I was saying that based on brandonh83's theory that Jacob was the one who put the cork there in the first place (which would imply he was resistant to magical electromagnetism).Merguson said:Jacob can't uncork the Island because he needs an unique resistance to electromagnetism
Would he?and say even if he did, he would lose his protector status.
So, when all those people talked about the end of the world... it was really a matter of "if he leaves, he might talk, people might find the island, somebody might mess with the heart of the island, and that would kill everybody (eventually? it apparently takes some time)!"?why does Jacob not want MiB to leave the Island? Simply put, knowledge of the Island
Just cork it back again. 'Turned out to be as simple as that, conveniently enough.Obviously, leaving the Island uncorked would bring dire consequences
Still going from the theory that Jacob was the one who built the whole cork thing in the first place... Jacob again? He'd have to be pretty resistant to all that mojo in the first place, so...If Desmond could be unconscious when uncorking the Island, then who's going to plug it?
You're welcome, but I wished you'd pay more attention:Zeliard said:Darlton didn't have great plans for them, but they should have stuck to their guns and kept them... because, well, because of something, certainly.
Well, thanks for providing the link.
So yeah. I didn't really have a problem with the introduction of Nikki and Paolo.Me said:Really, if anything, it wasn't so weird how those two characters suddenly showed up in the front of the camera and started talking: it was weird how all those other castaways were being so damn mute and irrelevant. :lol
brandonh83 said:Rewatching LAX.
Two things--
Jack is gripping the armrest during the turbulence.
Rose: It's okay. You can let go now.
Bernard comes back from the restroom.
Rose: I missed you.
Definitely tells me that Rose had already been awakened, and that she died long before Bernard.
Blader5489 said:She could have simply recovered her memories before Bernard did, I don't think that means she died long before he did.
Willy105 said:I think the OP should have a link to every single Lost episode thread made on NeoGAF.
It's a blast reading those, and it helps those watching the show for the first time to see how others reacted on theories.
Jtwo said:Well, there was already that recap thread, just copy that!
Erigu said:You're welcome, but I wished you'd pay more attention:
So yeah. I didn't really have a problem with the introduction of Nikki and Paolo.
The part you quoted was just me having little faith in the writers overall (as in, I personally doubt they really had great plans for them anyway). That's another matter altogether.
Thank you for your comprehension?
Erigu said:Well, the characters had barely done anything anyway, right? The way I see it, it was more of a knee-jerk reaction from the fanbase: "we've never seen those guys! where do they come from anyway?!"
I think a writer shouldn't bother with that kind of reaction and stick to his guns, if he knows he has some great stuff for those characters in his sleeve. ... Not that I believe Darlton had great plans for those two anyway, here, so, y'know...
disappeared said:Or how about taking your own goddamned advice and ignore threads about shows you don't like? Is that feasible? You're a mod, so it comes with the territory that you hand out bans to people over in Gaming who go into threads dissing games just for the sake of it. I get it that you don't like the show, you've reiterated that time and time again in almost every Lost thread. So how about ignoring this one? Could you try that?
C'mon, duckroll, do it. Ban me. Ban me for challenging your hypocritical train of thought.
Jtwo said:http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=393910
Yeahhhh! Recap thread!
BenjaminBirdie said:I was thinking about it. It's a lot of work, but it would be really lovely.
EliCash said:ahh Lost... I've missed you so much.
Might have to start my re-watch sooner than expected.
Zeliard said:Are Cuse & Lindelof sticking together for the next project, or going their separate ways?
BenjaminBirdie said:Get the box, man. It's such a gamechanger.
I'm sure they're sick of each other. I can sense it.Zeliard said:Are Cuse & Lindelof sticking together for the next project, or going their separate ways?
Erigu said:I was saying that based on brandonh83's theory that Jacob was the one who put the cork there in the first place (which would imply he was resistant to magical electromagnetism).
Would he?
I mean, it would kinda make sense, seeing how the MiB lost his powers (but got to keep his fake Locke body instead of simply vanishing, which was a sweet deal after all), that the protector would lose his powers as well... but wouldn't that mean Hurley merely drank some mud?
So, when all those people talked about the end of the world... it was really a matter of "if he leaves, he might talk, people might find the island, somebody might mess with the heart of the island, and that would kill everybody (eventually? it apparently takes some time)!"?
Because... Well, other people have left the island before, and it didn't seem that big of a deal.
Just cork it back again. 'Turned out to be as simple as that, conveniently enough.
Still going from the theory that Jacob was the one who built the whole cork thing in the first place... Jacob again? He'd have to be pretty resistant to all that mojo in the first place, so...
Like I said, I didn't really have one. But lots of people did, obviously. That's what we were talking about, remember?Zeliard said:Nobody is or was talking about your problem with the "introductions."
I'm sure it wasn't just their introductions that was problematic, yeah. But I also don't think we've seen much of the characters themselves, until their farewell episode...It wasn't just the way the characters were introduced that was the problem - it was the characters themselves as a whole.
Well, yeah?1) a writer shouldn't care about fan reaction and should stick to his guns and keep those characters, but
2) i don't believe the writers had great plans for those two characters anyway
I wasn't criticizing the fact they got rid of the characters. As said above, I doubted anything great would come out of those two characters, just like I doubted anything great would come out of Caesar and Ilana ('certainly didn't expect Caesar to get killed off so unceremoniously though, that's got to be some kind of a record!). So you certainly won't see me crying over that "loss".You're literally the only person I have ever seen attempt to criticize the writers for writing Nikki and Paolo out.
Erigu said:No, what I was criticizing was:
1) The idea that it's perfectly normal - no, advised, even - to let a knee-jerk reaction from the fans tell a writer where the story should go. Again, it may not have mattered here because the writers were hacks anyway, but I take exception to the idea itself. It's another one of those shitty "storytelling lessons from Master Lindelof and Master Cuse", as far as I'm concerned, and those seriously irk me.
Erigu said:2) The way they got rid of the characters, if they really thought they were a failure. They didn't have to kill them off, let alone take an entire episode for that. They were supposed to be previously unnoticed red shirts who suddenly had some lines, and they could have gone back to just that. Going as far as to kill them off felt gratuitous (like many deaths on the series, really) and pandering to the fanbase.
Salmonax said:![]()
Always loved this shot from the opening montage of the finale. And on an unrelated note, Locke's monologue about Mousetrap way back when seems more poignant retrospectively given what ultimately happened to him.
threenote said:Bah posting in this thread seems futile.
BenjaminBirdie said:That whole opening sequence of The End.
That's when I knew Lost was awesome forever.
Salmonax said:
I agree.Merguson said:That's a big pretty assumption that Jacob did construct the cork.
('guess those never magically resurfaced like MiB's corpse and Jack did, for some reason)we do see remains of unfortunate people in the cave.
He can't?Jacob may be able to influence people to not enter but he can't really stop them physically.
Well, if Jacob died, I guess that means Hurley can die too...I thought the protector's powers would be gone considering MiB loses his as well, plus we see Hurley in the afterlife too.
It does seem possible that was the "job" Hurley was referring to...from that Epilogue, Walt was to be the future protector of the Island.
'Could be because Hurley wasn't "really" the protector, but 'could also be because Walt's "special-ness" makes him the perfect man for the job...Why need Walt to be the future protector of the Island if Hurley is going to be immortal anyways
Widmore and Eloise, for starters. Widmore, in particular, seemed pretty pissed. So why would the MIB get the special "he can't leave the island, it's faaaaar too dangerous! if word of the island gets out, it's the end of the world! kill it with fire!" treatment, whereas Widmore was simply sent away on a sub?What other people?
Whereas I guess the smoke monster would probably be more convincing, being a smoke monster and all... But why would he tell anybody about the island?I knew the Others have left the Island before but it's not like a group of random people is going to convince the world there's this magical island with a smoke monster roaming about.
What can I say? 'Guess we just disagree about that! :lolZeliard said:The reason it didn't matter here isn't because the writers are what you feel as "hacks", but rather that the writers had already realized their mistake.
I dunno. Good for them if they weren't, I guess. It just seemed to me they were completely pandering to the audience on that one. And proud of it, too, especially with that "let's take an entire episode to have regulars make meta "who?" comments about them before killing them off in a sadistic way!" thing.Damon and Lindelof have already noted that they themselves didn't like the characters at first, so when the fan reaction came, they truly knew they had made an error.
They weren't responding 100% to fan reaction
Well, in this particular case, it's Lost, and like I said... Yeah. I doubt we missed out on much anyway.frankly even if they were, that would have been a positive thing in this particular case.
It's really about the fact we're talking about characters that had barely done anything yet... That's why I'm talking about a knee-jerk reaction (Lindelof said "people hated the characters before they even opened their mouths because it felt like they were crashing the party", and that has to be one of the very, very rare instances where I'd agree with the guy), but I guess your mileage may vary...You shouldn't let the fans control your entire show or direct where it goes, but if nearly all of them hate something that you're doing, you should probably take a look at it. I really don't see how that's a legitimate criticism at all.
You blood-thirsty lot. :lolWhy did you feel killing them off was "gratuitous"? It's just the norm. Whenever a contract for an actor ends on a show, or they're let go or leave for whatever reason, that character is frequently literally killed off on the show. This goes with everything from Lost to your basic hospital drama.
As you can see, that's not what I got out of it... ^^;The writers simply decided they'd have a bit of fun with it. It was their way of owning up to their mistake, so they had sort of a dark humor-heavy episode centered around Nikki and Paolo. It's preferable, I think, for writers to put their egos aside and be able to admit when they did something wrong.
Zeliard said:Are Cuse & Lindelof sticking together for the next project, or going their separate ways?
Damn, that is an awesome shot. Kinda creepy too, considering.Salmonax said:![]()
Always loved this shot from the opening montage of the finale. And on an unrelated note, Locke's monologue about Mousetrap way back when seems more poignant retrospectively given what ultimately happened to him.
Hey, I feel you. But still...Nameless said:pretty much..
I'm done. Greatest show of all-time but not thinking about it has actually been sorta refreshing. There really is nothing until left to say the inevitable re-watch.
Oh, and dick move closing the other thread right before 15k, too..
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KevinCow said:So when is everyone planning on doing their rewatch? I honestly have no idea when I'm gonna do it, or how.
KevinCow said:So when is everyone planning on doing their rewatch? I honestly have no idea when I'm gonna do it, or how.
Good for Damon. Dude's got a bright future.gdt5016 said:Lindelof is working up quite the resume. He's writing/producing Star Trek II, wrote Cowboys and Aliens, and is writng the new Alien movie.
Cuse hasn't really announced/released his next step, so I guess we'll see.
I'd think they'd want to do stuff separately, at least for bit. They were attached at the hip for something like 6/7 years.
I wonder if they still do weekly breakfast, now that they can't do it daily :lol .
Something like that. Not too soon.Blader5489 said:September 22, 2014
BenjaminBirdie said:CHRIST that Bail Out gif is the biggest gif on the entire internet. DEFINITELY quote it, please, thanks!
WyndhamPrice said:Inadvertently started my rewatch this week with a friend who's never seen the show before. Halfway through S1! Feels good man.
brandonh83 said:Any cool details that hit you after knowing the whole story?
WyndhamPrice said:Nothing major as at that point in S1 the mythology hasn't really kicked into gear, but a lot of the black/white symbolism and dialogue makes me smirk knowing what I know now.
brandonh83 said:Yeah there's definitely that :lol