Willy105 said:
Kate >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Event
Really, now.
Shit is shit is shit. I don't think one has a particularly superior flavor to the other.
Random things? Like what? This is all based on stuff you bring up.
Yes, you seem to understand some of the words I type. Not the sentences though.
...
Okay, look: you apparently think I care about the fact the sky turned purple
specifically. I don't give a shit about the fact it's purple rather than green or yellow. My point was that the Swan station exploding apparently had some weird effect on the sky (as if something significantly weirder than a facility exploding had happened), and some characters talked about that phenomenon later in season 3, one of them going as far as to say
that was why they had to get Jack to operate on Ben (but not quite as far as to explain how that works exactly, as Ben was already trying to grab Jack before the sky turned purple anyway... could it be that the writers were just carelessly making shit up? naaaah, not on
Lost!).
What about my post did you not understand? Was it real stuff, like maybe some grammatical errors that perhaps distorted the flow of a sentence until it made no sense? Or just things you never thought about before that you can't respond to?
It was like that "sky turning purple " above: you were missing the point so badly that I didn't even know what to tell you. I tried replying for a bit, looked back, saw what my post was turning into, wondered if it was really worth it, gave up and deleted the rest. I didn't need another headache on top of my headache.
But yeah, maybe that was a bit harsh... And I don't have a headache (yet) right now, so
okay:
let's see that again...
1)
After the "sky turning purple" business, you started going on about how Lostpedia says that the
Lost producers used Rodriguez' drunk driving incident as an excuse to kill Ana Lucia, because the audiences didn't like the character, and the actress was being difficult on-set.
While
the article I linked to does mention rumors, it also subscribes to the official version, that is to say, she was supposed to die then and there from the very beginning. There's even that caption: "
Ana Lucia's death was planned from the beginning." Sounds clear enough.
And my point was that I personally don't believe in that official version, as several elements (I listed some in my initial post) hinted at further developments with her. But in the end, nothing. Same thing for Eko, same thing for Libby. Meaning all that time spent with the "tailies" was pretty much *duuun*
lost.
So I don't know where
you were going with that, but it had very little to do with what I was saying. I sounded a bit like you were trying to make a point about Lostpedia's reliability or lack thereof (... with something about a "Jacob car"?), for some unknown reason (besides...
they list their sources, there, so...?).
2)
Then, you said that Michael was "brought back ("back"? ... I probably shouldn't even be asking, right?) to the light", and that doesn't sound like something that ever happened on the show, soooo...
I mean, we're probably to surmise that Walt
did "help his father", based on that scene in
the New Man in Charge, but...?
And then, you added Ben to the mix, as if his and Michael's situations were comparable.
I don't know, Willy105. On one hand, Michael was never seen in the flashsideways (and thus in that church), was shown to be part of the whispers, and apparently needed Walt's help. On the other hand, limbo Ben simply decided not to move on right away (because staying in that bizarro world is apparently extremely punishing or something... I'm sure it makes a lot of sense, like everything else on the show, and I'm not seeing it because I'm using basic Earth logic). Ah, well.
3)
"Ah, well", indeed, because the above "it was just the same thing for Michael and Ben, like, obviously" argument was nothing compared to this "hey, maybe Walt was just another candidate, and that was it!"
Really, Willy105?
The dead birds? Klugh asking his father if he tended to, y'know, kinda teleport or project himself astrally (and he totally did! he even spoke backwards, presumably to say things like "durrr, I forgot to took my clothes off before taking a shower! what were you two doing in that tent, anyway?" what does it mean?
what does it mean??)? The Others being freaked out by him? Ben helpfully saying that he was "more than [they] bargained for" before getting rid of him?
Yeah:
just like the other candidates.
4)
Actually, I gave up with the above. 'Twas a bit too much.
Try again, and see what we were talking about. I put up with your stuff, no reason you can't see the other viewpoint.
See above. I'm a poster, not a miracle worker, Jim!
Anyway, so it can't be said I'm just trying to ignore some brilliant post that proves me wrong about the show beyond the shadow of a doubt...
The rest of your post:
Sure, but the whole point was to fix that. People die for some mysterious reason, they wanted to fix that.
And kidnapping a random pregnant woman and her baby is going to help... how? Couldn't they do that with one of their own? Wouldn't it be simpler? Are they in it for the sport?
That's why they brought in Juliet.
Juliet who thought that it was something that happened at conception and wanted to take one of the mothers off the island in order to test that theory, but Ben said "no".
Maybe it was an even day, and on even days, Jacob doesn't want you to leave the island.
Or maybe it was because Ben wanted to keep Juliet on the island indefinitely, as he's obsessed because "she looks like
her" (... just not obsessed to the point of actually bringing that up again after her death).
Either way, I guess she didn't think of explaining that to
other Others. Or they were just fine with their own dying for no good reason.
To the Jacob storyline? They mattered as much as Oceanic 815, Ajira 316, the Elizabeth, the Kahana, Rousseau's expedition, the Army guys, and the Black Rock did. Subjects for candidacy to replace Jacob.
So you're of the opinion that Jacob brought them on the island? That's indeed possible. In fact, it's never made quite clear if one can simply find the island by accident or not.
But what was up with the Purge, then?
Also, they acted as a source of conflict and mystery for the survivors.
Or, for short: "filler".
Just because they didn't have relevance on Season 6 didn't mean the previous 4 seasons they were in didn't exist.
CHRISTIAN: Everything that's ever happened to you is real. Just really inconsequential for the most part, yeah, but still...
1. Erigu: You mean there wasn't anything on Lost that was left unresolved?
2. Willy105: Yes, the relationship between Ben and Widmore and why Widmore was so important.
I don't remember that exchange...
...
Oh. Oh,
I get it. Well, I think I do, anyway.
When you said "
other than whatever Widmore was supposed to do and the bad guy's name, it didn't actually play out like you said it did, unless you missed stuff", that "it didn't actually play out like you said it did" was referring to my "
"it will all make sense in the end! like, in several years! just trust us!" promises (you know, the ones that were followed by "bwahaha! c'mon, don't be nerds: that never mattered! let's focus on what's really important, here: who ends up with who?")", is that right?
I was talking about what was basically said in interviews and such (as well as implied on the show, but I'm talking to somebody who thinks that
the island being submerged in the first few moments of the season 6 premiere wasn't a plot point because it was never brought up again, so it doesn't look like we're on the same wavelength for that sort of things). Promises vs. what was actually delivered.
(Lindelof in 2005: "
As a member of the community who loved 'The X-Files' for all those years and felt bummed out by the end of it, all I can say is, we're cognitive of trying not to go down the same path"... also, "cognitive": already trying so hard to sound smart... I wonder how many points that word was worth)
But as for the problems with the plot, no, they weren't
quite limited to Widmore's role (a mystery even to the actor portraying him) and the Man in Black's name (what does it matter, what his name is? it's just freaking unnatural/stupid to have Jacob be referred by name, and not his brother, that's all).
Say, did I spend all my time only mentioning those two? I don't think I did.
