You say it's a difference of opinion, as if you respect it, then you call it misguided because you don't agree.
Frankly, I don't care what happened in Woof 2 because I wasn't in Woof 2. If I were, I would be saying the same thing now - I don't care how active you are. I'm here to catch scum, not serve a better play environment. however much good it can do, it can cause just as much bad (see NX, Sorian). So, yeah, I'm going to disagree with your opinion - and I want to lynch your lying ass.
It's misguided because it's wrong. I don't know what else it is. You obviously don't know that yet, but I do.
My point was you better be damn sure I'm scum, because losing two active people this early is definitely a mistake. The evidence you have given is flimsy at best.
I'm sticking on UltraBooBoo myself. I plan to go over Ultra's post before deadline to make a full judgement.
It's misguided because it's wrong. I don't know what else it is. You obviously don't know that yet, but I do.
My point was you better be damn sure I'm scum, because losing two active people this early is definitely a mistake. The evidence you have given is flimsy at best.
I'm sticking on UltraBooBoo myself. I plan to go over Ultra's post before deadline to make a full judgement.
I don't know what I've touched on to make you act all erratically, but it's making you look more suspicious. You're saying that my "evidence", which I put in quotes because I have barely any in the first place, is flimsy and you don't bother to see yours is just as bad if not worse because I've actually referenced a game you're familiar with.
Sorry, cabot, you may genuinely be acting town's best interest, but you're definitely not showing it.
I don't know what I've touched on to make you act all erratically, but it's making you look more suspicious. You're saying that my "evidence", which I put in quotes because I have barely any in the first place, is flimsy and you don't bother to see yours is just as bad if not worse because I've actually referenced a game you're familiar with.
Sorry, cabot, you may genuinely be acting town's best interest, but you're definitely not showing it.
what's my evidence? I gave you a reason for my D1 voting behaviour. There's no evidence required. It isn't being used against anyone. It's explaining a playstyle.
It's too obvious. Launch + Gorlak, Coppanuva + Flame...
When is it that scum actually turn out to be the ones who act "the most scummy" on D1? None of the above pairings are good lynch candidates.
The ones who've turned out to be scum on D1 in the previous games I've played here were those who posted moderately, or those who posted very little. Those who posted the most and were also scum were rare.
And while this could be faulty logic as a result of WIFOM (I think that's the term), I still find myself believing that's the case here. Flame and Coppanuva, in particular, don't strike me as good candidates right now. Prodding a bunch of people, getting called out, then scaling things back? Too telegraphed.
Gorlak and Launchpad aren't good, either. Those who are causing the most friction on D1 will lean more towards town than scum. Especially when it's people who are experience with Mafia.
The teams that are coasting, without putting too much suspicion on themselves and contributing here and there with reads that everyone can nod their heads to and trying to subtly divert attention away from themselves by pointing at other people instead.
I heavily think it's one of these teams that should be the lynch focus of D1. I'll be looking into one of these before the deadline and voting on them.
Go ahead, this all looks like bluster to me. I don't know why you're doing it, but my love already said we won't be voting you today so I'll worry about it tomorrow.
No active vote for Day 1:
Coppanuva (has previously voted)
El Topo
MagnumBoy20xx
Sophia (has previously voted)
Timeaisis
TL21xx
UltraJay (has previously voted)
I generally agree with that opinion, Flux. It seems a little too late to do anything but discuss at this point, but NF/Tim have jumped out at me before.
I generally agree with that opinion, Flux. It seems a little too late to do anything but discuss at this point, but NF/Tim have jumped out at me before.
Doctor would be wasting their timeassuming we even have oneand potentially endangering themselves if scum have an investigative role that can spot them out by trying to protect us. If we're going to be dying on D2 anyways, it'd be better for them to maintain their cover so they can protect more useful teams in the future.
For option 3, I'm very inconsistent with reads but in a game that is effectively 15 people, 3 (max 4) are scum and to pull this gambit off as scum considering these circumstances......I just don't see that happening. it's absolutely batshit. The cub theory is the only thing I can see where this .......could make sense (doesnt make sense on D1 tho) but I'm not confident that is the case.
We have to consider that even though mafia has 3-4 roles, they still have 6-8 people in the game.
While Town relies a bit more on mechanics to get information a D verify claims, mafia's power is really in how they coordinate and shape the conversation- it's independent of their role power. We're dealing with a lot of wolves out here.
Doctor would be wasting their timeassuming we even have oneand potentially endangering themselves if scum have an investigative role that can spot them out by trying to protect us. If we're going to be dying on D2 anyways, it'd be better for them to maintain their cover so they can protect more useful teams in the future.
I was sick as a dog yesterday, just got off 12 hours of sleep to check the thread.
I think kawl/blarg and flux/time have set themselves up as role magnets. People are going to want to use their abilities to investigate and "prove" or murder them. This opens up a slew of other problems. What is scum has a watcher? What's the likelihood of them actually being that role (not much)?
Personally it wouldn't surprise me if one of them was a bulletproof insomniac.
I was sick as a dog yesterday, just got off 12 hours of sleep to check the thread.
I think kawl/blarg and flux/time have set themselves up as role magnets. People are going to want to use their abilities to investigate and "prove" or murder them. This opens up a slew of other problems. What is scum has a watcher? What's the likelihood of them actually being that role (not much)?
Personally it wouldn't surprise me if one of them was a bulletproof insomniac.
So you think they intentionally claimed for attention? In that case, are you for or against lynching one of them? Your vote is on one right now, yet your post makes it sound like you think they're playing for attention to benefit someone. I'm not seeing the lining up.
Me and Tim have been busy for Day 1, but I think the quality of our contributions when we have checked in has been far higher than those of BooJay and Retroid/Kyanrute, at the very least, and if you're looking for coasters they're really the people you should be going after.
I apologise that we don't have the super high post counts you're looking for, considering that that's clearly the metric by which these things are judged.
We have to consider that even though mafia has 3-4 roles, they still have 6-8 people in the game.
While Town relies a bit more on mechanics to get information a D verify claims, mafia's power is really in how they coordinate and shape the conversation- it's independent of their role power. We're dealing with a lot of wolves out here.
I was sick as a dog yesterday, just got off 12 hours of sleep to check the thread.
I think kawl/blarg and flux/time have set themselves up as role magnets. People are going to want to use their abilities to investigate and "prove" or murder them. This opens up a slew of other problems. What is scum has a watcher? What's the likelihood of them actually being that role (not much)?
Personally it wouldn't surprise me if one of them was a bulletproof insomniac.
It's too obvious. Launch + Gorlak, Coppanuva + Flame...
When is it that scum actually turn out to be the ones who act "the most scummy" on D1? None of the above pairings are good lynch candidates.
The ones who've turned out to be scum on D1 in the previous games I've played here were those who posted moderately, or those who posted very little. Those who posted the most and were also scum were rare.
And while this could be faulty logic as a result of WIFOM (I think that's the term), I still find myself believing that's the case here. Flame and Coppanuva, in particular, don't strike me as good candidates right now. Prodding a bunch of people, getting called out, then scaling things back? Too telegraphed.
Since you disagree I wondered if you could answer for each other?
Flux' post is long, but I find it a bit vague in places. Like what do you mean by "too telegraphed" and what makes Coppa and Flame stand out? I don't think either of them attempted to start the day with controversial opinions.
Splinter's is vague. Does the "strong" apply to both? If so they acted differently with Flame taking a stronger stance, though both were consistent in prodding people with a question in most posts.
Me and Tim have been busy for Day 1, but I think the quality of our contributions when we have checked in has been far higher than those of BooJay and Retroid/Kyanrute, at the very least, and if you're looking for coasters they're really the people you should be going after.
I apologise that we don't have the super high post counts you're looking for, considering that that's clearly the metric by which these things are judged.
This is like how I acted when I was scum in Werewolf 2. You guys aren't above suspicion, and pointing the finger to another team is weak defense for your own.
Especially you, Never Forever. Your behavior has been like you're a confirmed Townie and everyone should know it this whole time.
Since you disagree I wondered if you could answer for each other?
Flux' post is long, but I find it a bit vague in places. Like what do you mean by "too telegraphed" and what makes Coppa and Flame stand out? I don't think either of them attempted to start the day with controversial opinions.
Splinter's is vague. Does the "strong" apply to both? If so they acted differently with Flame taking a stronger stance, though both were consistent in prodding people with a question in most posts.
And it's vague because that's the whole point: there's nothing obvious about the people who would be playing scum. Their entire playstyle would inherently be "vague." Just like yours right now, by playing Devil's advocate in a way to either implicate and/or defend the Flame/Coppa team, while simultaneously trying to question us.
This is like how I acted when I was scum in Werewolf 2. You guys aren't above suspicion, and pointing the finger to another team is weak defense for your own.
Especially you, Never Forever. Your behavior has been like you're a confirmed Townie and everyone should know it this whole time.
People tend to over defend themselves, especially on day one since it's when we're most unsure of our reads yet know for sure our own alignment. I could jump in and defend myself at every little snipe thrown at me this game, some of which has been blatantly untrue, but that doesn't get me closer to lynching scum. And engaging in a slap fight with someone I suspect is town is just distracting for everyone else.
Your case is that we are middle of the road posters, and therefore scum. There's litterally no response I can make there. We have been middle of the road, we just aren't scum.
I'm voting for the team I think is most likely to flip scum, that's the best I can do here.
I come back from my birthday steak dinner to see nothing has really changed. It's disappointing because I'm not really sold on HyperKitty but it looks like they aren't offering any kind of defense at all. Getting nothing from them before a lynch isn't going to be helpful at all.
This doesn't feel right. Don't know if HyperKitty should be the lynch target for today. Then again, don't know if they've even been helpful at all so far. I'm going to look at Hyper's page of notes (because why not) as well as the votes that are currently on them.
CoppaFlame: the consensus is that they have been acting strangely though it appeared normal to me. It is true that they have backed off from posting recently which is NOT normal for Coppa. Lynch target status: Viable
TimeFlux and Blawl: Need to see what they do. Hopefully we get something out of it. Lynch target status: Abort
NeverTim: Need to look at their posts to see why votes are flocking to them. Lynch target status: Pending
RetroKyan: No thoughts here. No thoughts here. No thoughts here. On your read list Retro. Even for me and Boo? Have you not seen how my beau has been acting? (Hint: Not well.) Lynch target status: Viable
El Topo and whoever: Whine whine whine. I caught up 9 pages (100ppp) over 2 and a half hours then went to bed with the sun coming up. Probably shouldn't have, butt love it, whatever. Lynch target status: Viable
BooJay: I didn't do us any favors forgetting there was a game on, but after coming back Boo made some pretty bad posts. That post consisting of a single vote was bad. I can see why people have their votes on us. Our lynching won't hurt town tremendously. Plus if mafia kills us it won't give you much information given that our current status makes us an easy kill, unlikely to be watched, protected, or really give any incriminating evidence.
Unless mafia have their votes on us right now, though you'd think they jump onto HyperKitty.
BooJay: I didn't do us any favors forgetting there was a game on, but after coming back Boo made some pretty bad posts. That post consisting of a single vote was bad. I can see why people have their votes on us. Our lynching won't hurt town tremendously. Plus if mafia kills us it won't give you much information given that our current status makes us an easy kill, unlikely to be watched, protected, or really give any incriminating evidence.
Unless mafia have their votes on us right now, though you'd think they jump onto HyperKitty.
Missed this in my catching up (only noticed it due to Ty4on quoting). Sorry you saw me as "hiding" yesterday, I just had a lot of urgent work that needed doing and didn't have much time to post. I had a few, but I didn't quite have the time to go through posts for my usual prod so that dropped off. I also haven't been posting this morning since it's just now only 6:50am where I live. If you call having life obligations "hiding" then by your definition I was.
That said, the past's the past and we need to look at voting right now. I'm not so sure I agree with my partner's stance on Retroid and Kyan, since he placed it there when I wasn't able to follow the game closely enough to argue against it, and he seems to be gone the rest of the phase.
While I could see a few reasons for the Kyanroid vote (that too safe reads list from Kyan, them not contributing too heavily), I don't think people interacted with them enough during the day to make that the best "Low contributor" lynch if we go for that. Looking at the vote counters at least we have a few interesting options. I'm going with this one:
BooJay- UltraJay came in WAY late, and Boo used that as a reason he had trouble contributing early on. Personally I don't agree with that being a good reason (he's played games here before where you don't get teammates, you can easily contribute solo). He then jumped into the HyperKitty vote right in the middle of the pack. His post actually started another wave of people slowly jumping on to them, giving them quite a few more posts. I think we stand to gain more information based on how people interacted with them than we do from Retroid/Kyan.
Terrabyte from Werewolf 2 was self-deprecating on D1 and said that he would see himself as a great lynch target if he was anyone else due to his performance (or lack thereof). This is what caused Swamped (the Town vigilante) to shoot him on N1. Lo and behold, he was scum.
