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[Erigu]

I interpret casting info differently from casting call.

Hey, you know what? I did some digging, and maybe you were right about that not exactly being a casting call, as those characters were apparently something of an exception!
...
Not that it helps your case any, I'm afraid...

According to this, the "freighter characters" were actually "tailor-made" for those specific actors... except Charlotte, as they actually had Kristen Bell in mind, for her.
They explain that they approached Bell for the role, she turned them down, and then there was a casting process (and that's where Mader came in).

You can actually crosscheck that stuff online and come up with a timeline...
This was posted on August 6.
Two days later, Michael Ausiello reported that they were interested in getting Bell for the role. Three days later, on August 11, he explained that Bell had been contacted during the week and turned the offer down (plus an update on August 12).
And finally, on August 23, Mader was said to be on board.

So that description predates Mader's involvement. The idea that the character was fairly young was there from the beginning, even before Kristen Bell said no, even before there was any actual casting process.

It all fits nicely.

And yet you'd rather believe the showrunners when they talk about bringing in actresses in their late 30s / early 40s, and "damn, Mader, you're way younger than what we had in mind, but okay!".
You'd rather believe them when they can't even give a coherent explanation as to how they came up with Charlotte's birth date.
You'd rather believe them when they explain that it was their idea to change the year of birth to 1979, a change that would later introduce a big fat inconsistency, despite their claiming less than a week before that "c'mon, like we don't pay attention to those things! it's just that we didn't catch it in time, or we'd have fixed that!".
You'd rather believe them when this new (quite messy, to say the least) version replaces a vivid account of some on-set drama that never fucking happened.

No alarm bells, there? Nothing, really?

 

[BuggyDClown]

Fuck. This show is just so awesome.

Each episode closer to the finale it gets better and better. I just can't wait for it. My cousin is absolutely loving it, so awesome watching with a first timer.

Only 2 episodes left before the series finale. He has no idea what awesomeness awaits him with a cross the sea. Its game changing.

Also Season 6 jack is so badass, he is just such an awesome character. Desmond was always my favorite, but he never had enough time on screen for me, overall jack might be the best developed most badass awesome person on the show.

Jack is the shit. Also the scene with Sun and Jin passing always gets me. So close to the finale, only two days away before he and I finish.

 

[C.Dark.DN]

Doesn't really fit well.

The August 6th information actually appears to be a casting call:

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20313460_20053863,00.html
Gotcha. Now, another thing: Over the past couple weeks, we've seen casting call descriptions of some of the characters you're casting — there's ''Russell,'' a ''brilliant mathematician,'' and ''Charlotte,'' a ''successful academic,'' and ''Arthur Stevens,'' a ''ruthless corporate recruiter.'' Are these accurate names or summaries? Because I've been told that they are not to be taken at face value, and really only serve as rough ideas of what you want.
DL: Your assessment is more or less correct, though I'd rather not say how much more or how much less.
CARLTON CUSE: We actually [have] the actors read fake [scenes] and give them fake character names because those casting [pages] travel so widely, there's no way to maintain secrecy. So we basically have to come up with fake but analogous scenes that will show us qualities of an actor but won't give away what the role is. So yes, the stuff out there is not totally accurate.
DL: In fact, only one of the character names that has gotten out there is literally accurate.

Which messes your timeline up if the casting call was supposedly after Bell.

And was it really even after Bell?

http://www.tvguide.com/news/Lost-Newbie-to-8462.aspx

There was a bit of a media frenzy over the summer surrounding the casting of your role - due, in large part, to Kristen Bell turning it down. Did you follow all that?

Mader: [ Laughs] I didn't know when I was going through the whole audition process. It wasn't until after I got the job that I heard those rumors. Friends of mine would say, "Kristen Bell was up for your part and turned it down." And I'm like, " Did she?"

http://lostmediamentions.blogspot.com/2007/10/bell-says-she-was-not-offered-role-on.html
Kristen Bell was part of a conference call today discussing her role on Heroes and when questioned about what happened with LOST? She said she was never offered a role.
"I had been spoken to about possibly doing a role on Lost, but I was not offered one."

It's also interesting to note that she apparently didn't know anything about the August 6th casting call info:

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Lostpedia_Interview:Rebecca_Mader
Lostpedia: Many of the stars who joined the show with you were cast with false lines and false character names (Jeremy Davies auditioned for the part of "Russell"). What lines did you read when auditioning, and what were you told about the character you were auditioning for?

I auditioned with a fake flashback for Charlotte. I was only told that she was supposed to be like a female version of Indiana Jones.

They blatantly messed up on Mader's real birthday in their apology, something that should be an easy fact to not make a mistake on. You can't lie about a birthday. Mader apparently accepted their apology and returned in the final season. The production is large and spans years. If they messed up on her birthday they could have easily also mixed up things when they said 30s-40s. But, there's no proof that they didn't consider 30 or 40's at some point before early August.

 

[Mike Works]

Did they ever explain what Jack's tattoos represented?

 

[Locke_211]

I think possibly the best bit of plotting in the series - and definitely in Season 6 - is Juliet's 'it worked' in 6x01. Then we spend the whole season wondering how exactly her plan worked and whether or not that means the other scenes are actually set in the parallel universe created by the bomb working. It turns out that because she's dying, she's slipping in and out of the afterlife and so she was talking about the vending machine we see in the finale. That's brilliantly done.

 

[dc89]

Did they ever explain what Jack's tattoos represented?

鷹 击 長 空

In the show it means: "He walks amongst us, but he is not one of us"
Character for character IRL it means: "The eagles fly upon the sky" or "Eagles strike the wide sky"
But literally it means: "Eagles high, cleaving sky"

It's took from a Mao poem - Ch'ang-sha.

But his actual tattoo is WRONG. One of the characters in it are wrong.

His tattoo is: 鷹击長空

Correct simplified is: 鹰击长空

Correct traditional is: 鷹擊長空

The rest of that tattoo is a mystery. Another fail imo.

Read more about his tattoo's here: http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Jack's_tattoos

 

[Erigu]

The August 6th information actually appears to be a casting call

I agree, which is why I called it that in the first place.
But then, the showrunners said they offered those roles to specific actors, so if we're to believe them... Looks like those were more like "character descriptions" after all (might explain why there's nothing about the ethnicity they're interested in?)?
After Bell said no, maybe Charlotte's description was then recycled into an actual casting call (by which I mean, used for an actual casting process), but...?

(it seems Lindelof and Cuse are talking about how they handle casting in general, in that quote... the question was just citing some examples, and one of them isn't even part of the freighter pack we were talking about ("Arthur Stevens" = Abaddon))

Kristen Bell was part of a conference call today discussing her role on Heroes and when questioned about what happened with LOST? She said she was never offered a role.
"I had been spoken to about possibly doing a role on Lost, but I was not offered one."

... Wait. What's the difference? ^^;

But I'm not sure what it is you're arguing, now...
That maybe Bell was never offered the role after all (so the showrunners... lied about that in that video I linked earlier? I certainly wouldn't argue that's impossible! I just find it a bit odd, in this particular instance, considering other sources reported on that at the time), so maybe they never really had anybody in mind for Charlotte in the first place, so it was a regular casting process, and maybe Mader was already involved in early August, so maybe that character description saying "late 20s" actually reflected Mader's age... which would also mean that description wasn't really a casting call like you argued it was in the beginning of your post... and you lost me, sorry.
Could you clarify a bit? What's your theory as to what happened?

It's also interesting to note that she apparently didn't know anything about the August 6th casting call info

Just because she says "I was only told that she was supposed to be like a female version of Indiana Jones" in that interview, it doesn't necessarily mean that literally was all she was told at the time or that she didn't read that description at some point (would you expect her to quote everything verbatim?): it could just as well be what she remembers of her overall impression of the character, based on what little info she had at the time...

If they messed up on her birthday they could have easily also mixed up things when they said 30s-40s. But, there's no proof that they didn't consider 30 or 40's at some point before early August.

What we do have is a character description / casting call / whatever you want to call it now that said "late 20s", two actresses that definitely weren't in their late 30s / early 40s, and a script that said "1979".
Now, you're arguing that there might be some kind of dead angle in there where the character was (briefly? very early on?) supposed to be quite a bit older, but I'm not seeing any trace of that. Do you?

And of course, there would be other stuff I mentioned and you haven't commented on...
How the fuck do you get this shit so wrong that you actually end up describing some on-set drama that never happened (and dissing one of your actresses in the process, but that's another matter) on your podcast?
How the fuck do you go from "yeah, we didn't catch that fuck-up in time, or we would have corrected it, obviously, since we already knew that it would be important in the following season and we naturally pay attention to our dates, duh" to "as it turns out, we decided to change the character's birth date to 1979, actually... and then, we had Charlotte show up as a kid in 1974, yes... what? problem?"?

I think possibly the best bit of plotting in the series - and definitely in Season 6 - is Juliet's 'it worked' in 6x01. Then we spend the whole season wondering how exactly her plan worked and whether or not that means the other scenes are actually set in the parallel universe created by the bomb working. It turns out that because she's dying, she's slipping in and out of the afterlife and so she was talking about the vending machine we see in the finale. That's brilliantly done.

They landed on their feet with that one, which is rather unusual for them.

A somewhat similar but less successful example would be Jack's "nothing is irreversible" to Locke in the season premiere, which just screamed "just like the mysterious paper cut on the neck, you'll have to wait until the end of the season to see that Jack got that particular nugget of wisdom from the island timeline! we're, like, foreshadowing and all, you guys! this shit will blow your minds, in a few months! (well, if we land on our feet, that is)".
My immediate reaction was: "yeah, sounds like the kind of line that would be spoken toward the end, when the on-island characters evoke or hint at the existence of an island-free timeline with less drama and death, and presumably fight for it to pass, or some shit like that (basically retconning/sacrificing their messy island timeline in the process)". "Nothing is irreversible: we're going to reboot the hell out of our timeline to resurrect our dead friends!" (-> cue the flashsideways)
And I still believe that's what the writers were really gunning for in the beginning (before they changed their mind and came up with some weird "afterlife" bullshit): alternate timelines. Hence those short videos (remember how Kate wasn't wanted for the murder of her father, that time around, for example? the show sure didn't go anywhere with that in the end, huh?) and this interview.
But so they changed their mind (and had Desmond (wrongly) believe in the original version), and as a result, the "nothing is irreversible" line was orphaned. What the fuck do you do with that shit now that it doesn't apply anymore? Do you just forget about it, or...
... Yeah, you could also give it to Kate in the finale, so she'd have something to say during one of those island treks:

KATE: Why did you take the job, Jack?
JACK: Because I was supposed to.
KATE: Why? Because some stranger wrote our names on a wall?
JACK: I took it because the island's all I’ve got left. It's the only thing in my life I haven't managed to ruin.
KATE: You haven't ruined anything. Nothing is irreversible.

"Oh, right. Should we go back to the beach and raise Jin and Sun from the dead, then?
No?
Then shut up, Kate. Thanks."
Yeah, it's not like anybody would care about that line, now, naturally... It doesn't mean much of anything, in this new context.

The rest of that tattoo is a mystery. Another fail imo.

What a weird idea it was to try and do something with Matthew Fox's tattoo... That was some seriously misguided fluff.

 

[PedroPanache]

I notice on the EW Panel that Cuse and Lindelof decided to punish us for daring to express disappointment at their mythology answers by withholding who was actually in the outrigger. Of course, it wasn't at all because they realised that by the time season 6 came around the answer would have made no sense whatsoever. So, in lieu of any kind of answer lets play......


THE LOST OUTRIGGER GAME (Name the four people in the infamous outrigger)

Hugo "Wait, I think I know what these things are now" Reyes
Jack
Shannon
That fake psychic who told Claire to give away the baby

 

[big ander]

I notice on the EW Panel that Cuse and Lindelof decided to punish us for daring to express disappointment at their mythology answers by withholding who was actually in the outrigger. Of course, it wasn't at all because they realised that by the time season 6 came around the answer would have made no sense whatsoever. So, in lieu of any kind of answer lets play......


THE LOST OUTRIGGER GAME (Name the four people in the infamous outrigger)

Hugo "Wait, I think I know what these things are now" Reyes
Jack
Shannon
That fake psychic who told Claire to give away the baby

Dave
Vincent
Zach and Emma (zach was on emma's shoulders to look like one person)
Vincent's brother Carter

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

The dude from Eastbound & Down from the temple
The dude from It's Always Sunny in Philly from The Others
The chick from Wet Hot American Summer from Hugo's Headphone store
Cindy

 

[Salmonax]

THE LOST OUTRIGGER GAME (Name the four people in the infamous outrigger)

Karen DeGroot
Randy Nations
Jimmy Lennon (with cricket bat)
Anderson MacCutcheon

 

[XNarte]

So I just rewatched the series with my friend who never saw it before, and since he wasn't there when we had our big finale party last year when the show ended, and because we used to dress up at our LOST parties, he wanted to dress up as characters from the show for his finale viewing. I dressed as Ben Linus this year:

I tried to nail the Ben look, what do you think? My friend went as Daniel Faraday. Last year I was Locke/Man In Black, and the year before that I was Pierre Chang. My wife was Crazy Claire last year, and we've had a pretty good variation of other characters in the past.

Our finale party last year had LOST themed decorations and shit, it was pretty fun. Don't know if I'll ever do something like this for another show, but I thought someone here would get a laugh from it!

 

[bubnbob]

Ben seems to have packed some pounds.

 

[XNarte]

Ben seems to have packed some pounds.

He's Hurley's number 2 now, what do you expect?

 

[big ander]

You got as close to the creepy ben stare as anyone who is not Michael Emerson can get, so you get points for that.

 

[Catalix]

J.J. Abram's experience with negative post-finale fan reactions

The talk shifts to Lost, and Abrams's continued fascination with magic – in this case, the magic that occurs when an audience's engagement with a show turns it into something bigger than originally conceived.

"[Lost] was very much about faith versus science, and the notion of who has had a profound impact on your life and how these characters form a kind of tapestry," Abrams muses. "When you do a show that has that kind of ongoing conversation, the audience not only invests in the show in ways that you could never anticipate, but also makes connections to things that you may not have even considered. When you work on something that combines both the spectacular and the relatable, the hyperreal and the real, it suddenly can become supernatural. The hypothetical and the theoretical can become literal. And that is part of the genius of science-fiction or fantasy writing, which is that it suddenly lets you go, 'Ooh – what if?' which the straight drama almost never lets you do."

Do woebegone Losties give Abrams an earful about the finale?

"Oh my God, yes," he groans. "For years, I had people praising Lost to death, and now they say: 'I'm so pissed at you for the end of Lost.' I think a lot of people who were upset with the ending, were just upset that it ended. And I've not yet heard the pitch of what the ending should have been. I've just heard: 'That sucked.'"

 

[Erigu]

I think a lot of people who were upset with the ending, were just upset that it ended.

Why, naturally...

And of course, it's not like it was going so well and the end was the issue.

A reaction...

 

[Jeff-DSA]

鷹 击 長 空

In the show it means: "He walks amongst us, but he is not one of us"
Character for character IRL it means: "The eagles fly upon the sky" or "Eagles strike the wide sky"
But literally it means: "Eagles high, cleaving sky"

It's took from a Mao poem - Ch'ang-sha.

But his actual tattoo is WRONG. One of the characters in it are wrong.

His tattoo is: 鷹击長空

Correct simplified is: 鹰击长空

Correct traditional is: 鷹擊長空

The rest of that tattoo is a mystery. Another fail imo.

Read more about his tattoo's here: http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Jack's_tattoos

It's a failing of the show that Jack had a tattoo that they didn't fully explain? That's so stupid. The actor has that tattoo. It was whatever tattoo artists' fault that the tattoo was wrong, and the rest of the tattoo is just creative design that has meaning for the actor. It was nice that they tried to give it any sort of meaning in the first place.

The nitpicking around here regarding LOST is some of the nerdiest things I've ever seen in my entire life.

 

[Erigu]

It's a failing of the show that Jack had a tattoo that they didn't fully explain?

No, it's a failing of the show that they tried to and came up with a shitty, pointless episode and a nonsensical (and inaccurate: the show assumes you won't know better) meaning.

It was whatever tattoo artists' fault that the tattoo was wrong

Sure, but it's not his fault some TV writers then focused on it and pretended it meant something else altogether. For no discernible reason.

 

[Jeff-DSA]

Sure, but it's not his fault some TV writers then focused on it and pretended it meant something else altogether. For no discernible reason.

They applied meaning to it. That was the reason. Who cares if it doesn't match up with the actual lettering? It's fiction.

 

[Erigu]

They applied meaning to it. That was the reason.

Did it help the show any?

Who cares if it doesn't match up with the actual lettering?

Those who can tell, for starters?

It's fiction.

The bad kind.

 

[Jeff-DSA]

Cool bro, keep wasting your days caring about the show. I was a huge fan of it and I think about it far less than you do. If you're so against time wasting and fruitless explanation, maybe you ought to take a look at yourself.

 

[Erigu]

I was a huge fan of it and I think about it far less than you do.

Replacing "and" with "because" in that sentence might just work, too...

 

[Jeff-DSA]

Replacing "and" with "because" in that sentence might just work, too...

Oh, so you mean I can enjoy something without having to make sure it's a bulletproof product? I don't have to delay my happiness to make sure that something is perfect before I decide that I'm liking something?

Why did you watch the whole thing? If you sit down to eat and the food tastes like garbage, don't you refuse it? If it tastes good, can't you just enjoy it and not go look up the ingredient list and get irked because you would have used sea salt instead of table salt?

I severely question your ability to live a normal life. You can't be normal. Just seeing how much time you've invested into something you hate, it has to point to obsessive qualities that should be addressed through therapy. Go outside.

 

[Treefingers]

Just stop arguing with him and he'll stop posting.

@XNarte: nailed it.

 

[Erigu]

Oh, so you mean I can enjoy something without having to make sure it's a bulletproof product? I don't have to delay my happiness to make sure that something is perfect before I decide that I'm liking something?

Why were you "a huge fan" of Lost?

Why did you watch the whole thing?

It was amusingly bad.

 

[Jeff-DSA]

Why were you "a huge fan" of Lost

Because by enjoying the show, it infuriated you. That's all.

 

[Erigu]

Clearly, answering simple questions is hard.

 

[Jeff-DSA]

Clearly, answering simple questions is hard.

Nobody has every had any sort of success talking with you. You might as well be a rock. I'm not going to waste my time.

If anybody else wants to discuss the show with me, feel free.

 

[Catalix]

Nobody has every had any sort of success talking with you.

Eh, you're gonna have to speak for yourself on that one.

If anybody else wants to discuss the show with me, feel free.

Well... what'd ya have in mind?

 

[Erigu]

Nobody has every had any sort of success talking with you.

Lots of people have, actually. But actual arguments help, and it seems some Lost fans just don't bother with those (you're just another example).

It seems you'd rather cut the discussion short and resort to personal attacks than reply to short, simple questions regarding the show.

"Did it help the show any?" was such a question, above. And a pretty relevant one, too, considering we were talking about whether or not this tattoo stuff was another failing of the show.
You claimed that when people are saying the tattoo thing was stupid, they're just nitpicking, but it seems to me nitpicking actually is what you'd have to do to find something positive to say about that episode (it's not like the on-island plot was much better).
If you disagree with that, go ahead and actually defend the thing with arguments. Quitting right ahead after some cheap personal shots doesn't exactly put you on the high ground you seem to think you are addressing me (poor, dysfunctional me) from.

 

[bigboss370]

Fuck. This show is just so awesome.

Each episode closer to the finale it gets better and better. I just can't wait for it. My cousin is absolutely loving it, so awesome watching with a first timer.

Only 2 episodes left before the series finale. He has no idea what awesomeness awaits him with a cross the sea. Its game changing.

Also Season 6 jack is so badass, he is just such an awesome character. Desmond was always my favorite, but he never had enough time on screen for me, overall jack might be the best developed most badass awesome person on the show.

Jack is the shit. Also the scene with Sun and Jin passing always gets me. So close to the finale, only two days away before he and I finish.

yeah Jack is a BOSS

it makes me so sad Lost is gone, there's no other show that can replace it

still, best show ever

 

[Admiral Bone to Pick]

I actually had the finale semi-ruined for me because of the title of a Youtube video. I was re-watching the Walkabout ending (since it's my favorite scene in the series), and one of the related videos had a huge spoiler.


This video (spoilers for ending):

Season 6 ending

 

[Catalix]

Why, naturally...

And of course, it's not like it was going so well and the end was the issue.

A reaction...

That was the part that got me. It was a disingenuous assertion from JJ. Shouldn't have made such a simple generalization.

Finished reading the response article and the other one it was linked to. They made some good points. I like when people not only express what they thought was severely lacking about the story, but also how they would go about fixing it.

I could probably read a whole site dedicated to nothing but other people's alternate takes on the LOST narrative. Not really full-fledged fanfics, (never read a fanfic I've liked), just their overall concepts. Then I'd proceed to rip their misguided efforts to shreds, voting on which submissions are lame (likely 98%) or surprisingly awesome (2%, maybe less). The cream of the crop will reign as my official kings of "Disgruntled LOST-Fanon."

I actually had the finale semi-ruined for me because of the title of a Youtube video. I was re-watching the Walkabout ending (since it's my favorite scene in the series), and one of the related videos had a huge spoiler.


This video (spoilers for ending):

Season 6 ending

lol, ouch. Spoilers don't get much bigger than that one.

 

[Erigu]

That was the part that got me. It was a disingenuous assertion from JJ. Shouldn't have made such a simple generalization.

To be fair, he did say "a lot of people"... but damn was that some transparent spin.

Finished reading the response article and the other one it was linked to. They made some good points. I like when people not only express what they thought was severely lacking about the story, but also how they would go about fixing it.

I'm not 100% on board with the io9 article, but it did address some big issues, which is nice.
I haven't followed that other link yet.

I could probably read a whole site dedicated to nothing but other people's alternate takes on the LOST narrative. Not really full-fledged fanfics, (never read a fanfic I've liked), just their overall concepts. Then I'd proceed to rip their misguided efforts to shreds, voting on which submissions are lame (likely 98%) or surprisingly awesome (2%, maybe less). The cream of the crop will reign as my official kings of "Disgruntled LOST-Fanon."

Yeah, it's a fun exercise.
There's some of that in the comments section of the io9 article, too (and Sturgeon's Law applies there as well, from what I've seen).

 

[MoonsaultSlayer]

Wait... people actually recreationally dispute lost theories for fun? Hahahahahahahahahahaha

I'd love to be a fly on their wall to recreationally laugh at their lives. Too funny.

Oh no "personal attacks instead of answering why locke turned the key to the right instead of to the left in that one car since clearly that car's locking mechanism turns to the left in real life. And how pathetic that they have a character named locke who unlocks a car door. How simple are the writers? We get it locke = lock. Dumb writers."

 

[Erigu]

Wait... people actually recreationally dispute lost theories for fun? Hahahahahahahahahahaha
I'd love to be a fly on their wall to recreationally laugh at their lives. Too funny.

Glad to see the irony doesn't bother you.

Oh no "personal attacks instead of answering why locke turned the key to the right instead of to the left in that one car

Moron.

 

[MoonsaultSlayer]

Glad to see the irony doesn't bother you.


Moron.

Hahaha.

To answer your tat question: It did help the show. Gave an inside look at that character, the main point of the show.

You didn't like lost and shared your reasons, that is awesome. Quit trying to bully people into thinking their positive opinion of the show is wrong. That makes you a fucking dirtbag and don't you dare dispute my claim as you've clearly proven to purposefully bash all who support the show and its characters. Not everyone cares to prove why they like it to some jackass on the internet so fuck off with trying to back people into a corner so you can trounce on their ideas and feelings, asshole. Your opinion about my opinion of lost is nothing compared to my opinion of you as a person... and I don't care what the fuck you have to say about me and my primitive attack at you.

To be clear, this isn't me defending lost, its me taking a stand against an annoying internet asshole ruining a thread I'd like to pass some time in every now and then.

And if your quibblings were civil and you had a sense of respect for fellow posters and their opinions and yours weren't advertised as fact, people wouldn't be so harsh...

 

[Erigu]

To answer your tat question: It did help the show. Gave an inside look at that character, the main point of the show.

How so?

Not everyone cares to process why they like it

They don't have to. But if they want to participate in a debate about the merits of the show, it might be a good idea to take some time to think about it.

Your opinion about my opinion of lost is nothing compared to my opinion of you as a person...

That makes so much sense.

 

[MoonsaultSlayer]

How so?


They don't have to. But if they want to participate in a debate about the merits of the show, it might be a good idea to take some time to think about it.


That makes so much sense.

You're not debating. You attack the writers, actors, people who enjoy it etc etc.

You're judging everyone based on their opinions of lost. I'm judging you for the way you present yourself here. The reason youre here, the way you handle yourself... all paint a sad picture of your personal life and that is something I find more pathetic than you could ever feel about lost writer number 12 and their episode about kate's hair looking different between scenes.

 

[Erigu]

You're not debating.

I can't quite do that all by myself. Not so incidentally, you skipped my question.

 

[Admiral Bone to Pick]

Just imagine that Erigu is the Man in Black and that he's trapped in the LOST OT. He wants more than anything else in the world to leave the thread and see the world of NeoGAF beyond, but he can't. He wants to be able to go out and discuss basketball and big butts, but he's stuck here. He wants to know the truth of the site, so he spends hours dissecting plot points and attacking people who he disagrees with. No one quite understands him, just that he's not someone to mess around with. And many say his darkness should never leave this thread.

Spoiler

I dunno it just makes the posts more interesting to read.

 

[Shorty]

You're not debating. You attack the writers, actors, people who enjoy it etc etc.

You're judging everyone based on their opinions of lost. I'm judging you for the way you present yourself here. The reason youre here, the way you handle yourself... all paint a sad picture of your personal life and that is something I find more pathetic than you could ever feel about lost writer number 12 and their episode about kate's hair looking different between scenes.

just put him on ignore bro.

 

[Erigu]

just put him on ignore bro.

If he's just going to ignore my points anyway and come up with moronic straw man arguments instead of addressing them, he might as well do that and spare us the inanity, indeed.

 

[Spotless Mind]

Do woebegone Losties give Abrams an earful about the finale?

"Oh my God, yes," he groans. "For years, I had people praising Lost to death, and now they say: 'I'm so pissed at you for the end of Lost.' I think a lot of people who were upset with the ending, were just upset that it ended. And I've not yet heard the pitch of what the ending should have been. I've just heard: 'That sucked.'"

What a condescending prick.

 

[MoonsaultSlayer]

I can't quite do that all by myself. Not so incidentally, you skipped my question.

Your question has a generic answer... you're just waiting to shit on it.

The Tat episode was an insignificant, but intimate look at this particular character. Who cares if you don't deem it worthy or if you feel it was a waste of time. The show CLEARLY wasn't meant for you... why the effort to try and change it with hindsight?

 

[Erigu]

The Tat episode was an insignificant, but intimate look at this particular character.

Well, at least, it seems we agree about it being insignificant. I'm not sure how it being "intimate" helps much, considering.

 

[Spotless Mind]

That i09 piece is excellent, by the way. That's without them even mentioning Jacob's "rules" and how spectacularly clumsy the handling of that whole aspect was.

The reason youre here, the way you handle yourself... all paint a sad picture of your personal life and that is something I find more pathetic than you could ever feel about lost writer number 12 and their episode about kate's hair looking different between scenes.

I find the people in this thread resorting to personal attacks on Erigu, like yourself, infinitely more pathetic. He isn't merely nitpicking, as your oh so subtle Kate jab is trying to make out. He has made tonnes of legitimate complaints against the show.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

If he's just going to ignore my points anyway and come up with moronic straw man arguments instead of addressing them, he might as well do that and spare us the inanity, indeed.

we've discussed this show for six years erigu. we have debated and gotten angry at each other and every other emotion. it's over. you aren't willing to haeva discussion with us, you want to browbeat us.

I find the people in this thread resorting to personal attacks on Erigu, like yourself, infinitely more pathetic. He isn't merely nitpicking, as your oh so subtle Kate jab is trying to make out. He has made tonnes of legitimate complaints against the show

bullshit, he thinks we haven't picked up any of that shit before. berating the fans of a show doesn't make you right. the obssesive behavior to prove that the writers are imcopetent is not discussing a show. what is there left to discuss when someone hates something so much? I mean, some people hated it and stopped watching, other shated episodes, others hated seasons. but we all got some enjoyment out of it because of compelling drama, interesting situations and characters and just a well written show. erigu is the classic definition of a contrarian.

 

[MoonsaultSlayer]

That i09 piece is excellent, by the way. That's without them even mentioning Jacob's "rules" and how spectacularly clumsy the handling of that whole aspect was.


I find the people in this thread resorting to personal attacks on Erigu, like yourself, infinitely more pathetic. He isn't merely nitpicking, as your oh so subtle Kate jab is trying to make out. He has made tonnes of legitimate complaints against the show.

Oh don't worry, I'm trying to be a dick. I know how I'm portraying myself as my "primitive attacks" comment points out.