You should read your partner's 3 posts above you?
You think your life is as expendable as he says it is? Doesn't sound like someone who has a power role that could help town.
G'Nite Y'all
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Love Boat [Mafia] |OT| Till Death Do Us Part
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You should read your partner's 3 posts above you?
You think your life is as expendable as he says it is? Doesn't sound like someone who has a power role that could help town.
G'Nite Y'all
I'm inclined to agree. Both claimed roles should check who they think is most likely scum. That's how we confirm both of you, catch scum. And preplanning is never a good idea when we don't know if the scum team has a switcher or something.
These are good points. Confirming both Flume and Blawl isn't going to do much of anything if the poop gets all fudged up. Use your powers outside of what mafia thinks is going to happen. If you guys are town then make use of your powers before scum decides to take you out.
UNVOTE
I just wanted time to answer my questions but they've been lost to the wind. I'll put my vote on whoever needs it the most when I get back from work. Putting one on Hyper now is only going to add to the dogpile. They know what's up. Just gotta see if they will post anything of merit instead of just a photo of notes. You can write up a post with those notes, ya silly!
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CURRENT VOTE TALLY:
Hyperactivity & kingkitty (8)
Hyperactivity .373 .542
CzarTim .669
Never Forever .920
Kawl_USC .934
Boo Boo'n .1025
Kyanrute .1033
LaunchpadMcQ .1121
Gorlak .1128
Ty4on .1202
Boo Boo'n & UltraJay (2)
Never Forever .515 .920
kingkitty .532
Coppanuva .551 .727
Kyanrute .755 .887
cabot .1029 .1030
cabot .1030
Sophia & Ty4on (2)
LaunchpadMcQ .1056 .1121
Blargonaut .1081
FluxWaveZ .1083
Blargonaut & Kawl_USC (2)
Flame_AC .353 .559
Boo Boo'n .521 .680
Karkador .733
Zippedpinhead .789
Gorlak & LaunchpadMcQ (2)
cabot .264 .372
FluxWaveZ .788 .1083
*Splinter .792 .802
Blargonaut .814 .1081
Giant Panda .1045
batsnacks .1230
Kyanrute & Retroid (1)
*Splinter .751 .792
*Splinter .802 .992
Sophia .852 .888
Flame_AC .917
batsnacks .1149 .1230
FluxWaveZ & Timeaisis (1)
Coppanuva .279 .484
*Splinter .295 .297
*Splinter .301 .387
Camjo-Z .319
Rest .434 .921
*Splinter .444 .451
LaunchpadMcQ .796 .1056
UltraJay .864 .1254
Ty4on .880 .1202
El Topo & Giant Panda (1)
cabot .388 .1029
Gorlak .842 .1128
*Splinter .992
CzarTim & NeverForever (1)
Coppanuva .484 .487
Coppanuva .487 .551
Karu .749
No Lynch (1)
Retroid .1145
Coppanuva & Flame_AC (1)
batsnacks .393 .1149
*Splinter .451 .751
FluxWaveZ .537 .616
Hyperactivity .542
Ty4on .689 .880
*Splinter & cabot (0)
kingkitty .267 .386
Gorlak .401 .842
batsnacks & MagnumBoy20xx (0)
Flame_AC .559 .917
Karu & Rest (0)
FluxWaveZ .257 .432
Sophia .888 .1032
Camjo-Z & TL21xx (0)
Coppanuva .727 .844
Karkador & Zippedpinhead (0)
FluxWaveZ .432 .537
FluxWaveZ .616 .788
Coppanuva .844 .900
Giant Panda .966 .1045
No active vote for Day 1:
Coppanuva (has previously voted)
El Topo
MagnumBoy20xx
Sophia (has previously voted)
Timeaisis
TL21xx
UltraJay (has previously voted)
Day 1 ends:
16 votes for majority
Hyperactivity & kingkitty (8)
CzarTim .669
Never Forever .920
Kawl_USC .934
Boo Boo'n .1025
Kyanrute .1033
LaunchpadMcQ .1121
Gorlak .1128
Ty4on .1202
Boo Boo'n & UltraJay (2)
kingkitty .532
cabot .1030
Sophia & Ty4on (2)
Blargonaut .1081
FluxWaveZ .1083
Blargonaut & Kawl_USC (2)
Karkador .733
Zippedpinhead .789
Gorlak & LaunchpadMcQ (2)
Giant Panda .1045
batsnacks .1230
Kyanrute & Retroid (1)
Flame_AC .917
FluxWaveZ & Timeaisis (1)
Camjo-Z .319
El Topo & Giant Panda (1)
*Splinter .992
CzarTim & NeverForever (1)
Karu .749
No Lynch (1)
Retroid .1145
Coppanuva & Flame_AC (1)
Hyperactivity .542
*Splinter & cabot (0)
batsnacks & MagnumBoy20xx (0)
Karu & Rest (0)
Camjo-Z & TL21xx (0)
Karkador & Zippedpinhead (0)
No active vote for Day 1:
Coppanuva (has previously voted)
El Topo
MagnumBoy20xx
Sophia (has previously voted)
Timeaisis
TL21xx
UltraJay (has previously voted)
Day 1 ends:
16 votes for majority
Hyperactivity
Banned
Just want to inform you all that dearest Kitty will most likely be out of commission for the rest of the day
I dunno, that's certainly what this argument looks like.
And I would certainly be using his script if all my posting weren't from mobile. It's there to use, would be silly to ignore it.
And no it's not alignment indicative, nor has he or anyone ever tried to push that. I think he posted or before the game even started? Or as his very first post? You're argument that he spent time on a script that should have been time spent scumhunting is god awful.
How long would that last for? They've claimed an actual PR. They start getting things wrong/claiming they're constantly being blocked then they're gonna die.
I mean specific reads from day 1 are pants, but the line of thinking that are put through them are very useful. People aren't specifically looking for your views on all players, they're examining your thought process behind them, it tends to be very different if you're town trying to figure everything out against scum who have a significant information advantage early on. Think about it.
Again, this is day 1. Of course there will be over analysing. It doesn't excuse you're relative lack of action and thoughts. There's been so little from you in terms of game chatter. What benefit does talking about the pros and cons of day one have over actually talking about the game itself?
It's easy to talk mechanics and meta and such, because its high level and you don't need to talk about things you may know more about (such as you know, the other players)
I'm really struggling to positively read you and Kyan, but stuff like you choosing to vote No Lynch is making me uncertain you're scum. Neutral maybe?
Kyan has also got a bid of a blender vibe going on, pointing to something other than town.
I don't know how this specifically reads alignment wise, but if I was your partner and you behaved like this Flux, I'd be pretty fuckin angry. You're lovers, not masons. There's a shared responsibility because you die together. Your reckless actions have completely ignored what Time wanted and now apparently you just want to pull the pin off the grenade and see the results.
To do this as scum would be absolutely insane, so I'm still leaning town on you two, but this is pretty selfish play in a game where you need to work with your partner.
I dunno man, he's playing the expendability card pretty hard here.
"Look how unconcerned by death I am, such a very townie trait amiright guys?"
I still don't care about this until tomorrow though. Flux stop hogging the limelight pls
Some thoughts :
- FluxWaveZ and Timeaisis
Throwing the vote on Flame_AC and Coppanuva. Surprised at the number of votes on Hyper/Kitty.
VOTE: Flame_AC
- FluxWaveZ and Timeaisis
- First day, interested to see where the claim goes, don't see the benefit
- Claims cop that sees role name, not alignment (interesting?)
- Seem uncoordinated
- Neutral (Will wait for more)
- \*Splinter and cabot- Claims cop that sees role name, not alignment (interesting?)
- Seem uncoordinated
- Neutral (Will wait for more)
- REALLY active, good discussion points
- Bringing up good potential reasoning for actions
- Most towny pair
- Hyperactivity and kingkitty- Bringing up good potential reasoning for actions
- Most towny pair
- Some good reasoning
- Neutral
- Flame_AC and Coppanuva- Neutral
- Flame seems pushy/aggressive, threatening votes pretty early on, pushing for day 1 lynch like there is no other option
- Bad vibes here
- Camjo-Z and TL21xx- Bad vibes here
- Not sure, seems to have similar mindset?
- Neutral
- Blargonaut and Kawl_USC- Neutral
- First day, interested to see where the claim goes
- Claims miller and tracker
- Seem very coordinated
- Neutral (Will wait for more)
- Gorlak and LaunchPadMcQ- Claims miller and tracker
- Seem very coordinated
- Neutral (Will wait for more)
- Seemed to adapt to the game throughout the day (responding to peoples discussion)
- Zippedpinhead and Karkador- No thoughts here
- Karu and Rest- No thoughts here
- Sophia and Ty4on- No thoughts here
- MagnumBoy20xx and batsnacks- Aggressive, but with good intentions, don't really agree necessarily
- Good analysis/thought process
- Town vibes
- Giant Panda and El Topo- Good analysis/thought process
- Town vibes
- Nothing significant of note
- CzarTim and Never Forever- No thoughts here
- Boo Boo'n and UltraJay- Nothing significant of note
Throwing the vote on Flame_AC and Coppanuva. Surprised at the number of votes on Hyper/Kitty.
VOTE: Flame_AC
I didn't really pick anything up on my re-read, I will look over their posts specifically quickly. I am going to go to bed after this as it's very late.
Hmm, ok thanks.
In light of the recent discussions on So4ia this feels a little like playing it safe. Specifically you seem to have similar thought in me/Cabot but come to a very different conclusion.
I should have asked about Kark too, he's said enough by now that a null read stands out.
Also I know you're gone for now but could you explain what you meant on your Launchpad read? I'm not sure what conclusion you draw from that comment
Apparently my vote is on El Topo. Not the worst choice, but...
VOTE: Boo Boo'n
I'm worried about the quiet piling onto Hyperkitty, and as far as I can see Boo never even pretended to justify this.
Is this really the last post from Boo??
VOTE: Boo Boo'n
I'm worried about the quiet piling onto Hyperkitty, and as far as I can see Boo never even pretended to justify this.
He did reply:
Yes he posted in that order, I was confused as to why he asked me why I kept the vote on him first before clarifying the drive by vote, the reason I put the vote on him.
Yes he posted in that order, I was confused as to why he asked me why I kept the vote on him first before clarifying the drive by vote, the reason I put the vote on him.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I'm not sure I have any confidence in my vote. There's at least one pair that stands out to me right now, but I'm positive I won't get any traction on it and all it'll do is make me look bad, regardless of how Hyper kitty flips. Let's get this lynch out of the way.
I guess we won't be seeing a last minute role claim from them, huh?
I guess we won't be seeing a last minute role claim from them, huh?
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I'm just going to resolve to face the consequences of this lynch, whatever they may be.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Oh, wait, I meant that because there's a high chance I'll be busy through the day end. :/
Would you say it would make you look more or less bad than this statement?
That sounds sarcastic but isn't. What I get from this post is that you are suspicious of someone, but "looking good" takes priority over lynching or at least pressuring them.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Well, would it make you feel better if I said it was you and cabot? I'm just saying, I like you guys more for a lynch. I'm not going to get those votes before day end. I'm not certain enough that HyperKitty is not mafia and moving my vote could make me look suspicious if they flip any which way.
But alright, you've made your point. I have a bad habit of going meta on myself, and you're seeing something to read into there that isn't really there.
VOTE: *Splinter
I'm not a fan of the way you two have been controlling the flow of the thread.
Other than that... did you ever adress your super non-committal preliminary read-list?
Because I would like to hear your remaining thoughts.
So you're thinking is kill a name cop as punishment for claiming early? Seems a bit of a classic 'cutting nose off to spite face' situation. Do you see scum there? If no, Then why should we policy lynch a claim?
Launch just let it out, it's not productive to sort of tip toe around the issue. Shit or get off the pot. You worrying about putting your opinion out there is scummy.
I expected this, you've been clear before which doesn't explain why you suddenly were weary,
Not much else I have to say on this but if you want to kill some of the most active players on D1, then I think thats stupid and hope more people come from my line of thinking than yours.
Unless you think we're some sort of super scum that has an ability that must be stopped on D1, fair enough.
Why? Not satisfied with letting us get killed by Mafia tonight, you'd rather lynch us yourself?
You hinted at this earlier and I asked you about it and I think you ended up saying it was more of a tone thing. Could you be more specific about how they're controlling the thread? Some examples would be good.
Citation needed.
Most discussed topic of the day is Fluxtime, something both Cabot and myself have stated we aren't particularly interested in until tomorrow.
Current vote leader is HyperKitty. Our opinions here have ranged from "mildly town" to "very mildly scum", and at this point I'm arguably defending them.
Yeah, I'll give you that; it's gonna meet some hurdles soon. On the other hand, an SK is dealing with possibility of their presence being apparent after N1.
Even if it's wrong, I wanted to put the idea out there.
It's because I saw Timeaisis in the thread and felt like he's the guy who has barely commented on his pair's ordeal. He's coming off like he has no idea WTF is going on. It's hard to believe.
I do wish he'd post more, but he's mostly been good about coming around our chat and answering my lists of speculation. I figure he just has more of a life than I do, although he seems to play every single one of these gafia games.
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1) Fair enough, bringing up potential outcomes to situations and discussing it openly in the thread is pro-town, no complaint here.
2) Again, bringing it all back to TimeFlux when I've decided to kick the can down the line is unfortunate, but your reasoning is solid. Time has been oddly aloof about it all, and you did get him to be a bit more specific.
3) This is where you whisper sweet nothings in his ear so he gets the confidence to post more, you're still a decent town read for me in the game so far. God knows I have misread zipped in the past but he should be throwing his words down.
Role-claiming as the cop on D1 is probably the worst play possible for town. The following is a brief train of thought I gave Panda:
1)He is the cop. In that case he would have made the worst play possible. Very hard to believe, even if he is only a "name cop".
2)He is town, but not the cop. In that case he has caused a lot of chaos, which is generally advantageous to mafia. They have a group chat, can plan and coordinate their actions. Further complication due to miller/tracker claim. He also draws attention from power roles in general, which is again not good, not to mention the risk of causing the actual cop to slip up. Also causes problems as the game goes on. Very risky gambit.
3)He is not town. Very risky gambit.
All options seem problematic to me. When the best explanation I can come up with is "the gambit is so bad they cannot be scum/neutral", that's...problematic. I don't know. I...guess it is unlikely that they are scum, although I really have no good read on them and I don't think I have a good track record when it comes to reading people. I'd like to hear Panda's opinion on this, or maybe someone can go through all the possible scenarios to assess whether or not lynching Flux/Time is reasonable.
Simple Ctrl-V
Simple Ctrl-V
Take a simple Ctrl-V
That's how easy reads can be
Simple Ctrl-V
Take a simple Ctrl-V
That's how easy reads can be
I have no idea what happened either...
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Uh, yeah, this reasoning is what's stupid. You're saying that I should leave active scum alive, just because they are active? I mean, it even sounds like you're admitting to it.
For you, Splinter, I would say that even though Fluxtime has been the topic of discussusion, you two have been directing how that has unfolded. Yet, very keen to keep yourselves from the majorities when it comes to voting - distancing yourselves for when the players flip town, perhaps?
so option 2 will most likely be confirmed on D2, because frankly even if they are rolebocked and are the legit name cop, quite obviously we'll flip them because their use to us is zero at that point, and the flip would clear up all the noise of today.
For option 3, I'm very inconsistent with reads but in a game that is effectively 15 people, 3 (max 4) are scum and to pull this gambit off as scum considering these circumstances......I just don't see that happening. it's absolutely batshit. The cub theory is the only thing I can see where this .......could make sense (doesnt make sense on D1 tho) but I'm not confident that is the case.
Here's my thinking for option 1 (which currently I believe):
a) Terrible play. Completely agreed.
b) they target someone N1
c) if they die, we know what they are on flip and mafia didnt want the risk of the name cop check, which implies
i) loveless is in their role name
ii) There probably isn't another cop if that's the case
d) they do a n1 check, they survive and claim it. This is probably the most vague option, because it depends on the results what happens next.
e) They do a n1 check, claim its blocked. I'd probably flip TimeFlux in this situation, as said it ends all this shit from D1, removing noise and it would also confirm some form of block or switch which would be very likely scum aligned.
This gives you a better idea of why I don't want to kill TimeFlux today.
Who else would you lynch if not TimeFlux? there has to be some other suspicious targets you're considering.
Just checking in to say I'm here and should be available through day's end in case there are some last minute swings or a need to break a tie. Otherwise, I'm glad to see some of the lower activity people have posted more, even if their contributions haven't been mind blowing that's understandable for D1. Nothing has been particularly noteworthy enough to change my vote. I'm content to let it ride on HyperKitty barring shenanigans, and see what TimeFlux can offer us D2. They come up blank in terms of a name and I will 100% be pushing for them as my top target.
No if you want me to give you the list of what we've done so far in this game it'll probably look like the behaviours you'd expect of a townie.
I didn't think I'd have to go that far.
I'm also weary of your behaviour so far that if you actually got us to flip on this day phase, you'd not be very helpful to everyone else afterwards because you're dead wrong and I suspect you'd lose a lot of confidence in yourself.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Am I somehow supposed to be able to divine what your role is?
And you're getting a little jumpy there. The reason we're having this discussion is because I probably wouldn't have been able to get the votes to lynch you; nobody is really stacked against you, yet. However, you're making yourself look pretty suspicious since I brought you guys up again..
I'm sorry this is just a difference of opinion, I said it myself earlier in the thread, if I see players that are showing to be scummy on D1, but I know them to be active/they've been active so far then I will spare them because D1 is an absolute mess of noise and guesses.
I said it about you and Gorlak. I found you both scummy but I said I'd hold off until later because you're both going to be around, and if you suddenly drop off then its more suspicious. I do lean more town on you specifically now though, despite your misguided opinion.
This is all related to Woof 2, which lost three of the top posters in a single night phase, and everything went to shit afterwards. This is why I don't want to waste active players early, when information is scarce. This is why I hit the less active/hard to read people.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
You say it's a difference of opinion, as if you respect it, then you call it misguided because you don't agree.
Frankly, I don't care what happened in Woof 2 because I wasn't in Woof 2. If I were, I would be saying the same thing now - I don't care how active you are. I'm here to catch scum, not serve a better play environment. however much good it can do, it can cause just as much bad (see NX, Sorian). So, yeah, I'm going to disagree with your opinion - and I want to lynch your lying ass.
and on that note
VOTE: Coppanuva
Started strong (and scummy), got heat, then went into hiding. Right now they're scummy AND hardly contributing.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Don't make me raise my voice.