LOST 06.17/18/18.5: "The End" (Everything Else Was Just Progress)

Status
Not open for further replies.
BenjaminBirdie said:
Aaron Paul deserves it. He remembers in high school when he made an Emmy out of wood in shop class. It kind of looked like shit at first, but his teacher pushed him to do a better one and he worked all year on it, adding gold finish, polishing it, making sure each curve was perfect. He got an A.

Eventually, though,
he sold it to buy some weed.
Click to expand...
^ perfect :lol
 
brandonh83 said:
No way I'm reading that until everyone else does and tells me that I absolutely should.
Click to expand...
Only halfway through, but I'm really digging it so far. It's making sense to me.

At the very least, it's different from the stuff we usually hear. The theory he's positing is that The Light = Time itself.
 
brandonh83 said:
No way I'm reading that until everyone else does and tells me that I absolutely should.
Click to expand...

Well, the author believes that MiB was the first Smokey. That's something that I just can't buy. Mother being a Smokey makes too much sense.

However, the rest of his theory isn't too bad, IMO, especially the cave of light housing time thing. If the light is somehow an embodiment of time, then a lot of things do come together. Rousseau and crew were researching time. The time travel, obviously. The consciousness shifting of Desmond and Minkowski. How illnesses are stopped (or reversed). Time dilation. Having to find the island by predicting where it will be. The donkey wheel sending you through space (because space and time are linked). How the lighthouse can see the house Jack grew up in.

And it would explain Mother's speech and also why if the light goes out on the island, it goes out everywhere. And if time does "go out" then as Desmond is warned, everything he loves truly will cease to be.

I'm less sure about Smokey being the manifestation of the deep dark past, though. I can deal with MiB and Jacob having some manner of control over time. MiB can clearly see anyone's past, kinda like Miles but much more in depth. That's how Smokey can work as a judge so well. You can't hide your past from him. Jacob can travel all over the world and has a knack for being at the right place at the right time. MiB can also do this on the island.
 
cyclonekruse said:
Well, the author believes that MiB was the first Smokey. That's something that I just can't buy. Mother being a Smokey makes too much sense.
Click to expand...

I don't think he said that.

He said that it was the first time smokey was embodied by a human, giving him goals and a reason to be.
 
cyclonekruse said:
Well, the author believes that MiB was the first Smokey. That's something that I just can't buy. Mother being a Smokey makes too much sense.
Click to expand...

I think the author makes it clear that the smoke monster first appeared the moment ancient egyptians began manipulating time, i.e. the past became manifest. However, it wasn't until Jacob tossed MiB into the light/shredder that the smoke monster merged with a consciousness, a purpose.

The sole problem I have with this particular part of the theory is that the mother said that she knew what happened when a human entered the light source, a fate worse than death, suggesting that she, or someone she knew, had previously merged with the smoke monster.
 
oatmeal said:
I don't think he said that.

He said that it was the first time smokey was embodied by a human, giving him goals and a reason to be.
Click to expand...

Yeah, but then how did Mother kill all the village and fill that hole? In a manner that was very reminiscent of the Sundown killings, no less. Plus the skeletons at the bottom of the cave and mother saying it's a fate worse than death to enter the light leads me to believe there have been several Smokeys. They might not all have had MiB's rage, though.
 
Catalix said:
Only halfway through, but I'm really digging it so far. It's making sense to me.

At the very least, it's different from the stuff we usually hear. The theory he's positing is that The Light = Time itself.
Click to expand...

Well, until I get more "info" be it from the upcoming DVD/Blu-ray release of Season 6/complete series, if any at all, my personal stance is that the island's power is what creates the afterlife for all beings on the planet. May sound silly, but the way it works in my head makes sense. Eloise makes those cryptic comments about how, if they fail to go back to the island and accomplish whatever goal, that it will "end badly for everyone" or whatever. As in, the end of someone's life if the light on the island goes out, their soul will have nowhere to go when they die.

Desmond gets exposed to a load of electromagnetism, which the light of the island seems to give off. I know this isn't really Lost-related, however, in a lot of those ghost shows you watch on TV, they have equipment for detecting electromagnetism because it's a general belief that paranormal activity is the strongest when EM levels are high or whatever, and on the island there's a big thing about ghosts, Michael saying that the whispers are souls that cannot move on, etc. Anyway, Desmond gets exposed to a lot of the stuff and it gives him the ability, later, to jump between the island timeline and the afterlife timeline in the flash-sideways. This tells me that the electromagnetism, the island's light power, and the afterlife are all related. They practically spelled it out that because of his exposure to the EM, he is consciously able to jump into afterlife-timeline. See, until The End, we didn't know the flash-sideways was the afterlife. We simply thought it was another timeline they created due to the hydrogen bomb going off and therefore it was still the same kind of thing we saw Desmond doing in earlier seasons. And since its the same energy that allows Desmond to hop-skip between realities, I believe it's all related.

So until further evidence is revealed that suggests otherwise, I'm saying the light of the island is what "generates" an afterlife for everyone-- I would say it generates the afterlife for people who die on the island, and it could very well be, but someone suggested that David (Jack's lusty son) was in the flash-sideways as Jack's son because he needed Jack and Juliet to be his parents in that reality and I really dig that. I hope that made some level of sense, it's really hard for me to put into words.
 
cyclonekruse said:
Yeah, but then how did Mother kill all the village and fill that hole? In a manner that was very reminiscent of the Sundown killings, no less. Plus the skeletons at the bottom of the cave and mother saying it's a fate worse than death to enter the light leads me to believe there have been several Smokeys. They might not all have had MiB's rage, though.
Click to expand...

It's best to ignore me when I make no sense :lol

Sorry, I read yours wrong.
 
brandonh83 said:
Well, until I get more "info" be it from the upcoming DVD/Blu-ray release of Season 6/complete series, if any at all, my personal stance is that the island's power is what creates the afterlife for all beings on the planet. May sound silly, but the way it works in my head makes sense. Eloise makes those cryptic comments about how, if they fail to go back to the island and accomplish whatever goal, that it will "end badly for everyone" or whatever. As in, the end of someone's life if the light on the island goes out, their soul will have nowhere to go when they die.

Desmond gets exposed to a load of electromagnetism, which the light of the island seems to give off. I know this isn't really Lost-related, however, in a lot of those ghost shows you watch on TV, they have equipment for detecting electromagnetism because it's a general belief that paranormal activity is the strongest when EM levels are high or whatever, and on the island there's a big thing about ghosts, Michael saying that the whispers are souls that cannot move on, etc. Anyway, Desmond gets exposed to a lot of the stuff and it gives him the ability, later, to jump between the island timeline and the afterlife timeline in the flash-sideways. This tells me that the electromagnetism, the island's light power, and the afterlife are all related. They practically spelled it out that because of his exposure to the EM, he is consciously able to jump into afterlife-timeline. See, until The End, we didn't know the flash-sideways was the afterlife. We simply thought it was another timeline they created due to the hydrogen bomb going off and therefore it was still the same kind of thing we saw Desmond doing in earlier seasons. And since its the same energy that allows Desmond to hop-skip between realities, I believe it's all related.

So until further evidence is revealed that suggests otherwise, I'm saying the light of the island is what "generates" an afterlife for everyone-- I would say it generates the afterlife for people who die on the island, and it could very well be, but someone suggested that David (Jack's lusty son) was in the flash-sideways as Jack's son because he needed Jack and Juliet to be his parents in that reality and I really dig that. I hope that made some level of sense, it's really hard for me to put into words.
Click to expand...
Nope, not silly at all. I totally get what you're saying, since my personal theory is basically on the same page as yours. I'm firmly regarding it as the most satisfying "theory of everything," and that's not changing any time soon.

I'm pretty much open to other people's interpretations, though. If I had to rank theories, this new "light=time" one is in the top 5 of valid plausible, explanations.
 
brandonh83 said:
Well, until I get more "info" be it from the upcoming DVD/Blu-ray release of Season 6/complete series, if any at all, my personal stance is that the island's power is what creates the afterlife for all beings on the planet. May sound silly, but the way it works in my head makes sense. Eloise makes those cryptic comments about how, if they fail to go back to the island and accomplish whatever goal, that it will "end badly for everyone" or whatever. As in, the end of someone's life if the light on the island goes out, their soul will have nowhere to go when they die.
Click to expand...

Can't it be a bit of both? I mean, the afterlife is generally considered a place where time has no meaning. "There is no 'now' here." Plus, some of the people like Kate and Hurley died when they were older. However, in the flashsideways, they revert to a former physical form. In a sense, they go back in time.

At the end, they enter the afterlife, a place where time is in infinite supply. Also a place where past, present, and future have little meaning. And when that place/light/time interacts with our world, there are bleeding effects where the future is visible at our present. Think Juliet and going Dutch.

As a final note, don't forget some of Christian's last words: "The most important part of your life was the time that you spent with these people." Seems telling when viewed in this light.
 
^ That works too.

Myriad of possibilities. Love it.
 
cyclonekruse said:
Can't it be a bit of both? I mean, the afterlife is generally considered a place where time has no meaning. "There is no 'now' here." Plus, some of the people like Kate and Hurley died when they were older. However, in the flashsideways, they revert to a former physical form. In a sense, they go back in time.

At the end, they enter the afterlife, a place where time is in infinite supply. Also a place where past, present, and future have little meaning. And when that place/light/time interacts with our world, there are bleeding effects where the future is visible at our present. Think Juliet and going Dutch.

As a final note, don't forget some of Christian's last words: "The most important part of your life was the time that you spent with these people." Seems telling when viewed in this light.
Click to expand...

Yeah, sure. I'll have to give it a read. I do want to note, however, and I have plenty of people (and even think posts on GAF even) to back me up, but when the time-travel stuff was going on, I mentioned the idea that the power of the island controls time, that it's the center of time. I abandoned that theory a while back, but...
 
Seems to me that the island, and its power, is simply order. Life/death, time/space, good/evil...the island is all of that, and it maintains all of that in the world.

And without the island, there's just chaos.
 
The only things that I can't quite lump into my theories is all the stuff about Jacob bringing people to the island to prove MIB wrong, what the "evil" is that the island has plugged up or whatever according to Jacob, etc. It might be too much to try to wrap my poor head around.
 
Going further with the light=time theme, I thought of something. When MiB was making his original donkey wheel, he noted that both the light and the water needed to be manipulated.

The water seems to be important. The two are inexorably linked. When the light went out in the cave after the plug was pulled, so too did the water stop flowing. That could represent a halt in the flow of time.

The water in the temple is presumably the same water as flowing into the cave. When young Ben is healed in the temple, his body (and mind) may have gone back in time to a state before he was shot (and a state before he remembered Sayid). Food for thought.
 
Spire said:
Anyone who has seen "One Minute" (the episode of Breaking Bad that is nominated in that category) would know otherwise.
Click to expand...

I am part of Breaking Bad-GAF too you know.

It still doesn't beat "The End".

Another given: Michael Giacchino for music.
 
Was this posted?

Lindelcuse reaction to the noms:

http://livefeed.hollywoodreporter.com/2010/07/lost-producers-react-to-final-season-emmy-noms.html

'Lost' producers react to final season Emmy noms
Each year “Lost” co-executive producers Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof prep for Emmy nominations with a special tradition.

“I don’t sleep the night before,” Lindelof explained. “I put myself in a position to maximize my suffering.”

While the superstitious Cuse sleeps through the nominations and rolls out of bed at a leisurely 7:30 a.m. The ABC show earned 12 Emmy nominations this year, including outstanding drama series.

“I had 50 emails this morning,” Cuse said. “It was either good Emmy news or LeBron is going to the Lakers!”

On a more sentimental tip, Lindelof added: “It’s a really big deal for us, because it would have been easy to say, 'out of sight, out of mind.’”

Both Cuse and Lindelof agree that it’s too soon to move on from “Lost” into new TV ventures.

“There’s sort of a mourning process that’s been going on,” Cuse said. “'Lost’ is the only thing that’s occupied our brain for six years.”

While Lindelof has jumped on board to write and produce the Star Trek sequel, he says that it will take something “really special” to return to television.

(In case you're wondering, of course we would have asked what the duo thought of fan reaction to the series finale, but we were strictly warned more than once that they're not answering any questions about that subject).
Click to expand...

Is Lindelcuse gonna have to choke a bitch?
 
brandonh83 said:
The only things that I can't quite lump into my theories is all the stuff about Jacob bringing people to the island to prove MIB wrong, what the "evil" is that the island has plugged up or whatever according to Jacob, etc. It might be too much to try to wrap my poor head around.
Click to expand...

Jacob brings people to the island to prove that men are not all corruptable, that there is good in men. Its just a personal thing between Jacob and the MiB, nothing more.

I think the "evil" is just evil in general, "darkness", "hell" "malevolence".

Its my belief that the light is the afterlife in some way, and if the light were be put out everyone would go to "hell" as stated by Hurley in Ab Aaeterno, or they would be unable to "move on" so their souls would be trapped. That doesnt mean the island is purgatory, its definetly similar though.
 
I'm looking for the explanation of the finale that was posted in this thread that has to do with how the sideways world was a chance for them to reconcile there pasts and get past their character flaws.

Does anyone know what I am talking about? If not, could someone link to a good finale explanation? I keep trying to explain it to my girlfriend, but I can't seem to verbalize it as clearly as some others have.
 
Imperial Hot said:
I'm looking for the explanation of the finale that was posted in this thread that has to do with how the sideways world was a chance for them to reconcile there pasts and get past their character flaws.

Does anyone know what I am talking about? If not, could someone link to a good finale explanation? I keep trying to explain it to my girlfriend, but I can't seem to verbalize it as clearly as some others have.
Click to expand...

The flash sideways was the 'ideal' world for them that was still polluted by their problems from before the crash. By remembering their experiences on the islands (how they fixed those problems), it makes the ideal world complete, and move on.

What specifically does she have trouble with? There may be an explanation for that too.
 
The writers/producers screwed Evangeline Lilly out of a nom by giving her one of the worst centrics of all time this year.....:lol Oh well, she had a nom in the past so it's not like her work has never been recognized.

Josh Holloway has also given some amazing performances throughout the past 6 years and it's sad that his work was not recognized either, although once again, seems like he just didn't have enough to do this season and his centric wasn't anything to write home about.

I used to HATE Mathew Fox's acting...and I'm not talking about my feelings toward the character, I just hated his twitches and specific quirks like turning his head and wiping his mouth and other things he used to do a lot, but he seems to have corrected those things over the years, I'm glad he finally got his nod.
 
Imperial Hot said:
I'm looking for the explanation of the finale that was posted in this thread that has to do with how the sideways world was a chance for them to reconcile there pasts and get past their character flaws.

Does anyone know what I am talking about? If not, could someone link to a good finale explanation? I keep trying to explain it to my girlfriend, but I can't seem to verbalize it as clearly as some others have.
Click to expand...

The characters weren't able to resolve all of their issues in life. Jack's father issues, Locke's former relationship with Helen, Sawyer's past as a con man and his future alone (no Juliet), Ben's guilt over Alex's death and stealing her from her mother, etc. The sideways world allows them to work through these issues and make up for them before they can finally be able to move on.
 
I just now FINALLY caught up on this thread. I've read all the season 6 Lost topics all the way through and I wish I had been there from the beginning (I started watching the show this past December and only got to watch season 6 on TV). Awesome show, awesome ending. What a fantastic ride the series has been. I just can't let go just yet... I need the epilogue, the final season on DVD (unfortunately, I don't have a Blu-ray player), and the final season soundtrack. Then, maybe I can let go. It's just not my time yet.
 
Liara T'Soni said:
The writers/producers screwed Evangeline Lilly out of a nom by giving her one of the worst centrics of all time this year.....:lol Oh well, she had a nom in the past so it's not like her work has never been recognized.
Click to expand...
Considering she used to do late night phone call commercials and be one of the presenter girls on Reviews on the Run. Her career has skyrocketed already.
 
Deadly said:
Considering she used to do late night phone call commercials and be one of the presenter girls on Reviews on the Run. Her career has skyrocketed already.
Click to expand...

I was being half serious.

Obviously, she owes them her entire career.

Just saying that with a little more work this season, she probably could have got a nom as well.
 
DarkWish said:
I just now FINALLY caught up on this thread. I've read all the season 6 Lost topics all the way through and I wish I had been there from the beginning (I started watching the show this past December and only got to watch season 6 on TV). Awesome show, awesome ending. What a fantastic ride the series has been. I just can't let go just yet... I need the epilogue, the final season on DVD (unfortunately, I don't have a Blu-ray player), and the final season soundtrack. Then, maybe I can let go. It's just not my time yet.
Click to expand...

Awesome, its always nice to see people happy with all the rage going on
 
Drealmcc0y said:
Awesome, its always nice to see people happy with all the rage going on
Click to expand...
Oh, I'm not happy about that at all. I just ignore it. It's obvious the show went over most people's heads and some people are just stupid when it comes to answers ("OMG they didn't answer what Jacob's favorite color is!"). I just don't have the time or energy to explain it to them. But I do applaud those in this thread that did try to. It's also been very interesting reading people's theories on things as well. Since I sped through the first five seasons, some things were kind of a blur, so reading all the NeoGAF topics helped refresh my mind.

It is kind of annoying though in person. I'm doing an internship at a doctor's office and the doctor I work with watches Lost. So I asked him about the finale and he said he liked it. He was like "I have this theory about the show" and looked pretty excited that he had it figured out... and then he said "I think they all died in the plane crash". Since he's basically my boss and has helped me out a ton, I had to fight back the urge to really say something so I just said "that's an interesting theory, but I don't think they all died" and tried to explain what actually happened. Oh well. Most of my friends don't watch the show or anything so I didn't have to listen to people complaining about stuff.

But yea, definitely looking forward to doing a series re-watch soon.

EDIT: I think I read your post wrong. I thought you meant that sarcastically. If you did, then read above. But if you were actually happy, then awesome.
 
I'm one of the fans who did care about answers, but I guess the difference is that I felt that most things were answered, at least the stuff that was the most important or interesting to me. I didn't feel cheated, in the end.
 
brandonh83 said:
I'm one of the fans who did care about answers, but I guess the difference is that I felt that most things were answered, at least the stuff that was the most important or interesting to me. I didn't feel cheated, in the end.
Click to expand...
Yea, that's what I meant. Obviously, if big things weren't answered, I'd be unhappy. But I think all the major stuff was answered while the rest was left for us to piece together which is perfect for me. I think the only disappointing answer for me was Smokey being Christian just cause of the few things like the freighter scene and stuff, but other than that I'm really happy with the answers. I just don't get the mentality of those people who say they didn't answer anything... that's just plain wrong.
 
brandonh83 said:
I'm one of the fans who did care about answers, but I guess the difference is that I felt that most things were answered, at least the stuff that was the most important or interesting to me. I didn't feel cheated, in the end.
Click to expand...

Yeah i care for the answers, but i also never hyped the answers, i knew from past experiences mystery is always better than than the answers. So i was happy with all the answers we got. I also feel we got all the most important questions answered. Like if they didnt explain the monster i would understand the hate.
 
Tim-E said:
No clue how many times I've played this.
Click to expand...

I lost count some time around the second hour.. Now that Blader posted the link I'll be listening to it for the rest of the morning.

Towards the end when the music begins to swell and drop(right before life & death) makes me want to stab myself just so I can walk outside and collapse. Amazing.
 
Nameless said:
I lost count some time around the second hour.. Now that Blader posted the link I'll be listening to it for the rest of the morning.

Towards the end when the music begins to swell and drop(right before life & death) makes me want to stab myself just so I can walk outside and collapse. Amazing.
Click to expand...

:lol

Does anyone know if theres going to be a complete seasons 1-6 edition for the soundtrack?
 
Drealmcc0y said:
:lol

Does anyone know if theres going to be a complete seasons 1-6 edition for the soundtrack?
Click to expand...

No idea. I would hoping it would've been announced already, but considering it took them a year to get the S5 soundtrack out I wouldn't hold my breath.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

Isn't it amazing everything is still a WWW.
29
2K
Drew1440 replied
High-End Headphone help
15
491
Xeela_sunston replied
Amazing remake of Raiders of the Lost Ark in the early 80’s
4
959
Evil Calvin replied
What is a skill you had but lost?
2
54
658
BennyBlanco replied
Does anyone else enjoy watching survival videos?
11
251
EverydayBeast replied
Top Bottom