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My iPod was on shuffle the other day and it happened to play the arranged Aeris theme followed immediately by "Locke'd Out Again".

After Locke'd Out Again started, I realized how similar Aeris and John Locke are as characters, and in the roles they play in their respective stories. They are both very instict-driven characters who seem unusually at harmony with nature, and who have to die so that the main hero realizes what's at stake and gets his shit together for the final battle. Both of them even show up at the very end in the afterlife.

Pretty cool.

By the way, those two songs are great pieces to listen to one after the other; they blend together and compliment each other very well. It's the "FF7: Reunion" arrangement, for anyone who cares.
 
Calcaneus said:
Yeah, it really was great. I don't know if its because of the the greatness of that finale or the change in tone and quality of the last two seasons, but Lost threads haven't seen that kind of unanimous enthusiasm in a long ass time.

wut?
 
cnizzle06 said:
when Desmond went back in time after the hatch exploded and met Eloise Hawking, how did she know that the individual with the red shoes was going to die?! God, my retarded brain can't comprehend these complex narratives! Halp?
Obviously, someone had actually slipped her son's journal in her pocket before she was knocked out, back in 1977, and Faraday's footwear fetish was to be explored in a plotline that was unfortunately dropped when the red shoes were arrested for drunk driving in Hawaii (it really is too bad, because it would have also explained why Libby was in that mental health institute).
 
cnizzle06 said:
Oh okay, thanks! I though it was curious how the writers placed so much emphasis on these occurrences what with other characters questioning Locke's ability to do so, but they just must be retarded too! At least that explains their inability to communicate with each other regarding things that happen on the island!

Next question, when Desmond went back in time after the hatch exploded and met Eloise Hawking, how did she know that the individual with the red shoes was going to die?! God, my retarded brain can't comprehend these complex narratives! Halp?
You're seriously being retarded :lol
There was NOT that much emphasis placed on weather. At all. Honestly. Having watched every episode, I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. Weird weather changing was explained by the island moving. Locke being able to sense weather is him being wise and one of the many many people that can do so. Come up with logical criticisms.

Now Eloise is actually a good question. She's a character I wanted to be explained more. The church made her seem like some of her electromagnetic exposure might have given her a sort of flashsideways experience. But I honestly don't know.

BigNastyCurve said:
I'm satisfied with the ending.
 
big ander said:
You're seriously being retarded :lol
There was NOT that much emphasis placed on weather. At all. Honestly. Having watched every episode, I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. Weird weather changing was explained by the island moving. Locke being able to sense weather is him being wise and one of the many many people that can do so. Come up with logical criticisms.

Now Eloise is actually a good question. She's a character I wanted to be explained more. The church made her seem like some of her electromagnetic exposure might have given her a sort of flashsideways experience. But I honestly don't know.

So Locke could anticipate the temporal movements of the island, thus allowing him to foresee future weather patterns! Yay! He sure is wise, god-like even! And I'm not criticizing, I r just confused, and need people like you to fill in the plotholes, scratch that, details.
 
cnizzle06 said:
So Locke could anticipate the temporal movements of the island, thus allowing him to foresee future weather patterns! Yay! He sure is wise, god-like even! And I'm not criticizing, I r just confused, and need people like you to fill in the plotholes, scratch that, details.
Whut
Seriously, stop being retarded.
He couldn't sense the island moving. Again, there are people, IN REAL FUCKING LIFE that can see "oh the clouds are in this form right now and it feels relatively humid, I'm pretty sure a storm is coming." THAT'S IT. THAT'S HOW HE'S RECEPTIVE TO WEATHER. BECAUSE HE KNOWS BASIC BASIC THINGS THAT YOU CAN LEARN AT THE LIBRARY ABOUT WEATHER. The moving island only made the weather change more often. Other than that, he was just LOOKING AT THE SKY.

The wheel was explained to move the island to a much much higher degree. You know, into the PAST.

And cut your pretentious tone you fuckwad. I've had enough of fucking douchebags who think they're so fucking cultured that they have to insult Lost at every fucking point because it's popular. You're goddamn superior attitude makes you an asshole. Shut the fuck up.
 
cnizzle06 said:
So polar bears could go warm up in the Tunisian desert. Doy.
Of course!
I think we're well on our way to finally unravel all the mysteries of Lost.


big ander said:
The wheel was explained to move the island to a much much higher degree. You know, into the PAST.
But it didn't move into the past. People who were on it (but not all of them, I'm sure there were rules for that, too) did.

And cut your pretentious tone you fuckwad. I've had enough of fucking douchebags who think they're so fucking cultured that they have to insult Lost at every fucking point because it's popular. You're goddamn superior attitude makes you an asshole. Shut the fuck up.
At least, you don't sound superior. I'll give you that.
 
big ander said:
Whut
Seriously, stop being retarded.
He couldn't sense the island moving. Again, there are people, IN REAL FUCKING LIFE that can see "oh the clouds are in this form right now and it feels relatively humid, I'm pretty sure a storm is coming." THAT'S IT. THAT'S HOW HE'S RECEPTIVE TO WEATHER. BECAUSE HE KNOWS BASIC BASIC THINGS THAT YOU CAN LEARN AT THE LIBRARY ABOUT WEATHER. The moving island only made the weather change more often. Other than that, he was just LOOKING AT THE SKY.

The wheel was explained to move the island to a much much higher degree. You know, into the PAST.

And cut your pretentious tone you fuckwad. I've had enough of fucking douchebags who think they're so fucking cultured that they have to insult Lost at every fucking point because it's popular. You're goddamn superior attitude makes you an asshole. Shut the fuck up.

What the...?

I don't even...

Jesus man, haha, it's just an expired tv show that I'm picking at. Take it down a few notches! And it's less about his predictions about the weather, and more to the fact that they take effect almost instantaneously. And I'm not entirely sure why you capitalized 'past' as the wheel wasn't only restricted to that. Again, take it easy, your irrationality is unbecoming.
 
cnizzle06 said:
What the...?

I don't even...

Jesus man, haha, it's just an expired tv show that I'm picking at. Take it down a few notches! And it's less about his predictions about the weather, and more to the fact that they take effect almost instantaneously. And I'm not entirely sure why you capitalized 'past' as the wheel wasn't only restricted to that. Again, take it easy, your irrationality is unbecoming.
I'm not being irrational, you ignored my points and made stupid assumptions in a holier-than-thou tone. And with this topic becoming an over and over stalemate when it comes to the same criticisms that were levied in May, I'm getting fucking tired. Your being pompous didn't help that.

I capitalized past to illustrate just how far the wheel made the island move.
 
big ander said:
I'm not being irrational, you ignored my points and made stupid assumptions in a holier-than-thou tone. And with this topic becoming an over and over stalemate when it comes to the same criticisms that were levied in May, I'm getting fucking tired. Your being pompous didn't help that.

I capitalized past to illustrate just how far the wheel made the island move.

C'mon, it was an irrational response. But let's overlook it, you'd think his weather clairvoyance would be a tad fudged when a moving island is introduced into the equation. I don't see how the degree of movement through time is relevant to the debate, but while we're at it, I don't think the island did move to the past, only select people on it. And if the island's always moving, as erigu said, what the heck was the wheel for? OR did the polar bears move the wheel. That's quite the serious task, you gotta hand it to 'em if so. But if it's totally reliant on some unpredictable bears, how can they anticipate where it'll be next? I guess I'm digressing.

Erigu said:
Of course!
I think we're well on our way to finally unravel all the mysteries of Lost.

I'm not sure why you deleted the one portion. It was pretty clever. I was just going to attribute it to the rules saying you can only have one or the other.
 
oatmeal said:
cnizzle doesn't have that 'it' factor that Erigu has.
Erigu will never be topped, as he is actually a smart guy.
Divide and rule? Lost fans have apparently decided to go all Sun Tzu on critics.
This time... it's war.
(by which I mean, there will be an explosion at the end of this season (then again, it's tradition), and possibly some stuff happening in a couple of years from now)
 
Erigu said:
Divide and rule? Lost fans have apparently decided to go all Sun Tzu on critics.
This time... it's war.
(by which I mean, there will be an explosion at the end of this season (then again, it's tradition), and possibly some stuff happening in a couple of years from now)

Something like that.

He won't last like you have, I guarantee it. He will try, and he will continue to put up a poor man's Erigu argument, but they won't stick.
 
oatmeal said:
The important thing is to remember that the story of LOST hinged on Locke knowing it was going to rain.

Oh right, I forgot that Lost actually hinged on any other specific subject addressed in this thread.

oatmeal said:
Something like that.

He won't last like you have, I guarantee it. He will try, and he will continue to put up a poor man's Erigu argument, but they won't stick.

The negative responses to my opposing views...they're...they're pulling me awaaaaaaaaay!!!!!!!
 
cnizzle06 said:
C'mon, it was an irrational response. But let's overlook it, you'd think his weather clairvoyance would be a tad fudged when a moving island is introduced into the equation. I don't see how the degree of movement through time is relevant to the debate, but while we're at it, I don't think the island did move to the past, only select people on it. And if the island's always moving, as erigu said, what the heck was the wheel for? OR did the polar bears move the wheel. That's quite the serious task, you gotta hand it to 'em if so. But if it's totally reliant on some unpredictable bears, how can they anticipate where it'll be next? I guess I'm digressing.
The weather predictions really wouldn't be messed up within that immediate time frame because the island is moving slowly usually.
The wheel tapped directly into the energy of the island, the one that was very ambiguously explained in a way that felt somewhat like a disservice but still gave a satisfying emotional conclusion.
Also, stop being a twat and calling my posts irrational.
 
big ander said:
The weather predictions really wouldn't be messed up within that immediate time frame because the island is moving slowly usually.
The wheel tapped directly into the energy of the island, the one that was very ambiguously explained in a way that felt somewhat like a disservice but still gave a satisfying emotional conclusion.
Also, stop being a twat and calling my posts irrational.

When did they mention that the island moved at a snail's pace? Rationally speaking, I don't recall the freighter having to play a game of catch-up, ya little twatty mc twat twat.

Calcaneus said:
Its the shot in the arm this thread needed. Erigu and Lost-GAF were getting too comfortable with each other.

Eh, I probably won't be here long; just having a slow night :p
 
cnizzle06 said:
did the polar bears move the wheel.
According to the New Man in Charge, yes, they did:
CHANG: Ursus maritimus, or polar bears, possess a keen sense of memory and adaptability. These traits make them ideal candidates for electromagnetic studies that will be conducted at a secondary site where their comfort in cold temp-- [...] After the training is completed, you will tranquilize the bear. Affix this tracking device around the subject's neck. At which point it will be transported to the Orchid station for the next phase of research.
DHARMA sure did a good job of erasing all traces of those experiences, considering what Ben and Locke had to do to reach the wheel...
Then again, DHARMA people apparently just like to hide things:
INMAN: Just make sure you put that back behind Turn of the Screw when you're done with it.
Obviously, that orientation video that tells you how to save the world is highly sensitive and should be kept hidden. From who? Well, who would show up in that hatch and use that information to nefarious ends? Mole Men from Mars, naturally. Damn those guys.

I'm not sure why you deleted the one portion. It was pretty clever.
I checked Lostpedia's "wells" article and realized it was even worse than I remembered. I should probably keep that one for a "Well Special" down the road...


oatmeal said:
He won't last like you have, I guarantee it. He will try, and he will continue to put up a poor man's Erigu argument, but they won't stick.
Did Sun Tzu say anything about trying the exact same tactic twice in a row?
Maybe that's just the Man in Black method: "see, I finally found my loophole! that is to say, the exact same trick as 140 years ago, but I bet you didn't see it coming, huh? ... now, please don't just kick his ass into submission like last time..."
 
Calcaneus said:
Its the shot in the arm this thread needed. Erigu and Lost-GAF were getting too comfortable with each other.
This thread needs to be nuked from space. Please, Electromagnetism, turn the fucking key on this bastard. There's three posts per page that deserve replies. :(
 
UraMallas said:
There's three posts per page that deserve replies. :(
All of them Erigu posts.

Erigu said:
Well, it really isn't that complicated.

For a long time, Jacob lived under the statue because why not.
But then, Horace Goodspeed from the DHARMA Initiative decided to build a cabin. And it was so sweet that Jacob decided to move there, presumably after Horace's death (could it be the reason for the Purge? was Jacob interested in real estate? speculation time!).
The cabin was surrounded by a ring of magical ash (like regular ash, except magical... isn't that all you need to know about it?) as a measure of protection against the Man in Black (of course, it's not like Jacob could be killed by his brother, but hey, maybe he had a cat and didn't feel like turning it into a Man-in-Black-proof candidate).
Chances are Ben knew where the cabin was because he used to come there with Richard (only to be told to stay outside and play in the dirt while the grown-ups are talking, as that is the Leader's Sacred Duty... understandably, Widmore was pissed about having been robbed of that and would plot his revenge for years).
But then, one day, Jacob decided to move back to the statue and aren't we glad we bothered with that cabin in the first place?

At some point during the series, Ben showed the cabin to Locke and pretended Jacob was there and invisible. See, Ben was acting like he knew a great deal about the mysteries of the island and what was going on, but he was actually pretty damn clueless and Locke kept pestering him for answers, so he decided to just come up with some nonsense in order to shut him up for a while. Only dicks would do that, but then again, only extremely gullible people would fall for it, right?
Anyway, the circle of ash had been broken (which makes no sense to me, really: a circle of ash sounds like a perfect barrier and I can't for the life of me imagine how such a thing could have happened, unless there was a windy day or the Man in Black realized he could just blow on it or use some basic tool), and the Man in Black was also there. He pulled some kind of poltergeist act with his seldom-used telekinesis and told Locke "help me". Because that's... beneficial? Well, we should just trust the guy: he's been trying to leave the island for thousands of years, so he probably had his reasons to do apparently random shit like that.
Of course, Ben went "what the f... I mean, yeeeeeah, that was just Jacob, ha ha ha!"

Then, the cabin started moving around.
Hurley stumbled upon it once, and the Man in Black was in it, both as Jack's father and as another figure that gave Hurley a good scare (yes, the Man in Black can also do that). There again, it was all part of the Plan.
Then, Locke had a dream that told him how to find the cabin (just get Horace's map and follow it! after all, how else do you find moving cabins?) in order to talk to Jacob (as said above, Jacob hadn't been using that cabin for a while, so one has to assume that was just yet another of the Man in Black's abilities... and yes, it still took two thousand years for that guy to finally manipulate a sucker into killing Jacob... poor social skills, presumably?). Of course, that wasn't Jacob but the Man in Black, still posing as Jack's father (Claire was there, too, and didn't seem to mind Aaron's absence... possibly drunk?). He told Locke to move the island, because Widmore killing everybody on the island would get in the way of his plans to kill everybody on the island.

Stuff happens, Ilana crashes on the island, sees two Lockes and realizes what's going on. She has to warn Jacob!
As she trained for this her entire life, she immediately comes up with the perfect plan: let's put the corpse of the real Locke in a box and carry it to the cabin, so that Jacob would know what his enemy looks like (because simply saying "like Locke" wouldn't be enough). "But the Man in Black can shapeshift, right?" Not once Jacob's dead, and Ilana knows that. So if you assume the worst case scenario (Jacob is already dead... oh, and the Man in Black looked like Locke when it happened... so let's say "really-quite-bad-yet-somewhat-convenient case scenario"), it makes perfect sense to carry that corpse to Jacob in order to warn him so he wouldn't get killed. I mean, killed even deader. She trained for this her entire life.
But even the best plans have flaws, and how could Ilana know that Jacob had moved back to the statue? Well, okay, Jacob could have told her. But it's not that bad: Ilana finds some tapestry depicting the statue and uses her years of training and playing Resident Evil to immediately deduce that that's where they have to go, now. Phew. Of course, one could consider the code they were using ("what lies in the shadow of the statue?" / "he who will save us all") a pretty big hint already, but nothing's quite as decisive as abandoned bits of tapestry.
And before leaving, they burn the cabin down because... I dunno, maybe they brought marshmallows.

And that's the story of the cabin. Makes sense to me!
LMAO. I think this is my favourite post from you. I'm drowning in sarcasm and i LOVE IT.
 
cnizzle06 said:
When did they mention that the island moved at a snail's pace? Rationally speaking, I don't recall the freighter having to play a game of catch-up, ya little twatty mc twat twat.
They mentioned the island moves slowly after the wheel was turned. I don't remember the exact conversation or what episode.

Anyway, I'm out of this topic.
 
big ander said:
They mentioned the island moves slowly after the wheel was turned. I don't remember the exact conversation or what episode.

Anyway, I'm out of this topic.

You'll be missed, for without you, who else can I look towards for unfounded claims infused with twat-utilization?

Just so I'm clear, the island is always moving through the power of light, but occasionally, when the island needs to travel through time, a highly-trained polar bear makes the trip over to the main island, treks through the jungle to the Orchid station, presumably setting up camp a few times along the way, lowers itself down the well using a pulley system (or maybe takes the hidden elevator, whichever you find more feasible), grabs a hold of the wheel, rotates it, then gets spat out over in Tunisia where it ultimately dies AND all this is foreseeable and can be mathematically tracked through the use of a giant pendulum so that Dharma can have the occasional food pallet drop?

Or does dharma drag the bears over to the well and just dumps their ass overboard?
 
They mentioned that the Island always moves when Jack went to visit Hawking's House of Horros.

It was essentially a "scientific" explanation for why no one could find the Island. Came off pretty dumb IMO.
 
bachikarn said:
They mentioned that the Island always moves when Jack went to visit Hawking's House of Horros.

It was essentially a "scientific" explanation for why no one could find the Island. Came off pretty dumb IMO.


HOW does it come off as dumb?
 
bachikarn said:
They mentioned that the Island always moves when Jack went to visit Hawking's House of Horros.
Yup. Nothing about it moving slowly though, I believe.
There's even some Genuine Urgency around the idea that the good guys shouldn't miss their window or else "God help us all!1!" (because if they don't go back, the Man in Black might... do... something? I dunno).
Of course, Widmore doesn't care about windows. Or Christian's shoes. Or the lighthouse (Jacob: "oh, they'll just find another way... *shrug*"). The plot is on his side.

It was essentially a "scientific" explanation for why no one could find the Island. Came off pretty dumb IMO.
Yup again. And like I said above, what was the point of turning the wheel, then?


EDIT:
I like that one:
CUSE: Alright, Damon, here's a question we've been getting a lot, and this is one of those time travel issues, you know...
LINDELOF: Oh god...
CUSE: Obviously there are many conundrums involving time travel, so let's just get right to the heart of it, and let's address this question. "Hello Darlton, I've been watching 'Follow the Leader' and couldn't help but wonder about Locke's compass. It seems to me that the compass is in this infinite loop, where it's passed between Locke and Richard Alpert. Where did the compass come from? How could it get rustier than when the 50's Locke gave it to the 50's Richard if 2007 Richard gave it to time-skipping Locke hours before 50's Locke started the cycle again? Does the compass eventually degenerate into dust, thus causing a hole in the space-time continuum, or is it that the magic compass will get its own spin-off next year? Love the show, Cindy from Liberty Lake, Washington."
LINDELOF: This is a fascinating question, and one we spent way too much hours in the room discussing, and we do not want to remove the shade of mystery for you guys. All we can say first is that what we have done with the compass was absolutely intentional in terms of sort of the broader themes of the show, but more importantly, there are certain things in mathematics and in time travel, like Fermat's last theorem for example, that are very very difficult to try to explain, they are sort of fascinating puzzles that lack solution, and the compass is one of them. It's purposely perplexing, but also, it has no origin, because if Locke essentially gave it to Alpert, and Alpert gave it to Locke, then where did it come from? And I think the larger question is what is its state of decay, and I think that is an area where we could have called the props department in Hawaii and try to explain what it was we were trying to do, but they would have shot us and basically said "we don't understand, like, does the compass always have to look the same", because the fact of the matter is, Alpert holds on to it for 50 years...
CUSE: Right
LINDELOF: So at a certain point, it degrades, and then...
CUSE: Even if it is in a Möbius loop.
LINDELOF: It is in a Möbius loop. An infinite loop.
CUSE: Yeah.
LINDELOF: So, if you're asking the question "where did the compass come from?", we put this question to you, "which came first, the chicken or the egg?".
CUSE: The idea that it is in a Möbius loop is a very intentional motif that we are executing here, and again I think that one of the challenges of Lost is, for us is that, y'know, we believe in a large quotient of mystery and magic in the world, and it is not our intention to demystify the world of Lost by over-explaining things. And the fact that the compass magically exists between these two characters, we think is just a cool piece of sort of mystery. And magic.
Er... Yeah, Cindy, we, like, totally knew about that. We completely understand that kind of stuff (unlike the guys at the props department: really nice folks, but a bit simple, y'know). In fact, we spent hours talking about it... until we decided that, yup, we should really have Richard say something that would highlight how our gratuitous time loop doesn't work ("You still have that compass I gave you?" "A little rusty, but she can still find north."). It just seemed like the right thing to do!
And of course, that was absolutely intentional and thematically relevant. We won't tell you how because we don't want to ruin the mystery for you.
Also, "Fermat's last theorem". And "Möbius loop", you guys! Do you even know what those are? We totally do. You're in good hands.
(yup, apparently, for Lindelof and Cuse, a Möbius loop is an infinite loop... because regular loops can't be infinite? nope, because that sounds so fucking smart... they're trying so hard...)

And also that one:
LINDELOF: Hi Damon and Carlton! I'm loving season 5. My question is about Charlotte. Now this is a good question, we've been asked a couple of times now so let's get serious and use the podcast to straighten up the record. In "LaFleur", we are lead to believe Faraday sees a young Charlotte in the Dharma barracks in 1974, but this is impossible because Charlotte wasn't born until 1979. And I think they're referring to "Confirmed Dead", Carlton, when Benjamin Linus lists all these things off about Charlotte Staples Lewis including where she was born. He gives her date of birth as 1979, that's what this Laura K. from Lansing is writing. So what's the deal?! Hallucination, weird time travel or did you just screw up, Carlton?
CUSE: Um, no. We didn't really just screw up but what happened basically was the actress, Rebecca Mader, who we cast in this part, was younger than the character we originally we conceived. And she did not want to brand herself as being 37, which I think is what she would have had to been if we had stuck to that original birth date. So--
LINDELOF: Yeah, in the script it said 1970. '70 was the--
CUSE: Or '71, something.
LINDELOF: '70 or '71.
CUSE: And basically she took it upon herself to readjust the birth date on the set.
LINDELOF: Yes, Rebecca Mader. That was her... one of the first scenes she shot, actually.
CUSE: Yeah.
LINDELOF: And she basically said, "I wasn't born in 1970, I was born in 1979".
CUSE: "So I'm gonna make it 1979".
LINDELOF: Yeah, not thinking like we pay any attention to dates on this show. 'Cause we're certainly not going to call down to Hawaii and say "oh, but they're going to be time traveling next year and after your character dies, this is going to be a very important fact". So it got changed and in the editing room, we probably should have said...we should have caught it but we didn't.
CUSE: Yeah, so then we ended up kind of owning that and then we realized, you know, we had to stick to our mythology and that was sort of in the category of tolerable errors. But good for you, you did pick up on that.
LINDELOF: It's a screw up. Charlotte was born in 1970.
Obviously we don't want our viewers to realize we're just making shit up as we go. Let's blame the actress.
... Too bad she heard about it and denied she changed anything: that's just how it was in the script. Whoops.
Well, let's make more shit up as a way of damage control:
By way of explanation, here's what happened:
There were a gazillion questions about the timeline discrepancy in that young Charlotte clearly exists in 1974, but wasn't supposed to be born until 1979, per a single line of dialogue courtesy of Ben back in episode #402. When we inquired as to how this happened, the intel came back that we used Rebecca Mader's birthday, July 2, 1979 because she was actually eight years YOUNGER than the character as originally conceived/scripted. We misremembered this as having come from Rebecca herself on the set, but in fact, it came several days earlier when our continuity expert Gregg Nations pointed it out and suggested using Rebecca's actual birthday for Charlotte. And so, the mistake was OURS. Rebecca's production draft DID have the date as being 1979.

Our first mistake was the timeline gaffe, but the much more significant one was wrapping Rebecca up in this when she had nothing to do with it. Not her fault on any level. It was our bad. One hundred percent. We will say as much in a very special "Eating Crow" edition of our Podcast tomorrow. Speaking of which, what a wonderful world we live in where we can make a comment in a Podcast that triggers a response on someone's Facebook page and that triggers a mea culpa on someone else's blog. Ah, technology.
Yeah, so we totally knew where we were going with that, but we decided to change the character's birth date (thus introducing a big fat plot hole) on a whim anyway, and then, we somehow got utterly confused and thought it was her who threw a tantrum about that on the set, and it was so vivid that we felt perfectly comfortable with telling the whole story on our podcast, and boy, what an unfortunate misunderstanding. That makes sense, right? I mean, those things happen all the time, don't they?
(also, Rebecca Mader was born on April 24, not July 2 like her character, but never mind that, I guess...)
(they also tried to explain in a later podcast ( http://ll.media.abc.com/podcast/aud...fb4b4-2a91-41f0-8835-1fa91dd5d586_2056151.mp3 ) that when they were auditioning for that role, they were actually bringing in actresses in their late 30s / early 40s and Mader was just too young, so they felt like they had to change the date (and yet somehow still "stick to their mythology" and have her show up as a kid years before her birth? that makes a lot of sense!)... but then again, the actual casting call said "late 20s" ( http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2007/08/full-casting-information-on-russel-and.html ), and before the season 5 premiere, they also said that Kristen Bell, of all people, was their first choice for Charlotte ( http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid8541540001/bclid8605745001/bctid8633832001 ), soooo... so much bullshit, make it stop!)


How does one defend those two clowns? Seriously.
They're full of shit, guys! They've always been full of shit. They're pretentious, classless charlatans. And you've been had. Simple as that.
 
Erigu is far too invested in this. I can't imagine making a post that long about, say, Avatar, no matter how much I hated it. But this is like, his 200th post.
 
I will just say to anyone out there in the universe who hasn't seen Lost:

Start at Season 1, continue through seasons until you hear the words "We have to go baaaack!!!". Full stop. Take the DVD out and just assume they never finished the series.
 
BigNastyCurve said:
I will just say to anyone out there in the universe who hasn't seen Lost:

Start at Season 1, continue through seasons until you hear the words "We have to go baaaack!!!". Full stop. Take the DVD out and just assume they never finished the series.
Aw, I liked Season 4. 5+6 I could pretty much take or leave at this point minus a few highlights, although I enjoyed watching them at the time.
 
Erigu said:
Well, judging by the circle jerk that's been going on, there's a lot of work to be done.
I know, it sickens me that more people that disliked a show that ended nearly a year ago aren't taking the time to come and critique it.
 
evil solrac v3.0 said:
hey look everybody, the troll made another post! please sir, tell us how else we've been wrong.
Good news: that's what I've been doing. Now, you just need to (finally) learn to read.
(still no answer, I suppose?)


butter_stick said:
I know, it sickens me that more people that disliked a show that ended nearly a year ago aren't taking the time to come and critique it.
Yep, sorry, I keep forgetting that you can't criticize a work of fiction when it's been out for almost a year already. Of course, it would help if Lost fans could finally come up with some precise rules for all that (I suppose reminiscing about how great the show was is perfectly fine even one year later, for example?), but ha ha, "precise rules", who am I kidding.


zankara said:
We are not allowed to enjoy the show?
Of course you are. But if you think the showrunners weren't making random, inconsistent, pretentious and even sometimes downright questionable shit up as they went, I'm afraid you're wrong. Just letting you know.
 
bachikarn said:
Because they way she said it was cheesy as fuck.
Gotta love how Hawking always has to emphasize or make puns on the word "time", even if it tends to be completely gratuitous or nonsensical:
ELOISE: Well, this fellow presumed, and correctly, as it turned out, that the Island was always moving. Why do you think you were never rescued? Now while the movements of the Island seem random, this man and his team created a series of equations which tell us, with a high degree of probability, where it is going to be at a certain point... in time. Windows, as it were, that while open, provide a route back. Unfortunately, these windows don't stay open for very long. Yours closes... in 36 hours.
See that dramatic pause? "A certain point... in time!" Oooooh...
I mean, the island moving around was fairly pedestrian stuff, but a time window? Gee, now, that's mind-bending, indeed.
 
It's funny, throughout the first five seasons I was always in the "Jack > Locke" camp. But now that it's all over, I find myself more and more identifying with, and appreciating, John Locke as a character. Now, to me, he personifies what the show is all about.

Solo was right all along :)
 
I'm doing my thousandth rewatch right now because it's the end of January and this is when it would have come back and yesIhaveaproblemshutup.

But does anyone else feel that season 2 is agonizingly slow? I never minded it as much before, but this time around I'm getting kind of impatient. Enough with the hatch! Enough WAAAALLLLLLT! Just let me see that amazing Desmond flashback episode, please.

Also, I forgot how drastically Claire's character changed about midway through season 1. She was so bright and sunny and for the rest of the show she became kind of sulky and distant. I miss pre-Ethan Claire!
 
Montresor said:
The circumstances of his death choke me up.
Especially considering we don't know why Ben bothered to intervene.
Nor why Locke was so desperate to bring everybody back in the first place. Where did he get that idea?
LOCKE: Goodbye, James, Juliet, Miles... I'll see you when I get back.
JIN: No! Stop! You don't bring Sun back.
LOCKE: No, I have to bring them all back, that's... that's how it works.
JIN: [Incredulous] How you know?
LOCKE: I... I just know.
"The writers told me I had to!"
 
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