well not even bother :lol

LOST literally deals with the meaning of life. I don't know how you can top that.
 
infinityBCRT said:
I don't know. After I finished watched the finale I had the feeling that I'd never watch another TV show that was consistently so great so I might as well not even bother :lol

LOST literally deals with the meaning of life. I don't know how you can top that.
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The meaning of Death.




oh wai--
 
HowardRoark said:
Final thoughts
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Excellent post, raises some very good points, particularly this one:

Humanizing the smoke monster and making him want to get off the island was not what I had expected. A security system that scanned people made much more sense given its role in Season 1. Think Cerberus, as Radzinsky wrote on the Blast Door Map. Why kill the pilot? I know, it was just to provide intrigue and suspense. I don't really think that the island being a night-light of human goodness really fits with Season 1's mysteries.
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This is my major grievance with season 6. I wasn't a fan of having the Man in Black = Smoke Monster. I much preferred when the monster was an unknown and uncontrollable force on the island. Would've liked if they'd kept the two separate.
 
I guess I can understand the complaint, but tbh it's one of my favorite parts of the season. Who would have guessed that the god damned Smoke Monster would've been a main character in the final season of the show? That's just an awesome thought by itself.
 
HowardRoark said:
I knew in Season 3 when we saw a cabin where Ben Linus was talking to a seemingly empty chair, that this was the point of no return. You had to have faith. They were going to write weird and seemingly illogical things for the sake of mystery. I made the choice, and I followed the show down the Rabbit Hole. Unfortunately, this decisive moment (the cabin) was never really explained. Nor were the other areas that were only accessible when they were convenient to the plot (cabin, lighthouse, light cave).Many people said that Season 6 was very Season 1: the smoke monster had prominence, along with the characters. Humanizing the smoke monster and making him want to get off the island was not what I had expected. A security system that scanned people made much more sense given its role in Season 1. Think Cerberus, as Radzinsky wrote on the Blast Door Map. Why kill the pilot? I know, it was just to provide intrigue and suspense. I don't really think that the island being a night-light of human goodness really fits with Season 1's mysteries.
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According to the enhanced pilot they aired the night before the finale, Jacob did not expect him to be the pilot, he expected Lapidus to be the pilot. So the 815 pilot was not a candidate/protected by Jacob and Smokie was able to kill him because of that.
 
I think some people get tripped up with LOST when try to watch it like 95% of the other TV shows on television. Just because a certain character says something doesn't neccesarily mean its true, or credible exposition. It all depends on the perspective(and motivations) of that character. There are scores upon scores of examples on where this has confused viewers of the course of the series. One being with Jughead. From Kate's perspective she just knows that Jack's plan involves detonating a big ass nuclear bomb buried under ground. She's leaves before the conversation between Jack & Sayid where it's explained that per Faraday's instructions all that's needed is the fission core to destroy a pocket of energy. So obviously when she's giving Sawyer & Jules the skinny she tells it as she sees it: Jacks about to detonate said big ass nuke which would obviously destroy the Island. When those two discuss what's happening it's based of Kate's perspective of " Jack's gonna blow up the island", which was never actually his intent..clearly. But low and behold you there were many critics & fans that ragged on the fact that Jack willing to kill everyone & destroy the island was bad writing for his character.

Same thing with this security system business. We see in S5 that Danielle hears this from her boyfriend once he enters temple wall caverns. A. Who the fuck is he & What would he know about anything? B. It was apparent not only had he been influenced, but he was just trying to get Daniellle down there to join the party. And after this Season season it all makes perfect sense.

This is precisely why I love LOST. [generally] The writing & the ways in which the characters interact with each other is incredibly organic. The show didn't pander or talk down the audience like the vast majority of them do and that's something I really appreciated. Though they did sort've do that at times this season which was unfortunate.
 
Even if ABC wanted to, how could they possibly do a spinoff? What else is there to tell? I could maybe see some novels written about various points in the island's back story, or looking at Hurley's and Ben's rule over the island. But a whole series? I just don't see how.

And besides all that, what would be the point now that we know so much about the island? What the hell is the point of Lost if you know most of the back story going in?
 
Nameless said:
I think some people get tripped up with LOST when try to watch it like 95% of the other TV shows on television. Just because a certain character says something doesn't neccesarily mean its true, or credible exposition. It all depends on the perspective(and motivations) of that character. There are scores upon scores of examples on where this has confused viewers of the course of the series. One being with Jughead. From Kate's perspective she just knows that Jack's plan involves detonating a big ass nuclear bomb buried under ground. She's leaves before the conversation between Jack & Sayid where it's explained that per Faraday's instructions all that's needed is the fission core to destroy a pocket of energy. So obviously when she's giving Sawyer & Jules the skinny she tells it as she sees it: Jacks about to detonate said big ass nuke which would obviously destroy the Island. When those two discuss what's happening it's based of Kate's perspective of " Jack's gonna blow up the island", which was never actually his intent..clearly. But low and behold you there were many critics & fans that ragged on the fact that Jack willing to kill everyone & destroy the island was bad writing for his character.

Same thing with this security system business. We see in S5 that Danielle hears this from her boyfriend once he enters temple wall caverns. A. Who the fuck is he & What would he know about anything? B. It was apparent not only had he been influenced, but he was just trying to get Daniellle down there to join the party. And after this Season season it all makes perfect sense.

This is precisely why I love LOST. [generally] The writing & the ways in which the characters interact with each other is incredibly organic. The show didn't pander or talk down the audience like the vast majority of them do and that's something I really appreciated. Though they did sort've do that at times this season which was unfortunate.
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Yes. Perfect post.
 
Patrick Klepek said:
A spin-off -- or SOMETHING -- is inevitable. And we'll all watch it, even if we complain.

The real question is if Darlton will at least act as producers.
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I absolutely will not watch it. I will do no such thing. Lost is done. I'll watch Lost again, but I won't watch any spinoffs or any other Lost fanfiction, whether it's aired on ABC or not.


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Nameless, I love that you can type all that out yet take Juliet's "it worked" as concrete proof that jughead created the afterlife :lol
 
Nameless said:
Same thing with this security system business. We see in S5 that Danielle hears this from her boyfriend once he enters temple wall caverns. A. Who the fuck is he & What would he know about anything? B. It was apparent not only had he been influenced, but he was just trying to get Daniellle down there to join the party. And after this Season season it all makes perfect sense.
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Yes!

So many times ive seen people say "I thought the monster was a security system? making shit up on the fly!"
 
SpeedingUptoStop said:
I'll probably live to see the day Lost is remade. Put this post in the GAF time capsule.
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A re-imagining of epic proportions where Jack closes his eyes at the beginning and opens his eyes at the end.
 
Does anyone else hate going to other lost sites now?

Its just full of hate and complaining.

For example in lostpedia there are two stickied threads:

1 - "Official thank you to TPTB and the six great years" and

2 - "Official dissapointed in the end, wasted six years of my life"

The former has 150 posts, the latter has 1500 posts.

Its just depressing
 
I'm fuckin dying right now. :lol

Kevin Pollak has an AMAZING interview with Titus Welliver on his podcast:

http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/kevin-pollaks-chat-show/id309229491

This guy is hilarious & awesome..tells of some stories of crazy encounters with LOST fans, talks about the overnight spike in fame after the MIB appearance, shares some anecdotes about Christopher Walken :lol , does a GODLY three stages of Pacino impression which just might be the greatest things ever and just shoots the shit with Kevin Pollak for close to an hour and a half.

The story of the homeless guy addressing him as Smokey and calling him a bad motherfucker had me in tears.:lol :lol
 
Drealmcc0y said:
Does anyone else hate going to other lost sites now?

Its just full of hate and complaining.

For example in lostpedia there are two stickied threads:

1 - "Official thank you to TPTB and the six great years" and

2 - "Official dissapointed in the end, wasted six years of my life"

The former has 150 posts, the latter has 1500 posts.

Its just depressing
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It seems to have calmed down a lot now, at least on DarkUFO. The intitial backlash was paintful to read, and surprising too, though even then virtually any poll on any site found that the MAJORITY liked it, but the haters were the vocal majority, as usual. I think a lot of the haters either misunderstood, or grew to like it. I've read stuff like "The more I think about it, the more I like it" and "I watched it again and actually love it!". A lot of people still hate it too, sure, but people are beginning to talk and theorise again and not complain. This poll of 13,301 people finds that 82% of fans thinks that they did a good job. 18% think that they blew it. Certainly better numbers than the commenters would have you think.
 
SpeedingUptoStop said:
I guess I can understand the complaint, but tbh it's one of my favorite parts of the season. Who would have guessed that the god damned Smoke Monster would've been a main character in the final season of the show? That's just an awesome thought by itself.
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I can understand why people like the humanizing of the monster, and I love MiB the character, but the monster movie fan in me wishes the smoke monster had stayed as just that.
 
SpeedingUptoStop said:
I'll probably live to see the day Lost is remade. Put this post in the GAF time capsule.
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Look, I wager most fans of the original Battlestar Galactica lived to see it remade and that was ages ago in the TV land. Nowadays, the remakes come faster and harder. When did Nikita end? 2001? Well, the remake is supposed to start this fall.

I'm willing to bet not that not only will a new Lost - a regular series or at least a mini series event - air in our lifetimes, it will premiere fifteen years from now at the latest. Maybe even less than ten.
 
gdt5016 said:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/01/AR2010060103551.html?wprss=rss_print/style

ABC must be ecstatic with the finale.

Anywho, this writer is bitching too much. By my count, there was only 1 minute less showtime than regular. 1 minute. The ads were fine.
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That article annoyed the hell out of me so I sent her an e-mail.

Your article about the commercials during the series finale of Lost was very embarrassing to read.

"Entertainment Weekly, the 2 1/2 -hour very last episode of "Lost" was jammed with about 45 minutes' worth of ad breaks -- around 100 ads in all.

So nearly one-third of the time you were watching that "Lost" finale on May 23, you were actually watching an ad or a promo.

Where I come from, this is called "excessive.""

This would be fine if you had done some research before hand. The amount of show that aired was no different in relation to normal weeks. A single episode of Lost (or most broadcast hour-long shows) is about 42 minutes, give or take. The rest is commercials, so about 22 minutes.

If the total commercial time during the 2 1/2 hour finale of Lost was 45 minutes... well, you do the math.

But the worst thing about the article is how it talks down to Lost fans as if we're the reason for ads on television. It's insulting and simply bad writing on your part.
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omg rite said:
That article annoyed the hell out of me so I sent her an e-mail.
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Maybe where she comes from is TiVo land( I would say 'torrent land', but come on, Washington Post)? That would explain why she considers regular number of ads "excessive".

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Oh, holy shit, that writer...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...0/05/24/AR2010052403630.html?waporef=obinsite

Apparently either everyone on the island was actually dead all along (ooh, didn't see that one coming, having never seen "The Sixth Sense" ) or they were in a sort of limbo/purgatory and have now died happily ever after. The debate got pretty heated Monday at our office -- especially among those who remembered reading back in '07 how show creator Damon Lindelof swore the castaways were neither in purgatory nor dead, though it was pretty obvious even back then.
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