cyclonekruse
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Blader5489 said:
Oh yes. Forgot about those. I doubt we'll ever have Illana's backstory. There's an outside chance that the cabin might get some air time in The Misadventures of Hurley and Ben, though. I can dream anyway.
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Oh yes. Forgot about those. I doubt we'll ever have Illana's backstory. There's an outside chance that the cabin might get some air time in The Misadventures of Hurley and Ben, though. I can dream anyway.
cyclonekruse said:
Oh, I doubt we'll get it too. It's not hard for me to imagine: a pregnant woman comes to the island, gives birth to Illana, Jacob helps raise her, then sends them both away because he doesn't want his brother near them.
It just annoys me that Darlton would introduce a character like that for the final season, have her do nothing, explain nothing about her, then kill her off. That's just inexcusable.
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This is but a minuscule version of the injustice done to my boy CAESAR.Blader5489 said:
cyclonekruse
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Blader5489 said:
I like my Jacob/Hanso theory. He could have raised Illana off the island. But I suppose her knowledge of the cabin would make more sense if she were raised on the island.
And I agree, Darlton weren't perfect, especially this final season, with things like that. I feel like they would have been better served to take two episodes from the temple storyline and spend them on other things. A backstory for Illana would have been a great episode. It would have probably answered three of the remaining questions: Illana's story (obviously), the cabin, and the outrigger shooting. Might have been able to work Jacob's ability to leave the island into the episode too. Then, the only questions left would be Walt and the pallet drop (which will hopefully be answered in the epilogue).
And in my head, an "island-centric" episode would have been great too. Something like "The Other 48 Days" but more like "The Other Side of the Island" where we see the history of the island starting with the people who plugged the hole, how the first island-protectors came to be, the Egyptians building stuff, etc. It would have been perfect in the AtS slot, setting up everything that was being fought for right before the finale. Obviously, AtS still had to happen. I would just place it much earlier in the season.
Actually, that's about my final judgment of Season 6. Two episodes shy of greatness. It was good. But it could have been so much better with those two episodes.
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Regina gets no loveSpeedingUptoStop said:
Ah man, nooo. That Jack/Christian hug always brought a smile to my face.thekad said:
To name a few (a lot of these are ripped straight from the vid):cyclonekruse said:
1. When the Cabin was peaked into, who was it that came into the frame and scared the crap outta me?
2. Why is it that some were able to go on and others weren't. Michael wasnt allowed yet he killed a few people to save his son and then he went on to die in an attempt to save the people on the boat. How many people did Sayid kill? How many people did Jack GET killed? Why were they able to "move on"?
3. Who broke the Circle of Ash?
4. How was the Cabin moving?
5. How did Walt appear to Shannon if MIB can only take on the form of the dead?
6. How is it that Ben turning the wheel threw the island off course and why was MIB the one who guided John toward turning the wheel himself? Shouldnt it have been Jacob that did that since he wanted to get the "candidates" back to the island?
7. Why did Richard say he "watched them die"?
8. Why did only certain people get transported back to the 70's?
9. WTF happened to Claire and why was she disregarded so definitively?
10. Why did the fence stop the monster?
11.Why was Eloise in the picture with that monk?
12. What exactly was the Ash and why couldnt MIB cross it?
13. Why were the visions so inconsistent? How was christian on the boat for instance?
14. Why did Desmond run from the hatch butt naked after the implosion? (I REALLY expected them to revisit this)
15. When MIB appeared to John, what did he see and why were there footsteps when MIB usually floats around? Same when they heard him while traveling to the black rock with Rousseau?
16. Why does Pierre Chang keep changing his name in the videos?
17. Why, exactly, did the monster kill the pilot?
18. Why did the psychic tell Claire she had to raise her kid? I know he was proven a fraud but why would he even say this?
19. Why did Walt tell John to not open the hatch?
20. Why did the monster make the sounds it made? (I only mention this because Rose made a comment about it in the pilot ep. Seems like they were going somewhere with it)
21. Why couldnt Locke talk after the implosion?
22. What happened to Ben's childhood friend? (something else they spent a lot of time with)
23. The vision with Claire and Aaron leaving on a heli? What happened to that?
24. How DID they get that bomb into that tunnel? They said "the same way we got it in" then proceeded to give us no indication of how they got it there.
25. Henry Gale who?
26. What was the incident really and what was the deal with the button? If the incident is what we were shown, then Im forced to ask how was this energy being contained while they were building the hatch? The hatch was only half built when "the incident" occurred.
27. How did Jacobs mom kill about a dozen villagers and fill a well with dirt? And if it wasnt her then who the hell did it?
28. How exactly did all that crap start happening in the cabin when Locke visited. Levitation didnt seem to be on the list of MIB's powers.
29. Giant question mark in the grass to point toward the pearl... why?
30. Why did conceiving on the island vs off the island actually matter? Did the electromagnetism give men super sperm or sommink?
31. Why were people on the freighter killing themselves again?
As I said, in retrospect (and because of some convenient writing) many of these things didnt really matter in the end. But Im just upset that they even brought them up in the first place. They created storylines around many of these events and people yet they failed to elaborate or explain a lot of it. Im sure many of these have answers that you are about to list for me but many of them just dont and Im sure Im forgetting many more.
And I know some will misunderstand my post so I'll just say this now. I dont WANT to know the answer to all these questions. Im just upset that so much of this show was disregarded.
cyclonekruse
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.GqueB. said:
First, I think part of the problem is that you're looking for meaning in things that never were intended to have much meaning. Some things just are. That's the way it is in every story. Second, in lots of stories there are elements thrown in purely as red herrings, things to misdirect you. I think it's unfair to get upset at Lost for that. Again, that's normal storytelling.
And even if you don't "want" the answers to the questions, if the answers are there and you just didn't pick up on them, then your opinion of the show won't be an informed one.
That said, here goes (note that these answers are off the top of my head and I may be misremembering some things):
1. Presumably it was a form of MiB before he changed to his mainstay form of Christian.
2. Not entirely clear. Probably tied to redemption. Or maybe it's tied to whether or not one feels like they've earned moving on. Michael might feel guilty enough that it traps him. I kind of am guessing that part of what Walt does in the epilogue is to forgive his dad for telling him that he killed Libby and Ana. Then, Walt and Michael in the afterlife wouldn't be in the church because they wanted to spend the time they didn't have in real life together. I'll grant you that that was pulled out of my ass, though.
3. Don't know. The cabin is one of the big unknowns of the series.
4. Same. Though it might have had something to do with the same reason they never saw the lighthouse until they needed to.
5. Simple. It wasn't the Man in Black.
6a. Ben didn't completely turn the wheel. It came loose from it's axis. Think what happens to a record player when you shake it.
6b. It was all part of MiB's plan. He needed Locke to leave and die so when they came back (like he knew would happen since he was around in the 70's) he could take Locke's form. Jacob maybe knew about it and allowed it. Part of Jacob's plan might have included dying. Who knows?
7. I believe I read somewhere that the original ending to Season 5 was supposed to be Richard on a hill overlooking the Incident site and seeing the bomb go off. They decided to end in the white flash instead. Even so, you were supposed to infer that Richard saw the explosion and assumed those near it died.
8. Two ways to answer this. One is that Eloise Hawking said if the original 815 flight weren't exactly duplicated, the results would be unpredictable. Unpredictable as in certain people might start hopping back 30 years. The other answer is that those people already existed in the past. In order to keep the timeline intact, they had to go there. It had already happened.
9. Claire went jungle crazy a la Rousseau after her baby was taken from her. It didn't help that MiB was filling her with lies and influencing her in negative ways. She probably contracted the same "sickness" as Sayid, which as I understand it is a "though disease" where the MiB convinces you to do whatever. That's why you shouldn't let him talk. He's too influential. Jacob is the same way, in a sense. He just doesn't try to convince everyone they're evil.
10. Because it does? This is one of those times where I think you're asking too much of the writers. Some things just are.
11. I have to say I don't remember that one.
12. Don't know. As I said in a previous post. Illana's back story would have been very nice.
13. The visions weren't inconsistent if you take into account that they might not all have been MiB. There were ghosts on the island after all. I've taken to assuming some of Christian's appearances may have actually been Christian.
14. He was disoriented and confused? You thought they'd revisit that?
15. MiB likes the feel of the ground beneath his feet, too, remember.
16. Why does it matter? I never thought the name changes were important. It just told me that Chang didn't want to use his real name.
17. Because he could. There was no "candidate-protection" for him. And it kept the Losties scared. Just like he wanted them.
18. He's the one who said he was a fraud. Why do you believe him? And it turned out that Claire needed Aaron's influence more than the other way around.
19. For all things Walt, I think you should reserve judgment until the epilogue comes out. That said, my guess is that Walt had some inkling that it was part of MiB's plan for them to get into the hatch and for all the rest of the things to take place. Walt was smart enough to not want that.
20. Because it was cooler that way? Again there doesn't have to be a reason. But I can give you a half-baked one. It made mechanical sounds as a way to show that Smokey was entirely void of humanity. He was little more than an angry machine.
21. Damage to the windpipe? Some things are just storytelling devices. They help move things along as they're supposed to.
22. She was unimportant beyond what they showed of her. Her influence on Ben was what mattered.
23. Either a change of story direction or Desmond lying to get Claire to do what he wanted her to do. Take your pick.
24. They brought it in through the tunnels. That's how they got it out, after all.
25. What about him? He was probably what Ben claimed he was (when he pretended to be Henry Gale). Then, unfortunately for him, he crashed on the island and died. He's also a literary reference to The Wizard of Oz.
26. The Incident was the massive release of the exotic energy. The bomb negated it for a time, saving the island. Presumably it allowed them time to build the "release valve."
27. Because she was a Smokey herself is the popular theory, one espoused by the actors who played Jacob and MiB.
28. Again, cabin stuff was not explained very well. That's a very legitimate beef that most people share.
29. Why not?
30. Yes, the energy seemed to have a positive effect on sperm count in males (e.g. Jin). Hence the Tawaret statue. She was the goddess of fertility. However, after the Incident, things changed and the energy started to negatively affect pregnant women. Their immune system would start attacking the baby.
31. Because coming toward the island on the wrong bearing makes your consciousness skip around and makes you go crazy especially if you'd been exposed to large amounts of EM radiation.
*lets out deep breath*
Drealmcc0y
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So the only thing the show didnt answer was:
1.Cabin
2.Walt
3.Illana(who cares?)
God damn what an amazing show for answering so many questions.
1.Cabin
2.Walt
3.Illana(who cares?)
God damn what an amazing show for answering so many questions.
InaudibleWhispa
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It honestly feels that a lot of the questions people are coming up with now are tiny things that any other show would get away with, but because it's Lost they're made out to be some mystery that desperately needs solved. "Who built the statue?". Who gives a shit. Some Egyptians. There, solved. It doesn't matter.
Most of the legit remaining questions I feel can be answered with a bit of logical thinking or assumption, and of course there are a few things like Walt that were unfortunately just left alone. But I don't think there is anything that really damages the show to the point that it's conclusion is disappointing. By the end I was satisfied on a mythological and character level and sure, I have some questions, and it wasn't absolutely perfect, but it was pretty friggin' great!
People seem to be most pissed at the vagueness of the light, but really it is one of those things that is better left to personal conclusion. It really doesn't need to be so strictly defined with a distinct origin, and they were right in AtS that an answer would just lead to another question, and a "What is God" type question will never quench your satisfaction ultimately. What the light is capable of, what the stakes are and what it means for the characters is all we need to know for the story of Lost to conclude.
Most of the legit remaining questions I feel can be answered with a bit of logical thinking or assumption, and of course there are a few things like Walt that were unfortunately just left alone. But I don't think there is anything that really damages the show to the point that it's conclusion is disappointing. By the end I was satisfied on a mythological and character level and sure, I have some questions, and it wasn't absolutely perfect, but it was pretty friggin' great!
People seem to be most pissed at the vagueness of the light, but really it is one of those things that is better left to personal conclusion. It really doesn't need to be so strictly defined with a distinct origin, and they were right in AtS that an answer would just lead to another question, and a "What is God" type question will never quench your satisfaction ultimately. What the light is capable of, what the stakes are and what it means for the characters is all we need to know for the story of Lost to conclude.
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cyclonekruse said:
Wasn't Dharma founded by Hanso? Having Jacob be the creator of Dharma opens a big ass can of worms IMO.
Drealmcc0y
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Thats Alvar Hanso
Drealmcc0y said:So the only thing the show didnt answer was:
1.Cabin
2.Walt
3.Illana(who cares?)
God damn what an amazing show for answering so many questions.
I'm with you in being overall positive about state at which things were ended, but there's a hell of a lot more problems with the plot than just those three. There are plotholes, dropped plots, non-answers, and some answers that are inherently dodgy and unsatisfying to many (namely that the island is so old that its origins are lost to time, like the rules of Senet).
And actually, I think Walt is pretty clearly a candidate being tested like what they did to Locke. I'd be surprised if the DVD extras show me to be significantly wrong.
Drealmcc0y
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Well dont beat about the bush and give us those examples..
cyclonekruse
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Naked Snake said:
Yeah, the more I think about it, it doesn't work. Pretending to be someone else would require lots of lying. And Jacob doesn't know how to lie.
Drealmcc0y said:
Plotholes:
- Eloise Hawking. "Flashes before your eyes" makes no damn sense given the eventual explanations for both time travel and how Hawking knows so much (Faraday's journal).
- Smokey appearing off island to Jack as his father, and on the freighter, when they eventually make an explicit point of saying that he can't leave the island. The latter can be explained away by "it really was the ghost of Christian, not a Smokey illusion, but the hospital scene with the smoke detector makes no sense.
I think plotholes like these are a result of having so many writers writing scenes before they finally settled on an explanation for a mystery.
Dropped Plots:
- Kind of Walt. Wrote him out of the show necessarily, but never really picked it up again in any meaningful way. Like I said, I think it is mostly explained, and I like that they are going back to it for the DVD extras.
- Ash barriers to repel Smokey? The only sign that they ever do anything at all is against Bram in the statue, and he still gets owned.
- Aaron. I don't buy that "oh, Claire eventually got to raise him" as the explanation, nor the psychic's claim as being a fraud, as that leaves Kate's off-island visions/dreams unexplained.
Inherently Unsatisfying to Many (not me, but I hear these complaints a lot):
- The entire hierarchy of "He knows the answers!" to "He's fucking clueless like the rest of us!". I actually liked that element of the show, but it seems to piss off the vast majority of viewers.
- The nature of the island being so old that nobody knows its origins or purpose. Everything that even Jacob's mother says is suspect, and no more "right" than what anybody else that came to the island believes.
- That the show never reveals whether or not a person is lying. Widmore's final motives and reason for showing up? Smokey's explanations of his limitations? Who killed the Ajira passengers (Smokey, having lied about being able to fly over water, or Widmore, just being a dick?)
- The rules are whatever Jacob says they are.
Botched Plots:
- The Infection
The show does do a good job of answering most of the mysteries that arise during seasons one and two, but there's just so much there that some plots were inevitably executed poorly.
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Yaweee said:
I dont see whats wrong with the ash to repel smokey, theres no contradictions there.
I also dont see whats wrong with Eloise Hawking either.
So that leaves:
1. Walt
2. Christian
3. Cabin
4. Illana(who cares?)
5. Aaron
a couple of contradictions and a couple of dropped plot lines.
still damn awesome
InaudibleWhispa
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You have definitely brought up some inconsistencies there Yaweee, but it's as I said earlier; nothing that I feel damages the show in any great way, and they certainly aren't questions/plot holes that hurt the conclusion. I think given the scope of the show and the number of plot points, characters and timelines, that a few plot points would be left aside and a few holes form, but I think that they kept it to a minimum and at the end of the day they did a pretty great job bringing it all together to form a cohesive whole. Not perfect, but given the mess it could have been I am left satisfied at the end of the day.
I have no problem with Aaron though. Lindelof have stated that it was answered -- the Psychic was fake, Aaron is a normal boy. I just put Kate's "vision" down to guilt. The start of her journey to realising that she needs to reunite Aaron with Claire.
I have no problem with Aaron though. Lindelof have stated that it was answered -- the Psychic was fake, Aaron is a normal boy. I just put Kate's "vision" down to guilt. The start of her journey to realising that she needs to reunite Aaron with Claire.
Drealmcc0y said:
The entire plot in Flashes Before Your Eyes is setup like some kind of alternate timeline, with Desmond remembering what happened when he experienced that part of his life normally, and Eloise speaks of it as if everything already happened, and she's trying to make things the same way. However, later Desmond is portrayed as just living life out of order and not remembering events as he experiences them, and there's no way in which Eloise Hawking could know that the guy in the red shoes was going to die.
The ash thing I guess is tangentially related to the Cabin plot. I expected them to make references to the ash later in S6, but it just never came.
InaudibleWhispa said:
I completely agree. I still love the show, and it's as much of a mess as you would reasonably expect a 100 hour show written by 20 writers, filmed by 20 directors, and acted by hundreds would be. There's some legitimate complaints about how the show ended up, and I respect that. The problems just don't bother me as they bothered some people, and that's how I tend to be with respect to most forms of entertainment.
However, when I see complaints about "What about the polar bears?", "Who built the statue?", or "Who is Henry Gale?", I think there's something seriously goddamn wrong with the viewers asking those questions.
I thought parts of The End were sappy, but I think that about pretty many shows and movies (pretty much every romantic comedy, or even non-romantic comedies, ends up wasting time at the end for some rather trite emotional moments that just don't seem to work on me).
Drealmcc0y
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InaudibleWhispa said:
I think it was the man in black giving her a dream to bring her back to the island. Another mystery solved
Drealmcc0y
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I dont see whats wrong with the ash, its something he cant cross. The end
Drealmcc0y
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Yaweee said:
Yeah Jacob probably made it a rule that whenever Dogen is in the temple smokey cant go in, the ash is a secondary measure.
TADA!
cyclonekruse
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Yaweee said:
Consider that Desmond's consciousness might have been jumping to a pseudo-X-timeline that Eloise made for Desmond. It was a near-death experience after all. Then all the reminders of the Island in his experience can be written off as bleeding effects a la Jack's neck cut and appendix scar.
Then, his visions of the "future" would be residual memories of the past after his consciousness visited the afterlife. Whatever happened, happened, after all.
And we know that the X-timeline can affect the regular one with Juliet's "we could go Dutch."
Drealmcc0y
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Catalix said:
Season 2 finale:
Kelvin: "You need to live a little, let go."
Desmond: "Im never gonna let go brotha."
On the last Totally Lost, the two guys were speculating that because MIB died when the light was out (i.e. the normal balance between life and death was thrown out of whack), his soul didn't get to move on to any kind of afterlife or limbo like everyone else did. He's just plain dead, and just doesn't exist anymore.
Has nothing to do with what you guys are talking about now :lol , I've just been meaning to say how much I like that theory.
Has nothing to do with what you guys are talking about now :lol , I've just been meaning to say how much I like that theory.
Drealmcc0y
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Blader5489 said:
damn what a tragic character MiB is.
He doesnt even get anything in death either
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That shit is almost too sad for MiB. For fuck's sake, HE DIDN'T CHOOSE TO BE THAT WAY!:lol :lol
cyclonekruse
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Holy crap. This conversation got me thinking about the psychic's daughter. When she met up with Eko in the airport she said she spoke with Yemi while she was "between places." It seems like the Limbo/Purgatory storyline has been percolating longer than I realized.
Drealmcc0y
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cyclonekruse said:
dun dun duuuuuun
Yemi was waiting for Eko to die, before they could move on.
Shiiii
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Drealmcc0y said:
You want a real mind=blown moment (that is just as likely coincidence as planned)?
As Eko is walking over to the psychic's daughter you hear the sound of a plane flying overhead that's strikingly similar to the "transition" sound between the X-timeline and the real one. It's interesting that it takes place just prior to a conversation having to do with limbo. And there's another one (quieter) just as the conversation about limbo ends.
Seriously, watch it. It's from "?". Almost at the end.
As bad as I want to go point for point through your list, Im going to refrain as it would change what this conversation is about.cyclonekruse said:
Your answers themselves and the way you are wording many of them paints the picture Im trying to paint here. Many of your answers take on a tone of "maybe they..." and "Im not really sure but..." and many of them are just guess work based on barely anything. Their mom was the smoke monster? How does that fall into the story at all especially considering how the smoke monster was created in the first place?
But aside from that, I disagree that any other show would get away with this because that isnt the case. Most tv shows fall into two categories. They either pose questions in the beginning of the episode and answer them by the end (Xfiles, Fringe) or they pose questions and answer them a few episodes later (The Wire). Lost sits in this horrible middle ground where they answered some things and conveniently ignored others and there wasnt any rhyme or reason to it. It was all very arbitrary.
Lists like this (and the other one recently posted) are unacceptable in my eyes.
Im not searching for meaning in everything as you said. I dont even care about half the things on this list. I dont care who put the question mark in the grass but at the same time, you cant make such a big thing of some plot point and then disregard it. And they did this time and time again and I do agree that it was unfair to the fans who tuned in every week for this show looking for some sort of clarity. Just because they wrote the finale so that all of these things didnt matter doesnt make it so. Why did I watch the first 5 seasons? Season 6 only served to answer to itself and felt very self contained for the most part. This shouldnt be.
I guess Im taking issue with the fact that you said Chucks response was off base. It isnt. You cant sit there, read my list and then respond with a bunch of guesses about electromagnetism giving men super sperm and honestly feel this show didnt fuck up a bit.
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.GqueB. said:
They are based on clues from the show as well as inferences. Some of it's guesswork. Some of it is just that there's only one reasonable answer.
Very well, actually. Evidence: She told Jacob that entering the light would lead to a fate worse than death. How would she know that? Also, she destroyed an entire camp and filled a hole in the matter of maybe an hour. We've only seen one being on the show with that kind of capability. Last, she thanked MiB for killing her. That's telling to me.
Every story leaves of any length develops plot holes, inconsistencies, and leaves questions unanswered. If people took the same fine-toothed comb to The X Files, I'm sure they'd find just as many problems.
The problem is that you yourself admit that half of the things on the list are irrelevant. You don't care about the answers.
Red herrings. Lost has a lot. Also, many of the things that you thought they made a big deal out of didn't seem like a big deal to me.
The things that didn't matter (for the most part) never mattered. Just because a lot of people fixated on minor minutiae in the show doesn't mean those details had any lasting significance. Ben's childhood friend was important for that episode. She had a profound effect on Ben. Beyond that, she was unimportant and didn't need revisiting.
I can't disagree more. Without the first 5 seasons, Season 6 wouldn't have happened. If nothing else, Jack wouldn't have developed into the man who volunteered to protect the island and ultimately save everyone by replugging the hole.
Your list, in all honesty, had little substance. Aside from the Cabin, Walt, and Illana (which are things that everyone admits the writers fell short on), you were asking relatively unimportant questions or questions we do have satisfactory answers for, even if they weren't clearly elucidated.
Case in point, you mock my explanation that the EM can give better fertility. However, throughout the entire series, the island has had healing properties. Locke is cured of paralysis. Rose no longer has cancer. Jin is able to conceive with Sun even though in the real world he is sterile. Injuries heal faster than normal (Locke has his leg impaled by the door in Lockdown...how long does that keep him on crutches?). Add to that the fact that the statue was of Tawaret, a fertility Goddess, and it seems pretty clear that something is going on with the Island that allows for increased conception rates. The easiest answer for that "something" is that the EM/Source is the cause. After all, the Source is purportedly tied to Life, Death and Rebirth. "Life" and "Rebirth" are pretty closely related to conception, I would say.
I'll grant you that the issues with pregnancies seem to throw a wrench in all of this, but they explained that with the Incident.
Drealmcc0y
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You're my hero cyclone
To bring up Totally Lost again, in one of their last segments, they were juxtaposing the Temple carnage from the end of "Sundown" to the destruction of the Roman village in "Across the Sea," and the two looked pretty damn similar to me.
It could just be a big coincidence, but that seems like a hint to me that the Mother was also a Smokey herself.
It could just be a big coincidence, but that seems like a hint to me that the Mother was also a Smokey herself.
Catalix
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Really dug that too.Blader5489 said:
I also really like their theory that the light in the church was literally the Island's "light."
I choose to believe that Mother knew what she was talking about, for the most part. Every human has a little piece of the light within them, essentially their souls. So when their body expires, it makes sense that they would all eventually return to the source of "life, death, and rebirth"
MOTHER: Light. The warmest, brightest light you've ever seen or felt.
If that's the case, I now specifically see the sideways as these people coming to terms with "losing" their sense of individuality, before merging back into the Source. It's their last hurrah in appreciating what it meant to be an independently functioning personality. I'm guessing the merging process would be a lot easier to cope with if you took that final journey with other people you're already closely connected to. That's why they chose to go together. It'd feel like a natural transition.
It's a trade off. When a person gets cycled back into the Light, they will no longer get to think and exist as separate entities, but they will be in a state of perpetual bliss and never have to feel loneliness again.
If anyone is familiar with Evangelion,
Losties are basically breaking down the walls of their literal AT fields. However, in End of Eva, Shinji was given a choice to reject the notion of human instrumentality, thus preserving his existence as an individual.
Drealmcc0y
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Mother being smokey is definetly one of the things Darlton wants us to ponder on
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Eeeew. That would just make me feel awful for the thousands of people who died around the world during that time.Blader5489 said:
Drealmcc0y
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Lost Apologists WIN!
I see people use this explanation all the time, but if they went back and rewatched Something Nice Back Home they'd realise Jack wasn't taking medication prior to seeing Christian. In fact he asks the doctor for pills directly after turning off the smoke alarm.cyclonekruse said:
InaudibleWhispa
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It's the start of Jack's decline though. He even believes himself that it was a hallucination and asks for medication. It was the second time he see's Christian in the hospital, the first time he walks past him in the hallway which is why I don't think it could be Smokey as the rest of the staff would recognize him if he was really there. Soon after Jack starts writing prescriptions for himself believing that they're from his father, and asks that his father be brought downstairs. I think it's a clear that any Christian appearance is just part of his delusions.Rekubot said:
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