at the risk of being derivative, I think this is a good verbalization of how I feel about Muffin; his vote on Ouro right now just closes a loop.
Yes yes, I know you're trying to look busy, I get it.
Native
Well gee I was borderline AFK last day session and most of yesterday, what do you think I'm doing?
I RNG'd because I needed to get off my ass and actually play and picking one group to look at at a time helps me stay focused.
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I started the Vere reread in the hope that I could finish it in time about 40 minutes to the deadline. The first 10 or 20 minutes I checked the thread for updates regularly but as not much movement happened I assumed Kark would get lynched. That Orb vote kind of came out of nowhere after all. With that assumption I concentrated on the Vere read and didn't check the thread any more. Not the wisest decision I admit but I got kind of absorbed in it.Mostly quoting this so I can get your attention more than anything else, but I was still wondering why you just sort of 'sat back' at the end of the last Day Phase and let the vote play out. Instead of arguing for your Scum Lean ( Kark ) to be lynched rather than your Town Lean ( Orb ), you instead worked on a case against Vere. Not to mention you came back in here D2 and criticized what happened.
I'm curious as to why. You just seemed very disinterested in how the vote was going 'in the moment' despite having a Scum Lean v Town Lean ( or Null if you count Kit/Darryl in this race ) for the end there.
Natiko and Native are next btw.
What I find interesting is that she, in a 2.100 posts game, looked at the first 580 posts, decided that she found scum and said why bother with the rest.
Either she is following an agenda or extremely lazy town.
Well gee I was borderline AFK last day session and most of yesterday, what do you think I'm doing?
I RNG'd because I needed to get off my ass and actually play and picking one group to look at at a time helps me stay focused.
Was out of the house all day today.
But it really was RNG- ugh ok whatever
Well gee I was borderline AFK last day session and most of yesterday, what do you think I'm doing?
I RNG'd because I needed to get off my ass and actually play and picking one group to look at at a time helps me stay focused.
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Franconp: radiates salt, but seems to be town? Then again I don't like super bitter mafia players so there's a light glare pointed in that direction
Dr. Worm: shitposts everywhere- Ok, joking aside, I actually don't see a lot of shitposts from him? Small question posts, but not really goofing off or anything like that. Where'd this narrative come from, anyway? Anyway, he's town.
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You are not even trying at this point. This read is bullshit and you know it. You are scumreading me for something that's my usual MO and you know it.
Mostly this:
My post was obviously for Kitsune. You answering my post as normal raises all kind of red flags to me.
You are getting uppity at posts that weren't even directed at you?
Mostly this:
My post was obviously for Kitsune. You answering my post as normal raises all kind of red flags to me.
Come on, what Darryl wrote reads like making his mind beforehand about me. So I either do nothing weird and it's scummy because I'm doing justifiable stuff or I do weird things and get inevitably scum read because of that? What are my realistic options in this case?
I doubt I could tell.I have the impression we often mistake general newbie behavior to be scummy newbie behavior.
Why does this read need to give you "options?" Why should I tell you how to alter your behavior to not appear scummy?
My problem is, that these discussions may deliver some (over-)reactions, but for me that is just nothing. Nothing at all. Because the more I think about a reaction, the more it feels like that's just personality, experience talking, etc. I want to point out that Royal Flush made me think about that here
I doubt I could tell.
So I want to throw something in here.
And I hope this doesn't get ignored because there is some duel going on, becuase that is exactly what I want to talk about:
There were 3 "duels" now. Kitsu vs. Dragonz, Darryl vs. Fat and Kitsu vs. fran.
Each time there was a discussion between mostly just 2 players, it seemes to me like everything else that got mentioned, other discussions that could have expanded, all got immediatly shut down. Because yeah those discussions are just a big blob over more sites.
My problem is, that these discussions may deliver some (over-)reactions, but for me that is just nothing. Nothing at all. Because the more I think about a reaction, the more it feels like that's just personality, experience talking, etc. I want to point out that Royal Flush made me think about that here
I doubt I could tell.
I asked Muffin in our chat about how to speak about that topic, because I can't clearly say what exactly bothers me about this.
Although I doubt it could be the case I want to drop in that it could be arranged.
That discussion between Darryl and Sorian bothered me the most on that thought, because it was so close before day end and we had not that many clear votes yet. And discussion was difficult while there were 2 active topics. And then SUDDENLY the Orb vote came out big. I am still unsure how that escalated so quickly and that is currently my biggest itch. I want to know if others feel like that aswell and if you may have seen a pattern or agree that this is just a conspiracy theory that formed itself in my head.
This is probeably gonna be one of my last posts today and tomorrow I'll be on mobile. Apologies in advance, because I will mess up the quoting shizzle.
Why does it raise red flags when Star literally does this on a daily basis?
Vote: Dr. Worm
I honestly thought my vote was already here. This team is all over the place and they aren't doing anyone any favors. I'm not saying kitsune's argument is airtight or anything (in fact there's plenty of nonsense and the like), but fran's aggressive schtick is wearing thin and isn't contributing.
Null:
6. [m] franconp & [m] Dr. Worm
- fran is all up my ass again and is wrong yet again. Has good intentions, but is way off base. Worm is confused.
Are you serious or is this so hard to understand? What you described is basically that I look scummy regardless what I do. My point is exactly that there's nothing you can tell me I should do that would make me not look scummy in your eyes following your previously used logic.
at the risk of being derivative, I think this is a good verbalization of how I feel about Muffin; his vote on Ouro right now just closes a loop.
Muffin and Samurai are both on Xkark, vote Muffin?
So I want to throw something in here.
And I hope this doesn't get ignored because there is some duel going on, becuase that is exactly what I want to talk about:
There were 3 "duels" now. Kitsu vs. Dragonz, Darryl vs. Fat and Kitsu vs. fran.
Each time there was a discussion between mostly just 2 players, it seemes to me like everything else that got mentioned, other discussions that could have expanded, all got immediatly shut down. Because yeah those discussions are just a big blob over more sites.
My problem is, that these discussions may deliver some (over-)reactions, but for me that is just nothing. Nothing at all. Because the more I think about a reaction, the more it feels like that's just personality, experience talking, etc. I want to point out that Royal Flush made me think about that here
I doubt I could tell.
I asked Muffin in our chat about how to speak about that topic, because I can't clearly say what exactly bothers me about this.
Although I doubt it could be the case I want to drop in that it could be arranged.
That discussion between Darryl and Sorian bothered me the most on that thought, because it was so close before day end and we had not that many clear votes yet. And discussion was difficult while there were 2 active topics. And then SUDDENLY the Orb vote came out big. I am still unsure how that escalated so quickly and that is currently my biggest itch. I want to know if others feel like that aswell and if you may have seen a pattern or agree that this is just a conspiracy theory that formed itself in my head.
This is probeably gonna be one of my last posts today and tomorrow I'll be on mobile. Apologies in advance, because I will mess up the quoting shizzle.
A lot of times I notice these "duels" just turn into word salad with a side of fallacies. It makes it difficult to follow a bit. Darryl vs Fat/Sorian for example just left me scratching my head and looking for the little details, so I ended up kind of feeling meh about both pairs. I got a similar feel with kitsunelaine's read of Fran/Dr.Worm. A whole lot of fluffy words, not a whole lot of getting to the point. *shrugs*
But what is the end goal of the conspiracy theory? Is everyone just scum trying to dominate discussion? Is scum just letting the conversation between town members happen while picking from the sidelines and egging it on?
This is something that happens a lot where two hard heads go at it and, unfortunately, I feel its so common place that the fighting itself isn't even really alignment indicative. It's dividing away the vitriol and seeing where the underlying issue started or what it was leading to that usually got answers.
Like clockworkI just disagreed with Sorian's point in that instance. I feel it's easier for scum to blend when they're overly helpful on general problems/widespread discussion than when they're making a specific opinion. But they're both counted as contributing so...
Is this usual Star behavior? Being defensive about posts that are directed to another players? Because I find it weird that 2 couples of players decided to make a read from us and when one of them failed the other couple, who even posted their reads, got defensive.
Also look at my post. I actually talk about the number of votes and say it was lazy saying that I was scum for that. But after that Star posted her read as townie. That didn't seem weird to her?
So, what changed between D1 and now?
Like clockwork
You seem to have this notion that you should be able to play in a way that is perfectly unimpeachable to everyone, and it's everyone else's fault for not recognizing this play.
Without really elaborating anything. You also dropped this comment without going into detail either.
I don't know if that's true since I haven't actually said anything that wasn't implied. It's true that they were generalities on the game, that's what I wanted to explain.Pulling a post from in between two posts where I do make specific reads and saying "like clockwork" is disingenuous.
Like clockwork
I don't know if that's true since I haven't actually said anything that wasn't implied. It's true that they were generalities on the game, that's what I wanted to explain.
That would fit with you essentially wanting to policy lynch the people making "major mistakes."
How do you propose we win if the mafia plays to your inoffensive ideal?
So, what changed between D1 and now?
How would your play be different if you were scum, then?
Surely, scum is conscious of slipping up. If they avoid slipping up, how does town win?
If we need to policy lynch anyone slipping up (which is what your voting pattern suggests), shouldn't townies act the same way as scum, so town doesn't mislynch them?
Uhh, we probably don't? What is this discussion about how the general game works suddenly? "What if scum plays good enough to not stand out in a negative way?" We probably lose. As if that would be something weird.
And in regards to me not making major mistakes: You're trying to frame me as somebody who thinks he's playing perfect, which couldn't be further from the truth. I'm sure I made completely senseless arguments somewhere. I just tend to acknowledge when others call me out on it and take it as a lesson for the future.
So, to be clear:
Your strategy is to leap on everyone making mistakes and hope that they're all scum.
Yep, sure, that's exactly what I said *sigh*
I'm not going to indulge you any further.
Then what's your play to make sure town wins?
If all scum has to do is blend in, what's the counterplay from town?
Given that the Town starts as the vast majority of the players, this would be a one-sided game were it not for how the Town players are not aware of who the other Townies are. As a result, the Mafia can try to blend in with the Town and sway the majority vote onto Townies, hoping to turn the Town against itself until the Mafia controls the majority vote and therefore the game.
Worm. I'm going to quote the official Mafia wiki at this point.
That is not what I'm saying. I'm saying that I happen to not have made any major mistakes so far that would needlessly divert suspicion to me, and because of that, the only option you and Darryl seem to have left is to call exactly that scummy. That it's weird that I'm doing that.
Uhh, we probably don't? What is this discussion about how the general game works suddenly? "What if scum plays good enough to not stand out in a negative way?" We probably lose. As if that would be something weird.
Are you serious or is this so hard to understand? What you described is basically that I look scummy regardless what I do. My point is exactly that there's nothing you can tell me I should do that would make me not look scummy in your eyes following your previously used logic.
You're aware mafia are the ones aware of who is townie and who is not, hence they're lying, which inevitably leads to inconsistensies if they're not careful, right
You're basically accusing me of lynching based on seeing weird plays and posts, as if that would be something bad
You're saying that I'm suspicious because I'm not suspicious
That line of thought is just desperate, tbh. In that case why do we not all just rely on gut?I'm aware that gut is also a component of making a lynch decision
Because I'm expressing how I feel? Because expression doesn't need to have a purpose or endpoint besides conveying emotion/thought. Because I can?You can feel how you like, but that doesn't necessarily mean your feeling is true or accurate.
But if you feel that way, why not put your vote there?
Except I look for the similar thing you are talking about. The issue that your post is doing is making it sound like any general talk is scummy when that's more the nature of the game. It's when a person can only talk in generalities. You quoted Sophia too who has also thrown out specific opinions which is why I call it disingenuous.
A big part of it was that I had the least reason to town read them of pretty much everyone else in the game maybe except Sketch/Fish pair.Ty4on, what was your reasoning for the scumread on kit/fep (I know you already mentioned this, but I'm too lazy to comb through your shitposts and find it) and where do you put that read now
I function like that sober -_-Full disclosure: my slightly drunk brain noped out of the analysis itself once it saw its length. I only really read the reactions to it. Sorry for being a non-entity today, I think tomorrow will be better. Good night.
I kinda like this?So I just want to say that I've gone over today's posts twice.
There are
so
many
words
but there's nothing of substance anywhere.
Because I'm expressing how I feel? Because expression doesn't need to have a purpose or endpoint besides conveying emotion/thought. Because I can?
I love you too Sophia.