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LTTP: Batman comics

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vladdamad

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After Arkham Knight, I realised that I wasn't really ready to leave that fictional universe so decided to take a look at the comics. Here are some of the things I read and some thoughts on them:

New 52 Batman (current run): the three arcs that I read (City/Night of Owls, Death of the Family and Zero Year) were all hugely entertaining, with the Owl stuff being the absolute highlight. New, terrifying villains that are well incorporated into the history of Gotham, spectacular art, and some actual detective work are all things that make the opening arc a huge success. Death of the Family has probably my favourite visual design of the Joker, which is sickening in the best possible way. Having said that DotF does run out of steam a little bit towards the end, I wasn't too fond of the conclusion. Zero Year was fun, but I felt like it was a little bit too lighthearted - sure, it was violent and some pretty grim things happen in it but there is a sort of exuberant energy running through the whole thing that doesn't give me the same bleak feeling that I love from some of the other entries on this list. In fact, I could say that about all of Snyder's Batman - there is a little bit too much comic relief here, with some of the quips and wisecracks being not what I would expect out of a Batman story. Having said that, I enjoyed these stories a lot, and the art is probably my favourite out of all the stuff on this list.

The Killing Joke: this is probably my favourite Batman story overall, and it absolutely has the best writing I've read out of all of these stories. There is a kind of subtlety and depth to the characters, and Joker in particular, that is just spectacular. For instance, where
Joker suggests that the backstory that we have been reading about him may not be the truth - all that matters is the general tragic subtext, or the ambiguous ending
- this is all amazing stuff. Also, I don't know how the comic writers and artists coordinate with each other, but even visually the way this thing is told is really interesting - like how there are points where the panels between the present and the flashback would mirror each other, or where
Gordon is on the ghost train and the colour of the doors that he is passing match the colour scheme of the Batman scenes that are happening at the same time
. Absolutely loved it, this is the pinnacle for me.

The Dark Knight Returns: some wonderful stuff here. I sometimes felt uncomfortable reading this knowing that Frank Miller's political views meant that he sided with his interpretation of the Batman character, but if we take the book at face value it becomes a fascinating critique of the concept of a vigilante. The Batman here is both reprehensible and likeable, a morally grey character - this makes his actions all the more interesting. I loved the
teenagers in gangs in particular, who would kill for any cause - whether it is the mutants or the sons of batman.
It's not perfect, though - Robin was really undeveloped in my opinion, and I wasn't sold on the fact that Batman would recruit her just like that after she saved his life. He seemed to jaded and cynical to partner with anyone. Also, at times it felt like Miller was leaning a little too hard into his own right wing views, which made the book lose its sense of grey morality. Still, very interesting stuff.

Year One: this seems like the complete opposite of the above book, even though it is by the same author. It's really sincere, and is more about mob corruption than supervillains, and just in general a far more grounded take on the mythology. It was enjoyable, but I wouldn't say its my favourite.

Joker by Azzarello: I didn't enjoy this one that much - in my opinion it didn't really have anything new to say about the Joker, despite the name. The art, on the other hand, is absolutely sensational, and I love the realistic versions of all the characters - Killer Croc is just a big dude with a skin condition, The Riddler is a man with a limp, which is why he has to use a crutch, the top of which is shaped like a question mark.

Batman: The Cult: this was a lot of fun, and fit in well with the dark, bleak tone that I had come to expect from this world. Lots of horror elements, trippy art, and lots of plot elements that seem to have inspired The Dark Knight Rises. Very enjoyable.

The Long Halloween: I'm conflicted about this one. As I was reading it, I thought it was fantastic. The twists and turns of this story were incredibly shocking, I genuinely didn't see a lot of it coming. But as soon as I closed the book, and took some time to think about what I just read, I realised that some of it didn't really make sense. In fact, most of the plot twists didn't make sense. It was shock value for its own sake, with some seriously death-defying leaps of logic. For example, ENDING SPOILERS
how did Alberto manage to fake his own death? The coroner knew about this, but how did that help in any way? Did he have a fake body that he replaced his own with? How did Dent's wife suddenly manage to become an expert assassin and avoid detection by the police? Is her motivation to help her husband by slaying mobsters really believable? Her character throughout the whole books certainly doesn't suggest this.
No real desire to read Dark Victory or Hush if they are at all similar to this.

Any more recommendations based on what I liked/disliked about each of those? Overall, great experience reading these, might branch out to other superheroes now.
 

Xero

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Though maybe a bit different from what you've read so far, I will say no mans land 5 parter is spectacular, but there are a lot of non batman heroes in that, though mainly street level. Arkham city was extremely loosely based off of it. I also really enjoy the batman/superman comics. Might not be interesting to you, if you just want solo batman stuff, but it really shows how close the relationship is between batman and superman. Also watch the animated series if you haven't already.
 
Should check out black mirror too. Wonderful art

Though it's even quippier than snyder's run later on considering it's dick grayson under the suit in that one

Year One is my favorite batman story, followed by TDKR, Killing Joke and Court of Owls

Agree with your assessments of it all tho
 
Go read The Man Who Laughs by Ed Brubaker for a modern version of Joker's first appearance in Gotham

Then go read Soft Targets from Gotham Central to see how the Gotham P.D. tackle the Joker from their perspective

Actually just go read all of Gotham Central
 
I recommend to still give Dark Victory a shot, it's a nice Robin origin story.
On top of this, read Robin Year One as it tackles Dick's first year as Robin. Some really nice art in there.

Also go read Batgirl Year One, same writer and artist.

If you can, look for Batman Ego and other tales by Darwyn Cooke. Really awesome art and a cool story with Bruce and the Batman personas arguing and vying for control.

Also look for Batman: death and the maidens. Great story about one of Ras al ghuls daughters by Greg Rucka. There's a really great section where Bruce meets the ghosts of his parents.
 

shoreu

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These are all New 52

Batman Eternal,
Batman and Robin,
Batgirl (until her change, unless you like that)
I think Talon had a run you might like that
Batwing (powersuit batman in africa, then america)
Green Arrow
Deathstroke
Nightwing

Grayson!!!
 

Afrodium

Banned
The next arc in Snyder's New 52 run is pretty good (Endgame). Morrison's run is great too, but it's quite a bit different than your usual Batman story. It's not for everyone, and is collected across like 10 different trades, so I'd recommend seeing if your library has it.
 

Rooster12

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Any more recommendations based on what I liked/disliked about each of those? Overall, great experience reading these, might branch out to other superheroes now.

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You should read all 60 issues, if you can. Wolfman is at the top of his game here.
 

MMarston

Was getting caught part of your plan?
Made a thread about how underrated this was, but hopefully you can find a copy of Batman: Night Cries somewhere, somehow. This is if you want something super grounded and dark though.

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Made a thread about how underrated this was, but hopefully you can find a copy of Batman: Night Cries somewhere, somehow. This is if you want something super grounded and dark though.

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Wow that's an amazing cover. Looks like it's for a Charles Dickens novel moreso than for a comic book. Please tell me the art is similar to that in the book
 

MMarston

Was getting caught part of your plan?
Wow that's an amazing cover. Looks like it's for a Charles Dickens novel moreso than for a comic book. Please tell me the art is similar to that in the book

Yup
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Again though, it's not a particularly easy find any more these days.
 
If you like Snyder then check out Black Mirror

Morrison's stuff is great but I don't know if you'd really like it. Maybe check out Batman and Son and see how you feel before continuing.
 

Shaanyboi

Banned
Batman: Hush is very much in line with Long Halloween (both Jeph Loeb stories) in that it's a fun read with some great moments but any amount of actual thought instantly tears it all down and makes you realize it was fucking nonsense.

Batman: Black Mirror is another solid Scott Snyder joint. Definitely read that.

Am I to take it that you read City of Owls but not Court of Owls first? If so, you should rectify that instantly. Also continue with Scott's run with the Endgame story arc.

Robin/Batgirl: Year One are good fun origin stories for those characters.

Batman: Dark Victory is another take on Robin's origin that's quite good.

Grant Morrison's Batman & Robin is rad with the team up of Dick Grayson and Damian Wayne.

Batman Eternal is pretty neat

Grayson has Dick Grayson as a former superhero/newly recruited secret agent

Other Characters:

Jeff Lemire's Green Arrow (Vol 4-6).
Green Arrow: Longbow Hunters
Brian Azzarello's Wonder Woman (Vol 1-6)
Geoff Johns' Aquaman (Vol 1-4) though the following writer is alright too.
Gail Simone's Batgirl (Vol 1-5), though once the creative team changes the book, it has its own fun energy too.
 
I got into the New 52 after AK. I've gotta say as a whole uts been very disappointing. Batman fortunately has mostly been a beacon. Except for a completely unnecessary death.
 

Fj0823

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New 52 Batman has been freaking great.

The Court of Owls
The City of Owls
Death of the Family
Zero Year-Dark City
Zero Year-Savage City
Endgame

You already read Year One and The Killing Joke, Also check Morrison's Batman & Robin
 

Sojgat

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Set during the Batman: Year One continuity. Both are great.

Alan Grant and Norm Breyfogle's Batman has yet to be fully collected , but if you want a sample of one of the best Batman runs ever Legends Of The Dark Knight Norm Breyfogle HC Vol 1 collects a large chunk of their Detective comics run.

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You should read all 60 issues, if you can. Wolfman is at the top of his game here.

Highly recommended. This is best Deathstroke.

Fantastic Steve Erwin art during the first half of the series.
 

KHlover

Banned
You should try to find some issues from the seventies. Batman does some actual detective work during that period, Gotham City is basically NYC. You still have his usual villains like Joker and Two-Face, but there's also issues where he deals with the regular mob or even civilian murders.

Really grounded approach, great contrast to prep-time Batman we have now.
 
The first, large volume of No Mans Land is by far my favorite trade ever. It's awesome. Too bad the art changed after that. The book was never the same to me but I kept enjoying it.
 
The first, large volume of No Mans Land is by far my favorite trade ever. It's awesome. Too bad the art changed after that. The book was never the same to me but I kept enjoying it.

No man's land is probably one of the most 'batman' peices of work. Incredibly dense with the newer collected additions, with a thousand plot threads of varying quality spinning off the main peice. Definitely gets worse as it goes on but there are so many wonderful stories in there. And my fav in the form of Cass Cain.

Just waiting on the Endgame Tpb at the moment, I know it's done some mad things to the continuity I need to see for myself
 

Game4life

Banned
Made a thread about how underrated this was, but hopefully you can find a copy of Batman: Night Cries somewhere, somehow. This is if you want something super grounded and dark though.

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I would second this as well. A very haunting book and a must read.
 

KodaRuss

Member
I am currently getting into these now. Just started Year One and I will be reading the killing joke and arkham asylum after that. I have also been returning to watching the animated series which I loved as a kid.
 

vladdamad

Member
Thanks for the recommendations everyone, will definitely be checking some of these out! Borrowed Hush and Heart of Hush from a friend despite not really enjoying Long Halloween - I already had the main twist spoiled by the Arkham games so decided to check it out for the art. I ended up enjoying Hush more than I thought I would - there were still ridiculous plot holes but a little less than there were in Long Halloween, plus the art was gorgeous. The atmosphere reminded me of the Arkham games more than any other Batman story I've read. Heart of Hush, on the other hand, was on a whole different level, and definitely is in my top five Batman story arcs. The actual present day stuff is OK, but the backstory is the good kind of retcon that fixes a lot of what was wrong with the original Hush story (basically makes the villain a believable human being and not a walking McGuffin). It reminded me of how the Darth Plagueis novel retconned a bunch of plot holes in the prequel Star Wars trilogy. Absolutely fantastic, Paul Dini is amazing
 

nortonff

Hi, I'm nortonff. I spend my life going into threads to say that I don't care about the topic of the thread. It's a really good use of my time.
Really wish I knew how to read comics...so many editions, writters, universes.
I love Batman but it's really confusing.
I've only got TDK and the TDKR.
 
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Set during the Batman: Year One continuity. Both are great.

Yes! Far better Year One "sequels" than Long Halloween and Dark Victory. Just love both of these.

No man's land is probably one of the most 'batman' peices of work. Incredibly dense with the newer collected additions, with a thousand plot threads of varying quality spinning off the main peice. Definitely gets worse as it goes on but there are so many wonderful stories in there. And my fav in the form of Cass Cain.

I love No Man's Land but the 3rd trade of the re-releases is really, really weak. The other 3 are pretty great though.
 
I'll always take the chance to recommend Dark Knight, Dark City. The story is friggin dark and is my favourite Riddler-related story. I mean, Batman has to cut the throat of a baby!!! Oh, and it's available as a handy TPB now! I also recommend Tales of the Demon, which collects the original stories introducing R'as Al Ghul. It's just a classic Batman story by Denny O'neil.

Then, of course, there's Morrison's run, starting with Batman and Son. Black Glove, RIP, and Batman & Robin are all superior to Batman and Son, but you might as well start from the beginning of his run.
 
There's a lot of different rec's but read Forever Evil, if you like that then read Justice League from Throne of Atlantis onwards (though personally I like the origin story/vol 1 as well).

Curse of Shazam is another stand alone story that you may enjoy.

If you are interested in a certain hero (or villain) after reading justice league you can expand out from there and ask for recs both pre-52 and new 52, there's certainly other good (even better books) than the current JL, just I don't know what heroes you'll end up liking.

Occasionally there's a sweet sale on comixology I try to post in OT's Comic Beginner Guide (or someone usually posts first in Comic OT).

Instocktrades for all your other books.
 

Toparaman

Banned
All Star Batman & Robin.

But only if you mentally project all of Batman's dialogue in Clive Owen's voice.

I'm just about to read this. From all the images I've seen online it seems to be a satirical piss-take of modern Batman and other characters from his universe. Which I think is pretty well-deserved given the inherent ridiculousness of superheroes, but I can see why Bat-fans who take this stuff super seriously would hate it.
 

KodaRuss

Member
Just finished Year One and obviously really enjoyed it. Kinda cool that Nolan used some of that story line for Batman Begins. Just started the Killing Joke this morning.

I have been looking for an excuse to buy a kindle for a while and I though abou buying the comics for it but I really like the physical books so far. Ill need to save them for when my son gets older.
 

DeathyBoy

Banned
I'm just about to read this. From all the images I've seen online it seems to be a satirical piss-take of modern Batman and other characters from his universe. Which I think is pretty well-deserved given the inherent ridiculousness of superheroes, but I can see why Bat-fans who take this stuff super seriously would hate it.

All Star Batman & Robin is an odd comic because it's not a piss-take on the surface, but is beneath that. Miller wanted to write an awesome Batman comic (and the art is brilliant), it's just that it isn't brilliant in the way he intended. It's like The Room in comic-book form, but with Batman.
 
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