LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Not to see how they react, just so they get out in front of future suspicions if that ever falls on them naturally. You introduce an element of doubt, where people don't want to risk lynching you if you're useful.
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Love Boat [Mafia] |OT| Till Death Do Us Part
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Not to see how they react, just so they get out in front of future suspicions if that ever falls on them naturally. You introduce an element of doubt, where people don't want to risk lynching you if you're useful.
Half of these points are not objective at all. It's just conjecture that you're selling as an actual data point. Come on, man
cabot, I am here! Not gonna deliver as you hope however.
Well it took me two days but I am all caught up. Seriously are we aiming for Gafias first two topic game? Or has that all ready happened...?
So th first day was a pain to follow after the fact, not gonna lie. The second day has been easier to look at.
So mainly focusing on Kark or Blarg (the shipper names haven't sunk in). I've been more trusting of Blarg since day 2 but it really is just that. A gut feeling. Maybe I'm susceptible to mega posts as it's an uninterrupted stream of one players thoughts but I was leaning towards trusting Blarg over Kark before that point anyway. That said I don't really feel Kark is scum either, but again it's all just gut. I've read so much this last two days that it's kind of hard to process. I am probably inclined to vote out Timeasis and his partner (sorry, the names escape me!!) based of the day one shenanigans more so than Kark or Blarg.
Well it took me two days but I am all caught up. Seriously are we aiming for Gafias first two topic game? Or has that all ready happened...?
So th first day was a pain to follow after the fact, not gonna lie. The second day has been easier to look at.
So mainly focusing on Kark or Blarg (the shipper names haven't sunk in). I've been more trusting of Blarg since day 2 but it really is just that. A gut feeling. Maybe I'm susceptible to mega posts as it's an uninterrupted stream of one players thoughts but I was leaning towards trusting Blarg over Kark before that point anyway. That said I don't really feel Kark is scum either, but again it's all just gut. I've read so much this last two days that it's kind of hard to process. I am probably inclined to vote out Timeasis and his partner (sorry, the names escape me!!) based of the day one shenanigans more so than Kark or Blarg.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I've justified my post 48+ hours ago.
Blargonaut
Banned
It is an objective proposal because I have bothered to include concession for your POV and the merit in your accusations, right beside my own counter-accusations against you. I tried to take a step back from ourselves and look at our conflict from a bystander's perspective.
I don't disagree, but you want objective data in a mafia game?
True, but this is like, seriously imagined friendships between people...and it's fine it you want to theorize a 'maybe', but this is being pitched as "5 things vs 2 things", which is disinfenuous.
I feel like I've hardly even acknowledged Splinter and cabot, though Zipped and I have discussed them. To be described as "extremely chummy" is crazy. I would expect that accusation for perhaps Launch and I, since we had a few friendly exchanges.
Blargonaut
Banned
Also, please, would at least one or two people kindly unvote us for now? All it takes is someone as inconsiderate and/or apparently overwhelmed as Launch to swoop in and hammer us in a TURBO drive-by.
Please, just give me the courtesy of the last day to defend ourselves, after I had taken the past 2 to build our case in our defense. Please.
Please, just give me the courtesy of the last day to defend ourselves, after I had taken the past 2 to build our case in our defense. Please.
Zippedpinhead
Member
Blarg, this is hardly a turbo. It's just the day ending early.
You and Flux/Cabinter I agree, but I have felt a weird connection between Flux and and Cabinter before Blawl brought it up.
It can be looked into or prodded the next day. I don't see a definitive yes or no on them, based on whatever Flux would flip.
Yes, your 5 leads are what I was referring to when I said I don't think lynching Flux earlier gives us any particular benefits. Points 1 and 2 aren't necessarily any more helpful if they happen now rather than later, Point 3 doesn't really matter since you're currently being lynched anyway, Point 4 is true but the fact that they'll eventually have to be confronted doesn't mean it has to take precedence over this. And Point 5 is the one I said could potentially be helpful, but probably won't be due to shenanigans.
Basically, I don't see how the connections we'll make between players if we lynch Flux now won't still apply if we lynch Flux later. We're getting them faster, sure, but is that really all that helpful in the long run, especially when we'd have to keep either you or Kark (one of whom is an all-but-confirmed maf) alive another day?
15 locked in votes that can be scrutinized
The upside is that, if town is convinced they have found scum, it's better to turbo immediately instead of scum finding a way to worm themselves out of a lynch and divert the majority of the votes to a townie team. The more time progresses, the less people feel strongly about their votes, and the more compelled they are to place it on another team, especially when we're dealing with at least 6 Loveless who can subtly influence the course of things.
The 5 leads is nonsense Blarg. We can only lynch one couple per day, and you're trying to push this 5 weak reads over the slam dunk that we'd get if you flipped town (and would in turn lead to those same other leads in due course.
But you aren't going to flip town, because if you were you'd have pushed for Kark's lynch or accepted your own. There absolutely no justification for anyone to be voting outside of the counter claimants. That's a guaranteed scum in a pool of 2 players, and anyone still trying to weasel the discussion elsewhere is top of my shit list.
But you aren't going to flip town, because if you were you'd have pushed for Kark's lynch or accepted your own. There absolutely no justification for anyone to be voting outside of the counter claimants. That's a guaranteed scum in a pool of 2 players, and anyone still trying to weasel the discussion elsewhere is top of my shit list.
Blargonaut
Banned
I don't even understand anymore why people are letting you and Time walk. Your gameplay has been so unbelievably bad since D1; you claim Name Cop, you shoo away Doctors and helper power roles, you keep telling us how you and your partner are one of the most uncoordinated pairs and that you don't discuss anything together, you live through N1 and D2 you apparently confess that you lied about your role claim, and then people still defend you for this?
You are the most slippery WIFOM fuckery I have ever encountered in a game and I am in awe.
We know we have more than 50% players intent on lynching Blarg. I'd propose we agree not to change today's vote and simply continue discussion. That really shouldn't be so hard to grasp. I had a perfectly fine conversation with Cam earlier, I was able to probe him and improve my read of him without voting.
Welcome.
I didn't do the underlined, though; that's everyone else. People kept asking me about how we converse in our private chat and so I answer.
Zippedpinhead
Member
So to everyone else who is not posting and not voting...
Why don't you want to vote or post?
That's the whole game, vote or post. Most posts come at the beginning of the day and within the last 30 minutes. Why wait four days to post?
Why don't you want to vote or post?
That's the whole game, vote or post. Most posts come at the beginning of the day and within the last 30 minutes. Why wait four days to post?
As we know, things don't often go that smoothly.
Splint. The closer we get to day end, the more likely people are going to drop out of the Blarg vote, because chaos will come up and people looking to slide out of the commitment will slide.
If we go into D3 with a presumed 24 players, and we have 15 votes from today locked in, we have more to work with on D3
Maybe I'm being too optimistic, but I can't believe we'd be foolish enough to deviate when the vote could have been reached several times already. It's only by courtesy and now pragmatism that the day is still going.
I or someone else could hammer right now, and the other 14 voters would have no say in it. Write those 14 names down if you must, they are "commited", whatever that means.
I'm not voting because I don't agree with your assessment that these are the only 15 names that matter.
Is anyone actually concerned that the vote would move from this point? I just don't believe it
Please, I've been on Blarg all day. This is ridiculous and you know it.
Look what my vote is worth in a vacuum:
VOTE: cabot
True. After all, there's never been a game of Mafia where a seemingly surefire vote went to shit at the last second because people got cold feet!
el topo & giant panda (0)
cabot
cabot
launchpadmcq & gorlak (1)
giant panda
ultrajay
coppanuva
kingkitty & hyperactivity (0)
cabot
timeaisis & fluxwavez (1)
gorlak
coppanuva
blargonaut
fluxwavez
camjo-z
blargonaut
tl21xx
blargonaut
magnumboy20xx & batsnacks (0)
flame_ac
ty4on
*splinter & cabot (2)
launchpadmcq
ty4on
*splinter
blargonaut & kawl_usc (14)
karkador
zippedpinhead
flame_ac
hyperactivity
*splinter
timeaisis
camjo-z
tl21xx
launchpadmcq
kyanrute
ultrajay
retroid
fluxwavez
ultrajay
camjo-z
fluxwavez
batsnacks
cabot
hobohodo & ty4on (0)
cabot
cabot
cabot
fluxwavez
coppanuva & flame_ac (1)
dusk soldier
karkador & zippedpinhead (1)
gorlak
ty4on
blargonaut
karu
15 Votes Needed for Majority
launchpadmcq & gorlak (1)
giant panda
kingkitty & hyperactivity (0)
timeaisis & fluxwavez (1)
blargonaut
magnumboy20xx & batsnacks (0)
*splinter & cabot (2)
ty4on
*splinter
blargonaut & kawl_usc (14)
karkador
zippedpinhead
flame_ac
hyperactivity
timeaisis
tl21xx
launchpadmcq
kyanrute
retroid
ultrajay
camjo-z
fluxwavez
batsnacks
cabot
hobohodo & ty4on (0)
coppanuva & flame_ac (1)
dusk soldier
karkador & zippedpinhead (1)
karu
15 Votes Needed for Majority
If that happens you'll actually have some voting data to look at.
If it helps you sleep easy I will vote Blawl if the majority moves* to anyone else and I'm online.
*Approaches. To make it specific it's ~75% of the votes.
Blargonaut
Banned
1. Timeflux backed down from their Name Cop role claim. There is no more apparent game-mechanical conflict with our Miller claim anymore. Our claim should garner validity from this.
2. Consider that there are scum hiding in this easy bussing of the claimed Miller. Both Kark x Zipped, Timeflux, *Splint and Cabot and Launch x Gorlak (?, I have to double-check this) have implored you all to end this day as fast possible. If you lynch Timeflux instead of us, you directly take care of a much more massive WIFOM problem than Team BLAWL (who are on almost equal terms with Kark x Zipped as we are both Tracker claimants; the only reason it is so convenient to lynch us instead of Timeflux is because of our Miller claim, but what is more scummy; We claimed to be a Miller/Tracker, dropping the first hint on D2 that we got results in seeing Kark x Zip visit us too but we kept that discreet in the light of no NK's occuring last Night as we thought they could have been the Doctor responsible, then Kark x Zip voluntarily revealed themselves, essentially stealing our Tracker role claim from us saying that he's the "real one" even though WE were first to hint that the N1 visit was mutual and therefore had to be between Trackers in the first place, then accusing us of being scum and a necessary lynch for our Miller claim despite it being a pro-Town move we had to do given the role we had? Or the pair claiming to be a Role Name Cop, saying that Flux dropped the claim without the other's consent and then refusing protection and then saying 'oops, sorry, we lied about being Investigative role' the Day after there was no NK, and then 2 other prominently active pairs, one of which is our main accuser, choose to back that shenanigans up and defend it after they said they lied?)
3. Why would you advocate to postpone gaining more potential lead information earlier rather than later? If you agree with me about Timeflux and the greater lead generation, then why wait, and why lynch us first then?
Also, I say that Kark x Zip and Splint x Cabot have been "extremely chummy" because they avoid antagonizing each other to the same amount that they have been tag-teaming us. Blarg x Kawl have been placed on the super-defensive by the both of them, even though Kark's claim of Tracker is just as equally attackable as our own; it is our Miller claim alone that separates us from Kark, and I believe they have been tandem-hounding us solely based on the Miller aspect of our claim because we are an easy bussing to a lynch for it, and they both save Timeflux, who they openly defend despite their shady fuckery, in the process of killing us. This is why I want to lynch Timeflux first, as it could potentially expose a greater evidence of scum collusion between those 3 pairs, than the easy lynching of the Miller who only has direct ties to one other pair, can achieve.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I would forego the obvious lynch for this option
I'm pretty sure they're working together
Blargonaut
Banned
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How is that bait? If you vote for Splinter, Karkador will vote for Splinter, and I'll vote for Splinter.
Blargonaut
Banned
I know you two aren't actually serious about this, pls