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Yeah, the music really was fantastic. My favourite is in the opening scene of S2, as the camera goes up the hatch shaft. It lets you know a big WTF moment is coming then celebrates it when it arrives. So good.
 
I really liked the music for the opening of S6, when we zoom out of the airplane window into the bottom of the ocean. The music was really tense and creepy. And of course, the opening sequence of The End made you overflow with tears before the title sequence even came up.
 
The music was consistently one of my favorite parts of the show. I'm sure I'll be revisiting it much more often than the show itself through the years.
 
Another major element of the plot centers on a series of numbers (4,8,15,16,23,42) Jorge Garcia’s character, Hurley, used to win the lottery that have since plagued him with bad luck. In the Season One finale, Hurley discovered that the same series of numbers is imprinted on the hatch. Several fans have suggested that these numbers refer to specific Bible verses that can be used to provide insights about the secrets of the show. “Anything is a possibility,” Lindeolf says of the speculation. “To me, it’s always more interesting to not take away any legitimate theories from the audience. I would not say that the numbers definitely do not refer to Bible verses, but I wouldn’t say that they do either. Some people look at those numbers and say that they’re all numbers of retired New York Yankees baseball players, which if you look it up, is true. That’s not why we chose them, but then again, that is a pretty strange coincidence. Maybe the numbers have a life of their own.” Lindelof adds, “To answer why we chose those numbers would give up a big chunk of mythology that we are not ready to reveal yet. All I’ll say is that the selection of those numbers was not arbitrary.”
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Bwahaha!

I'd like to see you defend that, Lost-GAF.
 
I'm but a messenger! Lindelof and Cuse are the ones who made this possible by being so absolutely full of shit in the first place.
 
Come on, Erigu. You're all but tilting at windmills at this point.

My advice would be to prepare yourself, because sooner or later you'll be the only one who wants to talk about Lost anymore.
 
Willy105 said:
Why would it need defending? It obviously didn't pan out that way.
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Yeah, I guess the numbers just couldn't shoot in Hawaii anymore, schedule conflicts and all that...
And I'm sure they had a perfectly reasonable explanation for those magical/cursed numbers, too. What a shame.

Think they would admit to having changed their plans (oh, man... "plans"... this is hilarious!) though? It's not like they ever did for Adam and Eve. And that was pretty obvious as well.


Salmonax said:
prepare yourself, because sooner or later you'll be the only one who wants to talk about Lost anymore.
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Promises, promises...
 
it seems if Lindelof and Cuse didn't reveal everything about every plot line in every interview for every season the show wasn't good for some people (RE: manchild erigu) it's from 2005, the numbers got explained.
 
evil solrac v3.0 said:
the numbers got explained.
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They weren't explained (or maybe you're thinking of that equation thingy that never was on the show, but that was quite silly and of dubious canonicity anyway, really), and it sure seems the selection was arbitrary.
 
Not sure what that quote tells us, it's very vague...

Either...

A) The mythology could have always been that they're numbers of the people who were brought to the island. And by 'not arbitrary', they mean that they didn't just go "Jack 23, Sayid...etc..." They mentioned on a Podcast after The Substitute and The Lighthouse that they spent a lot of time picking the names to match the numbers. So the word 'arbitrary' could mean something different to us than them.

Or...

B) The story changed, they did something else with them. Retrofitted them to fit their story.

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Either way...who cares?
 
oatmeal said:
They mentioned on a Podcast after The Substitute and The Lighthouse that they spent a lot of time picking the numbers.
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Just like they said they weren't arbitrary. Pretty much the same thing, really.
Is there any reason to believe them though, in the end?

The story changed, they did something else with them. Retrofitted them to fit their story.
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"Fit"? You're quite generous...

Either way...who cares?
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I guess I kinda wonder just how many elements hinting at Lindelof / Cuse being completely full of shit a "true Lost fan" can ignore...
 
Salmonax said:
My advice would be to prepare yourself, because sooner or later you'll be the only one who wants to talk about Lost anymore.
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I miss talking about the show, especially dissecting episodes, especially the earlier ones.

Can you imagine if Lost had actually made good on the promise of the early seasons and had paid off with a complete run that the majority of viewers found coherent, consistent and satisfying, with all these neat little small picture connections linking up with a big picture that no one saw coming but when it was revealed seemed like it was always lurking beneath the show's surface? People would still be talking about it in awed tones, still digging for more clues, more connections.

Instead there's just the occasional battle between the odd masochist and die hard fan, neither of who can't let it go. It's a bit like watching 2 janitors playing a half-hearted game of soccer, after hours, in a dark and empty stadium.
 
Erigu said:
They weren't explained (or maybe you're thinking of that equation thingy that never was on the show, but that was quite silly and of dubious canonicity anyway, really), and it sure seems the selection was arbitrary.
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it was the numbers for the candidates. it's good.
 
cloud_sleep said:
the occasional battle between the odd masochist and die hard fan
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Hardly a masochist: I like making fun of the show.


evil solrac v3.0 said:
it was the numbers for the candidates. it's good.
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But Lindelof said the selection wasn't arbitrary?
(and why 6 numbers? why the 6 candidates left after Jacob crossed Kate's name but before Locke died? those 6 numbers were around long before there were 6 candidates left)
 
evil solrac v3.0 said:
it was the numbers for the candidates. it's good.
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So why were they also the numbers on the hatch? Or the numbers broadcast from the radio tower that Hurley's friend heard? Is it some vague notion of Jacob 'having a thing for numbers' and therefore his vague magical influence on things meant they kept popping up everywhere? Because if so, then I find that to be a really awful explanation. It's the sort of thing you'd come up with you were out of other ideas - "I know, let's say it was all down to a weirdo with poorly defined magical powers."
 
cloud_sleep said:
I miss talking about the show, especially dissecting episodes, especially the earlier ones.

Can you imagine if Lost had actually made good on the promise of the early seasons and had paid off with a complete run that the majority of viewers found coherent, consistent and satisfying, with all these neat little small picture connections linking up with a big picture that no one saw coming but when it was revealed seemed like it was always lurking beneath the show's surface? People would still be talking about it in awed tones, still digging for more clues, more connections.

Instead there's just the occasional battle between the odd masochist and die hard fan, neither of who can't let it go. It's a bit like watching 2 janitors playing a half-hearted game of soccer, after hours, in a dark and empty stadium.
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it's nothing like that at all. we can say that about every damn show. this is starting to get silly. even if lost had given you every answer TO YOUR LIKING, people would still complain. but they were a minority in the end.
 
cloud_sleep said:
So why were they also the numbers on the hatch? Or the numbers broadcast from the radio tower that Hurley's friend heard? Is it some vague notion of Jacob 'having a thing for numbers' and therefore his vague magical influence on things meant they kept popping up everywhere? Because if so, then I find that to be a really awful explanation.
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That's pretty much it, and a major contributor to seasons 5 and 6 being such massive disappointments. I never thought there was going to be a great explanation for the numbers given all the magical stuff they were capable of and involved in, but surely they could have done better than "Jacob wrote those numbers on a wall, so they're important because of that."
 
evil solrac v3.0 said:
it's nothing like that at all. we can say that about every damn show. this is starting to get silly. even if lost had given you every answer TO YOUR LIKING, people would still complain. but they were a minority in the end.
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Not really. Most of the people I know that were really into Lost at first feel let down by the way it turned out. When it's talked about these days it's mostly in the context of people discussing how they felt their investment in the show didn't pay off in the end. It's not just the answers they got felt completely arbitary, they felt the quality of the writing tailed off pretty sharply. Whereas people who loved the Wire, The Sopranos, Six Feet Under, The West Wing, for example, mostly feel that the time spent on those shows was worth it. That's my experience anyway.
 
Salmonax said:
That's pretty much it, and a major contributor to seasons 5 and 6 being such massive disappointments. I never thought there was going to be a great explanation for the numbers given all the magical stuff they were capable of and involved in, but surely they could have done better than "Jacob wrote those numbers on a wall, so they're important because of that."
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Not sure they could have done a lot better than that, myself... It was a pretty stupid idea in the first place, considering, like you said, "all the magical stuff they were capable of and involved in".

Basically, they recycled the oddly recurring number idea from an earlier J.J. Abrams show (it was "47", back in Alias), except they came up with six of those and stupidly decided to turn them into a plot point, to actually pretend they matter (and "weren't chosen arbitrarily: it all ties in with the mythology of the show", har har, yeah, sure), instead of keeping them as a mere irrelevant Easter egg.
Lostpedia: Speaking of the Numbers, who came up with them? What is their origin, and why those numbers rather than others? Whose decision was it to drop in references to these numbers in subsequent episodes as easter eggs for the fans?
Fury: J.J., Damon and I met at some restaurant on our day off to break that episode. Hurley winning the lottery was Damon’s idea. But I believe the “Numbers” and their importance was J.J.’s. When I started writing the episode, I already figured to use numbers that had been heard on the show… 4 (number of years Locke was in wheelchair); 8, 15 (Flight 815), etc. When I confirmed my number choices with Damon, I was still missing the last number. I had thought to make it “42” (an homage to Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy – Answer to the Ultimate Question). When Damon had the same idea, that clinched it. It was my idea to have the numbers engraved on the hatch at the end of the episode. After that, I can only assume Damon is the easter egg dropper.
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No "mythology" involved. They just picked numbers that had already been used on the show, and Lindelof was full of shit in that interview, as usual.
But that should have been obvious from the beginning anyway, really...


cloud_sleep said:
Most of the people I know that were really into Lost at first feel let down by the way it turned out. When it's talked about these days it's mostly in the context of people discussing how they felt their investment in the show didn't pay off in the end. It's not just the answers they got felt completely arbitary, they felt the quality of the writing tailed off pretty sharply. Whereas people who loved the Wire, The Sopranos, Six Feet Under, The West Wing, for example, mostly feel that the time spent on those shows was worth it. That's my experience anyway.
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It definitely isn't just yours.

I meant myself. I keep returning to discussions about Lost like a tongue flicking a throbbing tooth. I must enjoy it on some level.
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Ah, my bad.
But I would hope you still enjoy discussing the show... Otherwise... Well, I'm just not sure how it could be "painful", anyway. Even if it turned out to be disappointing, it's not like there aren't tons of better shows out there.
 
Erigu said:
Bwahaha!

I'd like to see you defend that, Lost-GAF.
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Actually the answer to the numbers is pretty great.

The problem is its a 2 part answer and the first part is revealed outside of the show.

This is canon according to the writers:

A man named Valanzetti creates an equation that predicts the end of the world and the conclusion he comes too is 4 8 15 16 23 and 42. Alvar Hanso hears about this equation and creates the Dharma Initative to "save the world". The intent is change the core value of these numbers in the hope that the world would be saved. Thats the simple, short version.

In season 6 we find out the numbers are connected to the characters. Jack changes his core value from man of science to man of faith and "saves the world".

Its a shame that 99.999999% of people who watch lost will never know that.
 
I liked Lost. The biggest thing about Lost I liked was how every single person who watched it, did it for the mystery hoping for answers and when the finale shit on all of that a good 50% of people spun around and said "But it was about the peeeeeeeople all along"

Go tell that to the past-you still in the middle of season 3 and he will punch you in the face and say "NO, THEY WILL EXPLAIN THIS. I KNOW THEY WILL. GTFO BLASPHEMIST."
 
Ventilaator said:
I liked Lost. The biggest thing about Lost I liked was how every single person who watched it, did it for the mystery hoping for answers and when the finale shit on all of that a good 50% of people spun around and said "But it was about the peeeeeeeople all along"

Go tell that to the past-you still in the middle of season 3 and he will punch you in the face and say "NO, THEY WILL EXPLAIN THIS. I KNOW THEY WILL. GTFO BLASPHEMIST."
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I dont think lost is just about the people and I think the mythology is very important(I love the myshology of lost) and im the biggest lost apologist you will you ever find.

But if you go back and actually rewatch season 1, 90% of it concentrates on nothing but the characters.

Theres the constant feeling of "whats going on" mystery, but most of it really just concentrates on character.

What's funny though is that people say the writer's copped out and said it was all about the characters but season 6 is probably the most heavy on mythology except perhaps season 5.
 
Drealmcc0y said:
Actually the answer to the numbers is pretty great.
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Of course: it's genius, as usual, right?

A man named Valanzetti...
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Hold on. First, some context.

In the first season, we have this "Numbers" episode that tells us there are cursed numbers out there.

In July 2005, Lindelof claims that they didn't pick the numbers arbitrarily, but can't explain how they chose them because "that would give up a big chunk of mythology that [they] are not ready to reveal yet".
(or maybe the way they picked them was actually rather mundane and had nothing to do with "the mythology", but hey, never forget: Fury is a filthy traitor! don't believe a word he says! not even when it makes a lot more sense than all the bullshit that comes from Lindelof and Cuse)

Now, how do you explain stuff like that in a satisfactory manner?
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Yeah.

A few months later, in November 2005, it looks like Lindelof either finally realized that or decided that the teasing had gone for long enough and could actually hurt the show from then on, so:
I think that that question will never, ever be answered. I couldn't possibly imagine (how we would answer that question)
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it boggles my mind when people ask me, 'What do the numbers mean?'
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Well, yeah: it seemed pretty hopeless to expect an answer for that one, indeed. But then again, you did pretend there was one for a while, didn't, you, Damon? Oh, the shit you'd say to try and hook your audience!
Okay, so you didn't quite admit to that dishonest contradiction of yours, but at least, you finally went and said it was a dead-end (as should have been obvious from the beginning, but hey), and that will relieve the show of that one particularly silly elem...
We will see more ramifications of the numbers and more usage of the numbers
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Oh, come the fuck on.
And all in the same interview, too? What the... Is the guy really that clueless? Or does he think his viewers are, which is why he doesn't mind piling up the contradictions ("you think the numbers are silly? good news: I realize that and I agree, they're a dead-end! you think the mystery of the numbers is cool? good news: we'll keep that one going!")?

Anyway, in a shocking turn of events, viewers who trusted against all reason those two clowns when they were claiming they would eventually reveal why they picked those numbers and how that ties in with the mythology of the show do notice that bit where Lindelof said "I think that that question will never, ever, be answered" and are kinda pissed off about it.
Naturally, since Lindelof and Cuse are a lot more interested in keeping their audience than in being honest or coherent, they start backpedalling accordingly:
Lindelof: "Answering a question of what the numbers mean, and here's the quote, 'That question will never ever be answered. I couldn't possibly imagine how we could answer that question. We will see more ramifications of the numbers and more usage of the numbers.'" And pawn5 goes on to write, "There we have it folks. The numbers will never be explained, so what's the point now?"
Cuse: Why would you say that Damon? Why would you give such an incendiary quote? I mean, my god!
Lindelof: I can't imagine ever having said these things...
Cuse: What were you thinking?
Lindelof: I must have been drunk.
Cuse: Oh my god, exactly, you and Bode Miller were out-
Lindelof: Yeah.
Cuse: ...drinking together and-
Lindelof: Shooting guns.
Cuse: ...skiing. Um, okay, the th- I think what you meant was...
Lindelof: What did I mean?
Cuse: I think what you meant, Damon, was that it's sort of an impossible question on one level to answer. I mean, some of the mysteries of this show are sort of like religious mysteries, like how would you explain, you know, the notion of God? I mean, you can take a stab at an answer, you can- but there may be a thousand different ways to answer that question, and I think that- that there's certain- there's a certain mystical quality to the numbers that may not ever be explained. It doesn't mean that we don't understand their role, their significance, their importance, but, you know, that- there- in certain parts of the storytelling of the show are embedded in mysteries that are just inherently unexplainable, and different characters will have different interpretations of what those ultimate mysteries mean, so in that sense, I think that- that's probably what you meant.
Lindelof: That sounds exactly what I meant. So thank you for clarifying that.
Cuse: Oh, no problems.
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See? It's quite simple: when you get in trouble for introducing a mystery you can't solve (despite your earlier claims that there is an answer and you're keeping it for later, "it will be so awesome, you guys!"), just go spiritual and shit, man. Claim it's, like, similar to the Great Mysteries of Life. Even God. Dude. God. How awesome does that sound? I know, right? And we're writing the shit of this thing. Man, isn't our show the greatest evah?
It's all in the spin.
(sadly, that kind of shit does work, and it apparently did, there... for shame)
Lindelof: I have a feeling that quote will be coming back to bite me for years to come.
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Yeah, well, you don't get to complain about the mess you put yourself into with your bullshit, Damon...

A few months later, in May 2006, an ARG called "the Lost Experience" begins, and is apparently tasked with providing an explanation for the numbers, so viewers will stop bothering the writers with that shit.
And that's how we got that "Valenzetti equation" business you're referring to, Drealmcc0y.
[... as well as a bunch of other stuff the show went on to ignore/contradict, so only some parts are deemed canonical in the end... yeah, it's a mess, but you should be used to it, by now, really]

Back to you:
A man named Valanzetti creates an equation that predicts the end of the world
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Yes, you can do that.

and the conclusion he comes too is 4 8 15 16 23 and 42.
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Because equations are strings of numbers.

Alvar Hanso hears about this equation and creates the Dharma Initative to "save the world". The intent is change the core value of these numbers in the hope that the world would be saved.
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That makes sense, shut up.

Thats the simple, short version.
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And here's Lindelof's own summary:
Here's the story with numbers. The Hanso Foundation that started the DHARMA Initiative hired this guy Valenzetti to basically work on this equation to determine what was the probability of the world ending in the wake of the Cuban Missile Crisis. Valenzetti basically deduced that it was 100 percent within the next 27 years, so the Hanso Foundation started the Dharma Initiative in an effort to try to change the variables in the equation so that mankind wouldn't wipe it itself out.
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(I have to assume Lindelof meant "within the next 27 years" from his own perspective at the time of the article, 'cause 1962 + 27 = 1989)

Okay, so that's really silly, but it's not like there was a way to come up with a non-silly answer anyway, so there you go. At least, it provides some kind of explanation as to why the numbers were broadcasted from the island, why they were on that hatch door, why you had to type them on the Swan computer, why they allowed Hurley to win the lottery but then cursed him, why they were the numbers of the remaining candidates after Jacob crossed Kate's name but before Locke kicked the bucket...
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Oh, wait. No, it really doesn't. That's how silly that "mystery" was to begin with.
I mean, that sure is a whole lot of 'splainin' just to end up on:
"Well, the numbers are just recurring like hell. That's all there is to it. Because they're... er... "core factors" (just roll with it) of some godly equation. Or maybe it's the other way around. Doesn't make any difference anyway, at this point, right?"
(and yeah, mankind somehow failed to notice those six oddly recurring numbers for millennia... and sure, the people at DHARMA used them all the time for all kind of things just because... also, Hurley something something good/bad luck something)

As Drealmcc0y would put it: "pretty great!"
Otherwise: "well, that sure was some stupid, pointless, misguided shit."

Jack changes his core value from man of science to man of faith
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Ah, yes: the "man of science / man of faith" thingy. We might as well tie all the stupid, pointless, misguided shit together, indeed.


Ventilaator said:
I liked Lost. The biggest thing about Lost I liked was how every single person who watched it, did it for the mystery hoping for answers and when the finale shit on all of that a good 50% of people spun around and said "But it was about the peeeeeeeople all along"
Go tell that to the past-you still in the middle of season 3 and he will punch you in the face and say "NO, THEY WILL EXPLAIN THIS. I KNOW THEY WILL. GTFO BLASPHEMIST."
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Exactly. You can also confirm that by taking a look at years-old topics on internet forums.
"It was about the characters all along" was some hilariously transparent damage control. All spin, all the time.

I also love it when they go and argue "well, the questions are always better than the answers, obviously! it's only natural you'd be disappointed! that has nothing to do with our show being poorly written or anything like that!"

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Drealmcc0y said:
What's funny though is that people say the writer's copped out and said it was all about the characters but season 6 is probably the most heavy on mythology except perhaps season 5.
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What's funny is that you're apparently completely oblivious to the difference between actual, valid answers and bullshit, cop out non-answers like the ones that littered season 6.
 
Seems like a million years ago...
 
Despite its problems that became a bit more obvious to me once the show ended I still love it and the experience I had watching it.
 
Every year that passes reminds me there will never be anything as addicting and enthralling on TV again.

Still tha best. <3
 
^ Indeed, good sirs. Indeed.



That goddam avatar, Tim-E. lol
 
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