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Love Boat [Mafia] |OT| Till Death Do Us Part
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I'm home and looking at the election race of whether Donald Trump will become king of America. I've been skimming again the last 30-40ish pages of babble, and I'll have some hot notes and a hard vote on someone not named kark/flux posted later, probably within 6-8 hourish. If anyone has a question at the moment, feel free to ask.
Sorry I didn't reply to this immediately. I should have as I'm not terribly satisfied.
First point, did you just "forget" about the trackers when voting Splinter?
What I'm missing is more in depth what made you switch to Splinter and then Blarg. You have been suspicious of Splinter since D1, but there must have been something more specific that made you vote? I'd also like some more of why you switched back to Blarg as you had never voted for him before.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
OK, to summarize who I think we should be looking at in this day phase..
Trusting They Are Town Based on Current Information:
2. [m] Karkador & [m] Zippedpinhead
4. [m] LaunchPadMcQ & [m] Gorlak
6. [m] UltraJay & [m] Boo Boo'n
13. [m] El Topo & [m] Miracle [m] Giant Panda
The Rest:
1. [m] Kingkitty & [m] Hyperactivity
15. [m] hobohodo & [m] Ty4on
3. [m] Timeaisis & [m] FluxWaveZ
7. [m] Coppanuva & [m] Flame_AC
9. [m] TL21xx & [m] Camjo-Z
10. [m] MagnumBoy20xx & [m] batsnacks
11. [m] Dusk Soldier & [m] Karu
12. [m] Kyanrute & [m] Retroid
And to seal the deal...
I agree with this a lot. Well put. Flux is a very good lynch for today, because he's been trying to play the crazy scum dude for the "oh man, he was scum all along?" points. Basically, he's trying to Tim us. Frankly, I stand behind my statement that you've been trying, and failing, at controlling the flow of the conversation. You probably thought you'd have it easier if you got rid of Splintbot, but that didn't really work out for you. Plus, your partner isn't doing you any favors, trying to subtly poke holes in what is as close to a confirmed town as we have.
Trusting They Are Town Based on Current Information:
2. [m] Karkador & [m] Zippedpinhead
4. [m] LaunchPadMcQ & [m] Gorlak
6. [m] UltraJay & [m] Boo Boo'n
13. [m] El Topo & [m] Miracle [m] Giant Panda
The Rest:
1. [m] Kingkitty & [m] Hyperactivity
15. [m] hobohodo & [m] Ty4on
3. [m] Timeaisis & [m] FluxWaveZ
7. [m] Coppanuva & [m] Flame_AC
9. [m] TL21xx & [m] Camjo-Z
10. [m] MagnumBoy20xx & [m] batsnacks
11. [m] Dusk Soldier & [m] Karu
12. [m] Kyanrute & [m] Retroid
And to seal the deal...
I agree with this a lot. Well put. Flux is a very good lynch for today, because he's been trying to play the crazy scum dude for the "oh man, he was scum all along?" points. Basically, he's trying to Tim us. Frankly, I stand behind my statement that you've been trying, and failing, at controlling the flow of the conversation. You probably thought you'd have it easier if you got rid of Splintbot, but that didn't really work out for you. Plus, your partner isn't doing you any favors, trying to subtly poke holes in what is as close to a confirmed town as we have.
unvote
My first thought for a place to town read you were your interactions with Splinter at the end of D2. Was there any goal to it?
From what I can read of your opinions you were very upset that he didn't initiate a turbo. The reads you made of Blarg and Splinter were a little harder to make out though. At the end you said you wanted to lynch Blarg and voted Splinter for fun. That seems odd given all the interactions between you and Splinter where you basically scolded him for creating the mess.
Why did you do that?
It looked to me like you cared about his team, but you never admitted to it.
I don't think you're scum, but I don't have a town read on you.
My first thought for a place to town read you were your interactions with Splinter at the end of D2. Was there any goal to it?
From what I can read of your opinions you were very upset that he didn't initiate a turbo. The reads you made of Blarg and Splinter were a little harder to make out though. At the end you said you wanted to lynch Blarg and voted Splinter for fun. That seems odd given all the interactions between you and Splinter where you basically scolded him for creating the mess.
Why did you do that?
It looked to me like you cared about his team, but you never admitted to it.
Well, I don't really care about any team; especially not Splintbot's because I wasn't town reading them. Part of the reason I voted for Splintbot, as I said before, was because Splinter was indeed responsible for the mess that ensued when D2 could have ended so much sooner with an early turbo. He was talking about how it was an "extended dusk" phase and all that, which was nonsense. Like I said before, I was real frustrated at that and was divided on voting for Splintbot just because of it.
Obviously, then Blarg was also reluctant to turbo Splintbot for some reason, which was doubly frustrating 'cause I just wanted to see someone die. So I didn't know who to pick among the two since either dying would have been cool with me for different reasons but, ultimately, I decided on the one I actually wanted to see lynched for "game" reasons from the start.
This is well-worn territory, though...
Current Votes:
el topo & giant panda (0)
ty4on
karkador & zippedpinhead (1)
fluxwavez
ultrajay
timeaisis
launchpadmcq & gorlak (0)
boo boo'n
hobohodo & ty4on (1)
zippedpinhead
gorlak
tl21xx
fluxwavez
timeaisis & fluxwavez (7)
gorlak
launchpadmcq
ultrajay
boo boo'n
zippedpinhead
karkador
camjo-z
dusk soldier & karu (0)
fluxwavez
magnumboy20xx & batsnacks (1)
giant panda
13 votes needed for majority.
el topo & giant panda (0)
karkador & zippedpinhead (1)
timeaisis
launchpadmcq & gorlak (0)
hobohodo & ty4on (1)
fluxwavez
timeaisis & fluxwavez (7)
gorlak
launchpadmcq
ultrajay
boo boo'n
zippedpinhead
karkador
camjo-z
dusk soldier & karu (0)
magnumboy20xx & batsnacks (1)
giant panda
13 votes needed for majority.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
What happens when the most talkative town pair turns on him?
Your opinion isn't.
I can understand going back to Blarg when he responded so cautiously, but this seems to just cover the initial posts. You engaged a lot with Splinter after you returned your vote to Blarg. Was there no real reason to this? Were you just mad at him?
Uh, well I can't say I have any concrete plan regarding who I interact with and how often I do. Do you? And yes, like I've already said, I was frustrated at him for prolonging Day 2.
Eh, it depends. I tend to have an idealistic goal of reading someone when I talk to them and it seemed like that could be part of it.
Where would his frustration at the end of D2 have come from then? I mean a neutral could just sit back and enjoy the drama.
Wants to get to their win condition quicker?
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Man, Kark, I basically know you're town, but stop throwing wrenches into all your own plays!
Hm. Launchpad, let me ask you something. What is a better quality in a townie: to be close-minded, or to be open-minded?
Neutral is as good as scum to me.
It just explains both the disregard for team safety from Blarg and the complete lack of doing anything productive for Town.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
It was just a rib.
They are both situation dependent. That's why we need different mentalities in this game.
Whatever you say bae
I'm all for turboing perceived scum, so I'm all for a hastened death (my partner might object a bit, though). But...
Isn't it kinda weird that you're talking as though you know I'm town and you're placing the vote anyways?
Isn't it kinda weird that you're talking as though you know I'm town and you're placing the vote anyways?
Since when did I say you were town?
You didn't; that's not what I said. Maybe I was just reading the tone of your comment wrong...
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I echo the sentiment.
Right now, I just don't feel like Flux could possibly be scum. I can see the argument for them being neutral, maybe?
However, as I was catching up, I noticed that one pair in particular is just so absent. I thought about voting MagnumBoy, but you Batsnacks are making up for him right now.
Vote: Karu
I just want some activity from you and your partner, I just can type your name easier and am less likely to mess it up. Where do you two stand on today's proceedings?
All I've seen from Dusk since he joined was an initial vote on Coppa and I while he was catching up, which was fine, then he just kind of disappeared and hasn't really been around since.
So where are you two? Surely you both have something to say?
However, as I was catching up, I noticed that one pair in particular is just so absent. I thought about voting MagnumBoy, but you Batsnacks are making up for him right now.
Vote: Karu
I just want some activity from you and your partner, I just can type your name easier and am less likely to mess it up. Where do you two stand on today's proceedings?
All I've seen from Dusk since he joined was an initial vote on Coppa and I while he was catching up, which was fine, then he just kind of disappeared and hasn't really been around since.
So where are you two? Surely you both have something to say?
What charade? The only charade was D1, and that was admittedly a Flux mistake. We've been completely honest ever since.
What do you have on us? Apart from D1 shenanigans. I'd like to know.
i skimmed thru 30-40 pages, basically when Klarg claimed, and before Klarg got outed where scumbros could have changed their behavior. here's some of my thoughts based on those skimmings:
flamecoppa - Flame_AC was quick to vote for klarg when they first roleclaimed on Day 1. Coppa quickly voted for timeflux. Flame_AC says a miller would just bite town in the bum later, unless somehow it could be confirmed. Considering how much a tale klarg spinned for their role title "Best Friends", they might've figured they could outbluff if timeflux did indeed out their name on Day 2. If flamecoppa were scum, maybe they figured they would do some quick votes equally on timeflux and klarg (but not 2 votes on klarg in order to lessen the possibility of a bigger bandwagon). Show themselves as concerned townies at needless roleclaims. Then push for the possibility of timeflux "clearing" klarg. However, they weren't alone with the support of this idea (me included). Flame_AC has also shown a bit more friction on Day 1 against the timeflux claim. If timeflux flipped scum, I might feel a tad better towards the coppaflames. What gives me a lil bit of pause was Flame_AC going out quickly to vote for Klarg, which could've snowballed into something bigger. Dunno if that would be the play by a scumFlame. For now, lean nullish.
duskkaru - Karu was a bit neutral towards the miller claim. Karu later on Day 1 said he believed klarg's claim for now, although there should be some verification on Day 2. If Karu is scum, could be confidence that klarg would spin a good tale about their name just in case timeflux was really a namecop. Rest (replaced now by Dusk) was hot out of the gate against timeflux, calling for a policy lynch. Showed support lynching klarg on Day 2, but wanted to take out timeflux first. If Rest is scum, do you really want to advocate lynching your teammate tomorrow on a Day 2. Unless klarg was planned from the start to be some type of sacrifical lamb for scumbros to earn townie cred. Interestingly Dusk Soldier (who replaced Rest at this point) mixed up millers with masons when discussing Klarg's claim. My gut says it was genuine in a townish way. Lean town.
hobotyphoon - Sophia (now replaced by hobodobo), showed a bit of friction against AC and Coppa for their quick votes against klarg and timeflux. Although she later stepped back from that friction by later giving them a neutral vibe. Sophia spent Day 1 poking quite a bit at timeflux for their claim, while her thoughts on klarg was that they leaned town. She later said timeflux claim could've been a failed scum gambit. However at the end of the Day she showed reluctance to lynch everyone who roleclaimed, nor anyone who had a replacement. In fact, that same day she says flux was acting more townish. Could be scum following scumbro consensus that they might as well keep timeflux around to "confirm" Klarg's claim. Overall she went on a pretty safe course on Day 1, not trying to rock the boat, trying to avoid putting doubt on klarg. Gives off a very middle of the road vibe, where some scum occupy. Ty4phon didn't really show much friction with the Klarg claim, and even helped clarify something Blarg said on Day 1, which was the "pls investigate" bit. I found him to be the more active, prodding person in the team. I'm leaning suspicious on them for now, with a good chunk based what I've read from Sophia's play. Some of her suspicions relied on sentences like "can't put my finger on it" and "rubbing me the wrong way" which I think is pretty easy ways for scum to throw shade but without having to point any thing in particular. I'm not saying it's a rock solid lynch pick, but I prefer it over a timeflux lynch.
gorlaunch - Launchpad made the observation early on that a role cop and a miller doesn't "mesh" well in same game. Now, if somehow flux AND klarg were on the same team as launchpad. I wouldn't see the wisdom of bringing up this logic issue. It would bring doubt on either timeflux or klarg. Although if timeflux wasn't scum, and launchpad was still on the same scum side as klarg, I don't think such a concern would've been worded that specific way, because it could very well be turned against klarg. However launchpad later on Day 1 said he believed the miller claim. Gorlak on Day 1 says it wouldn't be right for town to lynch klarg for the moment. Ehh for now lean town.
typos, lazy mistakes, etc were probably made in these observations
also based on what i just wrote
vote: Ty4on
flamecoppa - Flame_AC was quick to vote for klarg when they first roleclaimed on Day 1. Coppa quickly voted for timeflux. Flame_AC says a miller would just bite town in the bum later, unless somehow it could be confirmed. Considering how much a tale klarg spinned for their role title "Best Friends", they might've figured they could outbluff if timeflux did indeed out their name on Day 2. If flamecoppa were scum, maybe they figured they would do some quick votes equally on timeflux and klarg (but not 2 votes on klarg in order to lessen the possibility of a bigger bandwagon). Show themselves as concerned townies at needless roleclaims. Then push for the possibility of timeflux "clearing" klarg. However, they weren't alone with the support of this idea (me included). Flame_AC has also shown a bit more friction on Day 1 against the timeflux claim. If timeflux flipped scum, I might feel a tad better towards the coppaflames. What gives me a lil bit of pause was Flame_AC going out quickly to vote for Klarg, which could've snowballed into something bigger. Dunno if that would be the play by a scumFlame. For now, lean nullish.
duskkaru - Karu was a bit neutral towards the miller claim. Karu later on Day 1 said he believed klarg's claim for now, although there should be some verification on Day 2. If Karu is scum, could be confidence that klarg would spin a good tale about their name just in case timeflux was really a namecop. Rest (replaced now by Dusk) was hot out of the gate against timeflux, calling for a policy lynch. Showed support lynching klarg on Day 2, but wanted to take out timeflux first. If Rest is scum, do you really want to advocate lynching your teammate tomorrow on a Day 2. Unless klarg was planned from the start to be some type of sacrifical lamb for scumbros to earn townie cred. Interestingly Dusk Soldier (who replaced Rest at this point) mixed up millers with masons when discussing Klarg's claim. My gut says it was genuine in a townish way. Lean town.
hobotyphoon - Sophia (now replaced by hobodobo), showed a bit of friction against AC and Coppa for their quick votes against klarg and timeflux. Although she later stepped back from that friction by later giving them a neutral vibe. Sophia spent Day 1 poking quite a bit at timeflux for their claim, while her thoughts on klarg was that they leaned town. She later said timeflux claim could've been a failed scum gambit. However at the end of the Day she showed reluctance to lynch everyone who roleclaimed, nor anyone who had a replacement. In fact, that same day she says flux was acting more townish. Could be scum following scumbro consensus that they might as well keep timeflux around to "confirm" Klarg's claim. Overall she went on a pretty safe course on Day 1, not trying to rock the boat, trying to avoid putting doubt on klarg. Gives off a very middle of the road vibe, where some scum occupy. Ty4phon didn't really show much friction with the Klarg claim, and even helped clarify something Blarg said on Day 1, which was the "pls investigate" bit. I found him to be the more active, prodding person in the team. I'm leaning suspicious on them for now, with a good chunk based what I've read from Sophia's play. Some of her suspicions relied on sentences like "can't put my finger on it" and "rubbing me the wrong way" which I think is pretty easy ways for scum to throw shade but without having to point any thing in particular. I'm not saying it's a rock solid lynch pick, but I prefer it over a timeflux lynch.
gorlaunch - Launchpad made the observation early on that a role cop and a miller doesn't "mesh" well in same game. Now, if somehow flux AND klarg were on the same team as launchpad. I wouldn't see the wisdom of bringing up this logic issue. It would bring doubt on either timeflux or klarg. Although if timeflux wasn't scum, and launchpad was still on the same scum side as klarg, I don't think such a concern would've been worded that specific way, because it could very well be turned against klarg. However launchpad later on Day 1 said he believed the miller claim. Gorlak on Day 1 says it wouldn't be right for town to lynch klarg for the moment. Ehh for now lean town.
typos, lazy mistakes, etc were probably made in these observations
also based on what i just wrote
vote: Ty4on
@Time do you have any other reads other than Kark? I don't disagree with anything you said Kark's actions at the end of d2 were not good but I still think we shouldn't lynch the person who counter claimed and lynched mafia. I would consider it closer to lylo if Kark is still alive.
@flux I don't know who you think is mafia.
@flux I don't know who you think is mafia.
Dusk Soldier
Member
Not much time left so I'll try doing a read list to collect my thoughts.
1. [m] Kingkitty & [m] Hyperactivity
don't have much of a read on these two. Pretty light activity. KK is very direct no nonsense type player.
2. [m] Karkador & [m] Zippedpinhead
haven't noticed Zipped too much. Still think it's weird they waited almost 12 hours to counter claim Blarg. Especially considering how active Kark posts.
3. [m] Timeaisis & [m] FluxWaveZ
I like the way Flux has played day 3. Asking a lot of good questions and trying to contribute. The first two days though he was really grandiose and distracting. Time plays like a publicist constantly trying to do damage control.
4. [m] LaunchPadMcQ & [m] Gorlak
don't have too strong an opinion about this pair.
6. [m] UltraJay & [m] Boo Boo'n
Not much of read here either.
7. [m] Coppanuva & [m] Flame_AC
These two are the most active voters, other than maybe Flux, but I don't think they've accused a single person of being scum yet.
9. [m] TL21xx & [m] Camjo-Z NEW
Camjo is bold and fearless. TL21xx haven't noticed much of.
10. [m] MagnumBoy20xx & [m] batsnacks
I don't think Magnum is playing too actively. Don't have much of an opinion on batsnacks either.
12. [m] Kyanrute NEW & [m] Retroid
Kyanrute's posts always come across as well though out, direct and to the point. Retroid has the same posting style as well. Neither post too frequently, but almost always seem up-to-date on current affairs.
Could their posts be being edited and refined by scum chat?
13. [m] El Topo & [m] Giant Panda
El Topo gives me a gut town read. Just comes across as trustworthy in his posting style. Giant Panda I don't have much of an opinion about yet.
[m] hobohodo & [m] Ty4on
Back when hobohodo was known as Sophia, I was a little suspicious of the "why doesn't anyone ever suspect me?" posts/rant. Hobohodo's generally light activity makes those statements seem even more suspect.
Admittedly Ty4on gives me a gut town read similar to how I feel about El Topo. So on this pair I'm kind of conflicted.
1. [m] Kingkitty & [m] Hyperactivity
don't have much of a read on these two. Pretty light activity. KK is very direct no nonsense type player.
2. [m] Karkador & [m] Zippedpinhead
haven't noticed Zipped too much. Still think it's weird they waited almost 12 hours to counter claim Blarg. Especially considering how active Kark posts.
3. [m] Timeaisis & [m] FluxWaveZ
I like the way Flux has played day 3. Asking a lot of good questions and trying to contribute. The first two days though he was really grandiose and distracting. Time plays like a publicist constantly trying to do damage control.
4. [m] LaunchPadMcQ & [m] Gorlak
don't have too strong an opinion about this pair.
6. [m] UltraJay & [m] Boo Boo'n
Not much of read here either.
7. [m] Coppanuva & [m] Flame_AC
These two are the most active voters, other than maybe Flux, but I don't think they've accused a single person of being scum yet.
9. [m] TL21xx & [m] Camjo-Z NEW
Camjo is bold and fearless. TL21xx haven't noticed much of.
10. [m] MagnumBoy20xx & [m] batsnacks
I don't think Magnum is playing too actively. Don't have much of an opinion on batsnacks either.
12. [m] Kyanrute NEW & [m] Retroid
Kyanrute's posts always come across as well though out, direct and to the point. Retroid has the same posting style as well. Neither post too frequently, but almost always seem up-to-date on current affairs.
Could their posts be being edited and refined by scum chat?
13. [m] El Topo & [m] Giant Panda
El Topo gives me a gut town read. Just comes across as trustworthy in his posting style. Giant Panda I don't have much of an opinion about yet.
[m] hobohodo & [m] Ty4on
Back when hobohodo was known as Sophia, I was a little suspicious of the "why doesn't anyone ever suspect me?" posts/rant. Hobohodo's generally light activity makes those statements seem even more suspect.
Admittedly Ty4on gives me a gut town read similar to how I feel about El Topo. So on this pair I'm kind of conflicted.
Nonsense, Bear story actually won the Award for best animated short!
Owl story was snubbed 
Nonsense, Bear story actually won the Award for best animated short!
Owl story was snubbed
Silly Roy, this Bear is only the star of big productions!
To be fair, that bear really got the "OMG, he looks so cute even though I know he is going to eat my face in about 5 second!" look down!
To flip it the other way, why would a scum care to point that out? If they're slipping under the radar then pointing that out isn't going to make them any favours. If they're town they might be worried at a last minute swing in votes because they had been ignored and not had the chance to respond to reads of them. Sophia was the most worried* about it in our chat, but to me it also echoed Heist where I went from being ignored to the top lynch candidate in a matter of hours. That lynch didn't just kill me the next day, but it also taught town next to nothing and wasted two days.
*I use worried a bit liberally, but she was worried it was a trap. For what it's worth Blarg posted a vote on us when Sophia came under some fire.
Dusk Soldier
Member
It does make sense to me when you put it like that. Bringing it up well in advance, does reduce the ability for someone else to do it last minute when there is no time to defend yourself.
Yeah but who's mafia? :O
I think you're underplaying the "pls confirm" post. That wasn't a single post clarifying Blarg's stance, that was several posts defending their role claim. If I'm scum trying to distance myself from Blawl then that would be a really bad idea.
On top of that neither me nor Sophia nor Hobohodo ever voted for Blawl on D2 when a bus was the obvious thing to do. Unless you think a switcher was in play we then made things worse by killing Cabinter and showing all of town that I voted for town over scum.
Hobohodo isn't Sophia so I don't see why his inactivity has anything to do with her. I apologize if that has made it harder to read us though. I haven't pushed him on posting more, but he has been quite inactive in the boat chat as well.
As a defence of Sophia I found her deciphering of Blarg on D1 to be an odd for scum. Just overall her interactions with Blarg don't look like scum-scum communication with zero attempts at distancing themselves from each other.
Deciphering Blarg
Blarg's response
Blarg's apology
Sophia's response
I don't quite understand this read. You're making the assumption that Flux is scum and if that's the case then scum probably made up those claims knowing that they would clash so I don't see why Launch posting that clears him. If anything it could be a play to make a third scum look townie and investigative on D1.
Are you voting them because you think they're scum, or because you want to eliminate a distraction? I honestly don't think Flux and time are scum persay, but they're playing very oddly. I could see them as a lynch for being a distraction (clearing the field as you said), but I'm personally more interested in shooting for scum again today. Need to think through who looks like a good candidate for that.
I would like to hear more from MagnumBoy today though. I've heard plenty from your partner, but very little from you, and it's really hard for me to get a read on you (and I want a read on every player here individually, the pair isn't enough). Any thoughts about anything jump out here? There's been plenty of conversation about the chat bomb since you asked about it 3 days ago, and you seemed pretty interested in it.
Zippedpinhead
Member
It's during exactly this kind of lull that karkador and I got bored yesterday and decided to get more votes on the table.
No gambits, no Games, just wondering what would happen if...
vote: Karu
No gambits, no Games, just wondering what would happen if...
vote: Karu
Some thoughts on the the first three pairs on the list (minus Kark & flux - I don't wanna vote for the former and not necessarily for the latter, but all in all those deserve a seperate look)...
Pair #1: KingKitty & Hyperactivity: Leaning Town with slight suspicions
Were mostly on the right side of past major arguments especially in regards to Blarg/Kark. But... it should be noted that since the Blawl-claim was pre-planned in scum chat AND Blarg is an obvious target for tracking etc. they HAD TO keep in mind that he won't survive long. There is no way scum teammates will stick out their head far enough for Blarg at any point in the game, no less after Kark's counterclaim. Besides that the team doesn't really move in either direction. There is weird stuff like Hyper voting for NeverForever, absolutely neglecting their power claim right before the end before acutally unvoting BUT with a typo - and he never corrected and nobody called him out. Weird, at the very least.
The bolded should be especially in consideration, in regards to Hyperkitty, but also all the other pairs. To a point where I have a hard time trusting any given pair, if everything/most of what they have given us hinges on their stance on Blarg vs. Kark.
Pair #4: LaunchPadMcQ & Gorlak:Leaning Null-ish Read, slightly Town
While both but much effort into the game so far, especially Launch showed some suspicious behaviour in changing from someone who advocates looking at all possible outcomes regarding the Blawl-claim (After Kark counter-claimed), in several posts no less, to being non-nonsense aggressive towards a turbo, insinuating everything else would be a waste of time. Now... it's to note that between both stances are 2 days of playtime, so there's that. It's still noteworthy in my mind because he changed from one end of the spectrum to the nother. Gorlak... he jumped around quite a bit (in a good way), voted Kark, but still. All in all a slight town read, but eh... I smell an agenda/change of plans somewhere between the 22nd and the 24th.
Pair #6: UltraJay & Boo Boo'n: Leaning slightly scum-ish
I don't like it. There is something offabout these two that's not sitting right with me. Apart from the start-of-the-game-fluff and a bit of the usual middle off the road-stuff... Can't quite read them. This would be my gut-vote right now.
Pair #1: KingKitty & Hyperactivity: Leaning Town with slight suspicions
Were mostly on the right side of past major arguments especially in regards to Blarg/Kark. But... it should be noted that since the Blawl-claim was pre-planned in scum chat AND Blarg is an obvious target for tracking etc. they HAD TO keep in mind that he won't survive long. There is no way scum teammates will stick out their head far enough for Blarg at any point in the game, no less after Kark's counterclaim. Besides that the team doesn't really move in either direction. There is weird stuff like Hyper voting for NeverForever, absolutely neglecting their power claim right before the end before acutally unvoting BUT with a typo - and he never corrected and nobody called him out. Weird, at the very least.
The bolded should be especially in consideration, in regards to Hyperkitty, but also all the other pairs. To a point where I have a hard time trusting any given pair, if everything/most of what they have given us hinges on their stance on Blarg vs. Kark.
Pair #4: LaunchPadMcQ & Gorlak:Leaning Null-ish Read, slightly Town
While both but much effort into the game so far, especially Launch showed some suspicious behaviour in changing from someone who advocates looking at all possible outcomes regarding the Blawl-claim (After Kark counter-claimed), in several posts no less, to being non-nonsense aggressive towards a turbo, insinuating everything else would be a waste of time. Now... it's to note that between both stances are 2 days of playtime, so there's that. It's still noteworthy in my mind because he changed from one end of the spectrum to the nother. Gorlak... he jumped around quite a bit (in a good way), voted Kark, but still. All in all a slight town read, but eh... I smell an agenda/change of plans somewhere between the 22nd and the 24th.
Pair #6: UltraJay & Boo Boo'n: Leaning slightly scum-ish
I don't like it. There is something offabout these two that's not sitting right with me. Apart from the start-of-the-game-fluff and a bit of the usual middle off the road-stuff... Can't quite read them. This would be my gut-vote right now.
Zippedpinhead
Member
Yeah, but is not wanting to appear flip -floppy really the reason you want to stick with on why you agreed with Blawl and not Kark and I? I can understand the *splinter no vote from yesterday, but why did you just drop off the face of the earth when all the vote craziness hit? We still had 24 hours to go, usually people check in even after they vote.
Me too bud!
A little bit of both. I'm getting a neutral read at best. It's currently the vote that makes the most sense to me with the information we have at the moment. I will admit that I am a little behind on digging for reads at the moment, so it's possible I'm missing something.
I agree with you on MagnumBoy by the way, he has been way too silent.
Because I didn't agree to a degree where I wouldn't follow my gut - which said, Blawl might be right. Maybe I wasn't to deep into the logic behind why Blawl was the more logical vote than Kark and I doubt I'm very well versed in the "how to play power roles"-playbook
but on plain sight Karks counterclaim seemed like taking advantage of an opportunity. But yes, I absolutely hate last hour flip-flopping, there was no way I would participate. Especially if so many ppl were willing to vote Splibot which was and still is ridiclious to me.LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
You missed the part where I tunneled in on Blawl right after my analysis of different scenarios. I believe I said something about testing the claims, or that might have been in pair chat. I only removed my vote when Splintbot was gaining momentum (I made no secret of not liking them) but I replaced it because it was a bad idea.
Zippedpinhead
Member
Because I didn't agree to a degree where I wouldn't follow my gut - which said, Blawl might be right. Maybe I wasn't to deep into the logic behind why Blawl was the more logical vote than Kark and I doubt I'm very well versed in the "how to play power roles"-playbook
But it wasn't even last hour flip flopping, it was a full 24 hours and no one wanted to finish it. The splibot vote was law much frustration on not hammering the vote, as it was challenging The conversation that Kark and *splinter had.
Oh and you are right on Kark and my taking advantage of an opportunity, we had someone with a far worse claim than ours dead center in our sights, and (as far as we could tell) no other option because if they were scum they could try and kill us at night.
I'm glad launch and Gorlak finally dropped the hammer, it's one of their leading qualities that give me a slight town read on them.
no one gave me feedback on this so I'm saying it again
I think flame and coppa are mafia because of how they voted yesterday. All rhetoric aside their votes support a mafia agenda, whether it was intentional for them or not.
Flame voted blarg immediately after blarg claimed, this is the correct mafia play as they would know that blarg was dead so it is best to bus him fast. Flame attempted a last minute switch to cabot because he "trusted Kark's claim." If flame trusted Kark's claim the only logical action should be to vote blarg who's claim was in direct conflict with Kark. The most logical explanation for why flame switched to cabot is because he didn't want to vote now confirmed mafia blarg.
Coppa voted flux after Kark claimed. Blarg also votes flux, instead of voting Kark who would be the logical choice if blarg was a town tracker. Blarg makes several large posts building a case on flux. Coppa and blarg's push on flux could have been planned as mafia. When there are two conflicting claims, town's top priority should be sorting them out, not policy lynching, lynching annoying people, or lynching for information; all three of these reasons were brought up against flux yesterday. Coppa also makes a last minute switch to cabot. Coppa's voting yesterday supports a mafia agenda.
I think flame and coppa are mafia because of how they voted yesterday. All rhetoric aside their votes support a mafia agenda, whether it was intentional for them or not.
Flame voted blarg immediately after blarg claimed, this is the correct mafia play as they would know that blarg was dead so it is best to bus him fast. Flame attempted a last minute switch to cabot because he "trusted Kark's claim." If flame trusted Kark's claim the only logical action should be to vote blarg who's claim was in direct conflict with Kark. The most logical explanation for why flame switched to cabot is because he didn't want to vote now confirmed mafia blarg.
Coppa voted flux after Kark claimed. Blarg also votes flux, instead of voting Kark who would be the logical choice if blarg was a town tracker. Blarg makes several large posts building a case on flux. Coppa and blarg's push on flux could have been planned as mafia. When there are two conflicting claims, town's top priority should be sorting them out, not policy lynching, lynching annoying people, or lynching for information; all three of these reasons were brought up against flux yesterday. Coppa also makes a last minute switch to cabot. Coppa's voting yesterday supports a mafia agenda.
