Drealmcc0y said:
He put it around the cabin because it was a private place where he handed over lists etc that he didnt want MiB to get access. Ive already said this! He didnt put it around his home because he had no need to.
According to the Lost Encyclopedia, Jacob did live in that cabin. But let's say he didn't, and simply used it as a meeting point for Richard (who somehow knew when to come?)...
Why did he eventually stop using that cabin? The circle was broken? Fix it. Big deal. Or did they have no need for privacy anymore, at that point?
Right she broke the circle and got the ball rolling for Dogen to be killed.
She didn't break the circle: she merely crossed it. And the Others didn't even seem to consider the possibility that she (an agent of Barry's) could do that, when she visited them.
And of course, the show was vague as hell about how the temple was protected exactly: the ashes? Dôgen? Dôgen "powered" the ashes? What?
Well I guess it was told by Jacob to Illana that if you ever come to the island meet me at the meeting point(cabin).
Despite him not having lived there, according to you? Wouldn't it be more convenient to meet him "at home"?
And really, it seems a bit odd that the woman who "trained for that her entire life" wouldn't even know where to find Jacob. He entrusted her with her island mission when there were 6 candidates left, i.e. after Kate's name was crossed out, i.e. after Ben decided to put on a show for Locke, i.e. when the cabin was already "compromised". How did she not know about that last detail?
Especially considering the "shadow of the statue" password those people were using? Just how dumb are all those characters?
Turns out the cabin was compromised.
Or put less dramatically, Jacob didn't bother to fix that circle and just stopped using the cabin because... well,
because.
Ben is the master manipulator?
He's portrayed as one, yes.
lol no, while yes he was a good one, Barry turned out to be better.
They both came up with ludicrously contrived plans that made no fucking sense and only succeeded because the writers were on their side and logic was taking another long coffee break.
Right, Bens plan backfired. Was it the best fucking plan in the world? no, whats your point?
That, far from being the best plan in the world, it was downright terrible, and certainly not something you'd expect from a character who is,
yes, supposed to be a master manipulator. It's shitty writing. But then again, it's also an obvious, clumsy retcon.
WELL OBVIOUSLY FUCKING NOT BECAUSE HIS RICHARD PLAN FAILED.
Please focus.
The second attempt on Jacob's life didn't succeed because Barry's second plan was better in any way. It succeeded because Jacob (for some reason) let himself get stabbed. That wasn't Barry's doing.
Right up to Jacob's suicidal behavior, Barry's second plan had achieved the exact same thing as the first plan: it sent a pissed-off dude with a dagger to Jacob... except it was
a lot more convoluted (absurdly so, even).
That actually makes it a
worse plan.
Especially considering it's the exact same loophole he tried 100+ years earlier, and Jacob thus already knew about it (despite what the "Well, you found your loophole. -Indeed I did. " exchange seemed to imply, another indication that the writers hadn't planned nearly as much as they'd like their viewers to believe).
He had to pull the strings, get Ben mad at Jacob.
He did the same thing with Richard. And again, he could have done that with any sucker rather easily, considering all the abilities he had at his disposal. There was no reason to come up with a such an absurdly convoluted plan.
Not to mention MiB was in the body of a man Ben had killed and in Dead is Dead MiB made Ben guilty as fuck about killing Locke.
Just like he took the appearance of Richard's wife (
somehow).
Its a fucking genius plan
It's actually absurd, and you'd see that if you bothered to think a bit about it.
Ben: Why didnt he fight back? why did let me just kill him?
MiB: I guess he knew he was beaten
Another quote that doesn't explain anything. Why would he be "beaten"
then? Why not back with Richard?
This is as if I asked you what the deal was with that monster summoning device Ben used in season 4 and you simply replied "it's where I was told I could summon the monster; that's before I realized that it was the one summoning me": it doesn't help at all.
Jacob told Ben the truth.... "What about you"
Oh, please... He could have set the record straight, explained that Locke wasn't really Locke, but he just provoked the guy instead.
Who ELSE would he think this mysterious person who was shaking the cabin was?
Point is, he doesn't find it odd at all that it just happens to fit with the lie he concocted for Locke. He even addresses Jacob: "that's enough, you've had your fun!"
It all points at things being exactly what they're said to be on the podcast and in the commentary quoted earlier:
that's what Jacob was, back then: some kind of weird invisible technophobe, apparently trapped in a cabin by some ashes. That would also be why Richard inquires about what Locke saw, upon Ben's return.
I said he realised Hurley was the perfect candidate months after they come to the island. Hurley passed the test.
So there's a "test", now...
he didnt approach Hurley because he never approaches anybody.
Except when he does...
And why didn't he do that earlier? Because the show wasn't ending yet, of course. Yay.
Well thats the debate Catalix has. Is Jacob truly a man of free will and pure of heart? No it turns out he is just a man. A man who is not perfect.
He's a criminally moronic asshole. And the show portrays him as wise.
Well warned about opening the hatch, because of all the bad stuff that would happen down there like his dad murdering two people
Why,
of course...
And what about the bad stuff that would happen if they
didn't open the hatch?
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