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Erigu, excuse me if you've answered this before, but have you watched the entire series? The entire 6 year span; 121 episodes? If so, that's some serious self flagellation considering how much of it you didn't enjoy (all of it). Did you hate yourself the entire time? Is that why you're taking it out on us?!
 
8byte said:
The only thing you've seemed to make clear, to me, is that you judge people based on their opinions of a television show
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Where does that come from?

and tell them that their opinion is, in a nutshell, shit.
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Well, if they think the writing was any good, they're wrong, certainly.

The fact that you can't get over that suggests you have some deeply seeded obsession with the show that may not be healthy, lol.
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Resorting to a lazy "you're obviously obsessed / out of your mind so I won't even acknowledge your arguments and simply call you a troll instead lulz" defense is such a novel idea. You're a true pioneer.


ThingontheFloor said:
Erigu, excuse me if you've answered this before, but have you watched the entire series? The entire 6 year span; 121 episodes? If so, that's some serious self flagellation considering how much of it you didn't enjoy (all of it).
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Well, it was hilarious.
 
Erigu said:
Well, it was hilarious.
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Still doesn't seem like a good enough reason to waste so much time on something you didn't enjoy. Not asking you - "JUSTIFY YOURSELF", but I'm assuming you had nothing else better to do. It would be akin to me watching 7 seasons of Tyler Perry's House of Payne for ironic purposes.
 
Erigu said:
I do enjoy mocking shitty writing.
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Clearly, you've said that enough times now. I actually don't mind what you do with your spare time, I was just curious if you had any other reason other than "It was so bad I had to". Going to have a Secret Life of the American Teenager marathon now, BRB.
 
Erigu said:
What's up with your questions, then?
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I was actually just curious if you had seen the entire thing, it seemed odd that you actually would have. It just seemed like every other post you had referenced the shit writing, but didn't really indiciate why you would do that to yourself. I'm not trying to grill you on it.
 
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The second person isn't too far off post-wise.

Also, I see no problem with watching something you don't think is that great, especially when Erigu says he got to laugh at it. Enjoying something for the wrong reasons isn't exactly a new concept. (Speaking as someone who played Bulletstorm for the story)
 
Ventilaator said:
The second person isn't too far off post-wise.
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And it doesn't exactly help with my post count when so many posters make it all about me...

"Why would watch a show you hate? lol"
Again, I had fun watching it.
"Sounds like you're obsessed!"
Sounds like you just wanted to say that no matter what and I wasted a few posts on you...

Also, I see no problem with watching something you don't think is that great, especially when Erigu says he got to laugh at it. Enjoying something for the wrong reasons isn't exactly a new concept.
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Ah, but it's far easier to pretend it is than to actually defend the show.
 
Erigu said:
"Easy way out", indeed. Point is, it's shitty writing.
"A wizard did it." Gee, thanks, Lost Answers dude. You sure are doing a great job defending the show.
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Works for me.

Doesn't for you. Nothing else you can say.

Erigu said:
Not all of it, far from it.
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Meh.

Erigu said:
Such bullshit. Lost and Prometheus get criticized because they're very poorly conceived / written, and that's all there is to it.
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No one knows what Lindelof did on the project, a project that Scott had full creative control on...yet he is getting almost all of the blame. I've never in my life seen people blame a writer (one of, btw...Spaihts has been kept from any blame) for a bad movie like this. It's insane. Everyone is blaming Lindelof for it with zero proof as to what he brought to the picture.

That entire film falls on Ridley Scott, that film was his baby.
 
Holy crap, early Lost threads.

Anyone have a link for The Wire? People realized that it's the greatest show ever way later. Would love to read some early impressions.
 
oatmeal said:
Works for me.

Doesn't for you. Nothing else you can say.


Meh.


No one knows what Lindelof did on the project, a project that Scott had full creative control on...yet he is getting almost all of the blame. I've never in my life seen people blame a writer (one of, btw...Spaihts has been kept from any blame) for a bad movie like this. It's insane. Everyone is blaming Lindelof for it with zero proof as to what he brought to the picture.

That entire film falls on Ridley Scott, that film was his baby.
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Well, we apparently do know some:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prometheus_(film)#cite_note-Writing1-60
"Spaihts met Scott in late 2009, where they discussed Scott's desire to pursue an Alien prequel."

"Spaihts set about writing a 20-page "extremely detailed outline", and within three and a half weeks his first draft was complete, and submitted to the producers on Christmas Day, 2009. Within 12 hours, Scott returned the script with notes for changes, and Spaihts spent the Christmas holiday redrafting."

"By April 2010, the script was on the fourth draft.[57] Scott described the script, saying "we are talking about gods and engineers. Engineers of space. And were the aliens designed as a form of biological warfare? Or biology that would go in and clean up a planet?"

"In June 2010, Scott stated that the script was complete and ready for filming."

"However, Scott instead contacted Lindelof and requested that he review Spaihts' script."

"Scott liked these ideas and had them explored further in Lindelof's rewrite."

"As with David, Lindelof further expanded this facet of the character during his rewrites. Lindelof spent approximately eight months developing the script, finishing in March 2011, as filming began."
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Scott liked Lindelof's finished rewrite in 2011 better than Spaihts finished script in 2010.
Scott talked to them a lot about ideas.

If Scott thought Lindelof's was worse or shit he should and could have got a third writer or changed things.

I agree, Scott's fault. This isn't a TV show with a release schedule.

I haven't seen the movie yet.
 
oatmeal said:
Works for me.
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Poor storytelling clearly works for some, or we wouldn't have gotten six seasons of this mess...

Meh.
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'Kay, thanks for elaborating.

No one knows what Lindelof did on the project
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He was the writer?

I've never in my life seen people blame a writer (one of, btw...Spaihts has been kept from any blame) for a bad movie like this. It's insane.
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I see you're back to making it all about a supposed unfair witch hunt against Lindelof when it's as simple as "bad writing gets criticized"...

Anyway, as I've said here and there:
Since Lindelof wasn't running the show (not on Prometheus, that is), I certainly agree that it would be a bit easy/lazy to claim he's the only one to blame, especially without knowing the exact extent of his input.
That being said, as the last writer on board, it was his job to deliver a decent script, and that clearly didn't happen. The main criticism by far is that the movie was poorly written, so it's not exactly surprising (nor unusual, and definitely not "insane") that the writer would be blamed first and foremost (and in this case, a bunch of the issues with the script are eerily reminiscent of Lost, so yeah, it doesn't look so good for Lindelof).

That entire film falls on Ridley Scott, that film was his baby.
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Just like it would be easy/lazy to blame it all on Lindelof, it's easy/lazy to blame it all on Scott. Or to try and pretend it's all a witch hunt, for that matter.


DeathNote said:
Scott liked Lindelof's finished rewrite in 2011 better than Spaihts finished script in 2010.
Scott talked to them a lot about ideas.
If Scott thought Lindelof's was worse or shit he should and could have got a third writer or changed things.
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"It's all Scott's fault for hiring a hack!"
 
Erigu said:
Anyway, as I've said here and there:
Since Lindelof wasn't running the show (not on Prometheus, that is), I certainly agree that it would be a bit easy/lazy to claim he's the only one to blame, especially without knowing the exact extent of his input.
That being said, as the last writer on board, it was his job to deliver a decent script, and that clearly didn't happen. The main criticism by far is that the movie was poorly written, so it's not exactly surprising (nor unusual, and definitely not "insane") that the writer would be blamed first and foremost (and in this case, a bunch of the issues with the script are eerily reminiscent of Lost, so yeah, it doesn't look so good for Lindelof).


Just like it would be easy/lazy to blame it all on Lindelof, it's easy/lazy to blame it all on Scott. Or to try and pretend it's all a witch hunt, for that matter.
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Actually, you've been really fair to Damon in the Prometheus thread. I'm not referring to you at all with this.

But with nearly 30 minutes cut from the film, who knows what was cut? Editing can make a good script bad. I'll wait and see. And for things like lines that are poorly written/delivered. That's on the director to make it as good as possible (not that I thought anything stood out as particularly bad sounding).

My point is, in that thread everyone is yelling about how Lindelof sucks. When shitty movies come out, the director always gets the blame. Or the film is just shitty. No one names the writer.
 
oatmeal said:
with nearly 30 minutes cut from the film, who knows what was cut? Editing can make a good script bad. I'll wait and see.
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I wouldn't hold my breath... The issues with the plot/script run deep, and there's only so much extra scenes can do.

for things like lines that are poorly written/delivered. That's on the director to make it as good as possible
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Sure, the director can fix some stuff during shooting, but it's the writer's job and responsibility in the first place.

(not that I thought anything stood out as particularly bad sounding).
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Urgh. Well, not the right topic for that...

My point is, in that thread everyone is yelling about how Lindelof sucks. When shitty movies come out, the director always gets the blame. Or the film is just shitty. No one names the writer.
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It happens, but unlike directors and actors, writers are rarely known names (there are exceptions, of course... when they've been producing/writing a successful show for years, for example) or on the front line during the promotion of the movie.
Lindelof, on the other hand... He's not exactly shy, is he? Not really surprising, since he made it clear he was interested in having his name associated with a Ridley Scott project above any other consideration (like, say, actually doing a good job)...
 
Erigu said:
Urgh. Well, not the right topic for that...


It happens, but unlike directors and actors, writers rarely find themselves on the front line during the promotion of the movie. Lindelof, on the other hand... He's not exactly shy, is he? Not really surprising, since he made it clear he was interested in having his name associated with a Ridley Scott project above any other consideration (like, say, actually doing a good job)...
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That's true. But he didn't put himself there, LOST put him there. Not many showrunners were on Letterman prior to LOST.

He embraced social media, and it has backfired on him.

Having said that, half of the LOST crew still love him.
 
Didn't people get the memo we're not feeding Erigu anymore? We were doing so good. That page of Kate was the bomb.

This thread needs a positive turnaround and that was the way to do it.

I know I said I was going to wait a couple years for a re-watch but I think I'll start it after this BSG rewatch. The toughest part of a re-watch is getting past the first half of S1, of which I've probably seen 10+ times watching with various people I got into the show. It's after that point that I've personally only seen it 2-3 times so I'll be much more interested. It's just been a while since I've even been in this thread and now it's giving me Lost pangs.
 
Arment said:
Didn't people get the memo we're not feeding Erigu anymore? We were doing so good. That page of Kate was the bomb.

This thread needs a positive turnaround and that was the way to do it.

I know I said I was going to wait a couple years for a re-watch but I think I'll start it after this BSG rewatch. The toughest part of a re-watch is getting past the first half of S1, of which I've probably seen 10+ times watching with various people I got into the show. It's after that point that I've personally only seen it 2-3 times so I'll be much more interested.
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I don't mind it. It can be fun.

Erigu said:
Yeah, I don't know about that...


Sure gave them a job.
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I mean, yeah he did the podcast (but I think that started mid-season 2), but the shows popularity is what made him who he is. It's not like he was like "I'll be above the show" and started doing press.
 
oatmeal said:
I don't mind it. It can be fun.
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I think some people forget that erigu is an actual person, and that it's entirely possible to have actual conversations and stuff, even if you don't always agree. It's no big deal, y'all /shrug

neoism said:
the past i miss it...


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<3
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Ah it's all coming back to me...
 
Season 2 finished and S3 rewatch beginning soon. GF felt more for Libby's death than Ana-Lucia like I did and still do- such a horribly neglected/written character. Rewatching the finale I think I still prefer S3's Through The looking Glass.

Page 54 too btw, yep.
 
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