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LTTP: Cosmic Marvel (and other comics too)

Altazor

Member
Disclaimer: I just finished War of Kings. Gonna use spoiler tags to mention certain important plot points in case you've wondered into this thread without having read those comics and you're curious and probably want to read them too. I hope I don't end up boring you with my very long-winded ramblings! Apologies for the wall of text, anyway.
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I decided to follow this handy image which I'm sure you've seen more than once and due to that amazing Amazon digital comic sale a while ago I started reading those Cosmic Marvel comics outlined there.

Wait, no, that's not how it went.

I actually started reading Jonathan Hickman's Fantastic Four run and was having a jolly good time until I reached a page that showed some stuff out of th Negative Zone and a being called Annihilus and I though: "well, fuck. I haven't read Annihilation yet, and I think I should just to get some context and figure out how did we get from... there to here." So then I decided to put F4 on hold, loaded up that image and submerged myself into that Cosmic goodness.

And, honestly, it was a bit rough at first.

My first/only approximation to all that stuff was the MCU's Guardians of the Galaxy (and Vol. 2 earlier this year) and some very superficial knowledge of other Cosmic Marvel stuff (Galactus and Silver Surfer, the Skrulls and the Kree, Thanos and the Infinity Gems) so a lot of this stuff was... a bit overwhelming to me. "Who are these people, why are they here and why should I really care?" was a question in the back of my mind a lot of the time while reading Annihilation - and the characters themselves were really different to what was shown on screen in GOTG. Drax apparently was some dumb brute that somehow
got murdered early on and then somehow resurrected
and ended up with a very different personality; Peter Quill was being a mopey, bitter asshole who constantly said "I'm not Star-Lord, Star-Lord is deaaaad" while in prison (!); Gamora ran a gang of female thugs that included Nebula (!) on a backwater planet while Ronan... well, Ronan was the same zealot asshole than in the movie, just a lot less evil and more hilarious in his narrowmindedness. Oh, and there was a teenage girl from Alaska (!) that got paired up with Drax and reaaally got on my nerves - I guess she was supposed to be the audience stand-in but ew, the writers really dialed up the bitchiness and smarkiness up to eleven with her.

Anyway, I wasn't really feeling it until that point. Ronan's was particularly rough in terms of plot and art (once again, I really liked how unintentionally funny the guy himself was) and it all seemed to draaaag on.

Thankfully it started to pick up - thank god for Nova. My man Richard Rider got me hooked on the story, and that guy Quasar seemed like a pretty nice man too
shame that he got rek'd by Annihilus though
. Silver Surfer's tie in also made me really interested in all what was happening. Sadly, Super Skrull's was just like the Ronan one: shaky, especially the art and colors. Not very pleasant to look at, seemed to clash with the covers and the rest of the books' art.

Then there's a bit of a time skip and the main event proper starts. Annihilation itself is a fairly well done arc of a galactic zerg rush, and I really liked how the Thanos/Drax/Silver Surfer stuff came together in the end:
Annihilus deciding to use Galactus as a weapon to... annihilate the entire universe and remain the last thing standing, Thanos realizing that and deciding to betray Annihilus and then Drax just appearing in time to fulfill his "destiny" and kill Thanos at the worst possible moment
was some delicious cosmic irony and a fucking kickass moment to be honest. Then the final battle with
Nova Prime killing Annihilus with "THIS IS FOR NOVA CORPS!"
was also a kickass moment that was totally earned. Character development, yay!

The event's denouement with Richard Rider gave it a very intimate feel, tbh. Again, character development: how a guy thrust into a very very difficult position copes with the fact that he's absolutely not the same person he was only a year ago. It doesn't take a galactic invasion by space bugs to relate to that.

Then came Annihilation: Conquest and, honestly? I liked it even more than its predecessor. Maybe the fact that I was more familiarized with the (large) cast of characters helped, maybe because I found the tie-ins slightly stronger, maybe because I found the Phalanx a bit more scary than the Annhilation Wave... maybe it was because of all that at the same time. And the fact that it happened thanks to the state of the universe after Annihilation made me like it even more - continuity FTW!

Oh, and it gave us the first iteration of the (modern) incarnation of the Guardians of the Galaxy, with Peter's rag-tag band of misfits. Loved Star-Lord's tie in, especially because he decided to stop being a mopey bitter asshole and took matters (sort of) seriously. Phyla and Moondragon's tie in was also a very interesting change of pace - I appreciate how natural their relationship felt throughout the book (instead of HEY LOOK THEY'RE LESBIAN AND DOING LESBIAN THINGS) but it turned to be a bit weird when
Moondragon was literally transformed into a dragon
.
On the other hand, Wraith was... eugh. Stop trying to make edgelords happen. They're not going to happen (again). It was kind of cringe reading how "cool" this guy was with his dark cape and his dark powers and tortured backstory and.... eugh, just stop. At least he saved
Ronan from the Phalanx assimilation
, which counts for something.

The whole thing of the Phalanx assimilating people was scary as fuck, which made some fights feel really personal. Gamora was sort of tragic and creepy at the same time
feeling without a purpose in the universe and discovering one within the Phalanx assimilation/hive-mind
, and then the actual revelation that
fucking ULTRON was behind the Phalanx
shook me. I actually didn't expect it. And, honestly, made me fear the character in a way that MCU movie never did.

Anyway, the endgame of the event feels tense as fuck. So many things happening, the vibe was of constant danger - the feeling that everything depended on minuscule details, it could easily be derailed and everything would be lost.
The assault of the Babel Spire by Star-Lord's team and how it ended up in relative failure, plus Groot's sacrifice
made me bite my nails. Then
Nova's arrival with Warlock and the other technarch, plus Gamora and Drax (free from the assimilation)
in the nick of time was like a fist pumping moment.
Ultron taking over Adam Warlock's body and seemingly killing Mantis
was a "OH SHIT" moment that got even worse when
he took control over the sentries to build himself a giant body
. Thankfully that was short-lived and even "that fucking edgelord" felt useful in terms of ending the Phalanx threat.

All in all, loved it and definitely wanted to keep reading whatever came next.

Thankfully that meant Guardians of the Galaxy and more Nova stuff. And both are excellent.
At this point I gotta bring back what I said earlier about how my first approach to this was the GOTG movie. Now that I've read the comics I gotta say that Gunn did a fine job capturing the tone of the comics more than the actual details - despite the fact that the movie's team is mostly the same as in the comics (sans
Adam Warlock and Phyla-Vell... and Mantis joins the team at the end of GOTG Vol. 2 but is a founding member here
) the personalities are different. Still, it has that whole "bunch of clashing personalities end up forming true bonds of companionship and friendship through hardship" plus "space opera" plus "lots of humor and witty writing" spot on, so I gotta say he did a good job. I do miss Cosmo in the movies, though, beyond that cameo in GOTG1.

Nova had the task, again, of being the center of the denouement and epilogue of the event. And, again, it rose up to the task. This part of the run felt less intimate than what happened at the tail end of "Annihilation", but no less interesting: first, with Richard being all damn heroic trying to
save that planet's people from becoming Galactus's meal and discovering an ancient entity trying to cause more chaos and grief over there
and then, on Earth, with
the paranoia caused by the Skrull's Secret Invasion
that turns into something that felt like horror when
the Worldmind started to rebuild the Corps without Richard consent and subliminally manipulating the recruits to do its bidding
. Man, that went sour fast.

Thus ended Annihilation: Conquest. There was a line about what was to come ("analysis from deep range probes indicate heightened tensions between the Shi'ar Imperium and the Kree Empire...") and so it meant I had a choice. I either kept on reading the next big thing in the Cosmic theater, the War of Kings... or I went back and kept on reading Hickman's stuff now that I understood about Annihilus and the Negative Zone and all that.

So I chose the latter.

I'm gonna stop here for now. My next impressions, on a later post on this very thread. Thanks for reading! :)

Also, what do you think?

TL;DR - started reading Hickman's Fantastic Four stuff and ended up reading Cosmic Marvel. I found Annihilation good (started a bit rough, ended greatly) and Annihilation: Conquest great. Will give my thought on War of Kings later.
 

HStallion

Now what's the next step in your master plan?
I really liked the Cancerverse stuff just for what a freak show it turned into.
 

LordRaptor

Member
Oh, and there was a teenage girl from Alaska (!) that got paired up with Drax and reaaally got on my nerves - I guess she was supposed to be the audience stand-in but ew, the writers really dialed up the bitchiness and smarkiness up to eleven with her.

If its any consolation her next appearance to speak of is she gets her unpowered ass stuck on an island with a bunch of supes in a full on Battle Royale / Hunger Games
 

Altazor

Member
If its any consolation her next appearance to speak of is she gets her unpowered ass stuck on an island with a bunch of supes in a full on Battle Royale / Hunger Games

that sounds fair, lol. She doesn't really deserve better, and Drax has no need for a substitute daughter-figure after
Heather was revived
.
 

jph139

Member
The whole DnA run is admirable in that it really makes a coherent stone soup out of the nonsense that is Cosmic Marvel. Like, you grab all of these weird esoteric 70s characters like Warlock and Quasar and Drax and Rocket Raccoon, you put them together, and it all has this huge sense of reality. Like, these characters have backgrounds, not just backstories - the whole universe feels lived in.

Because, well, it was. It developed organically from a bunch of different writers with a bunch of different styles. And somehow you get Annihilation, where all of these strange and obscure visions of the Marvel cosmos manage to play nice.
 

Altazor

Member
Thanks for all the replies, guys :)

Will now continue with my thoughts on War of Kings.
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Honestly, my experience with War of Kings started similarly to my experience with Annhiliation - not only because a lot of the main players in the saga were people I literally knew nothing about (my main experience with the space-related stuff the X-Men were involved in basically boiled down to a couple of episodes of the 90s Animated Series - seeing as the movies don't deal with those elements), but because I felt I had to read it just to make sense of one thing.
'Cause, you see, I told you I decided to keep on reading Hickman's Fantastic Four run. And, honestly speaking, it was a complete delight. It was funny and endearing and epic at parts, while also featuring quite an emotional gutpunch (spoilered in case you reaaaally don't know what I'm talking about)
Johnny Storm's death in the Negative Zone and the couple of issues that deal with its aftermath
are incredibly hard to read, especially if you've lost someone dear. That moment when The Thing breaks down crying... really moving.
Anyway, fast forward a couple of issues (FF #6, to be precise) and it starts with "Months ago..." and then I slowly realized that it was one of those situations. I mean, I didn't need to read all that happened just to make sense (because FF #6 literally recaps the ending of WoK on its first pages) but I thought that it'd probably be for the best.
Thus, once again I put Hickman's FF on hold and started reading War of Kings.

Do I regret it? Nope. It was really great, to be honest. Maybe, just maybe, I was expecting something a bit different but I can't honestly complain.

I started with The Rise and Fall of the Shi'ar Empire and, once again, found it rough - not because of the writing or the plot itself, but because there was too many characters and I barely knew any of them (I literally only knew Prof X and Nightcrawler), I had no context whatsoever as to what was happening (and what happened just before) and because Vulcan was an insufferable whiny brat whose constant temper tantrums endangered countless lives. I'm sure it was completely intentional, but man... it meant I had to suffer watching that idiot constantly whining and screaming and killing people. And then
he somehow managed to get to the top of th Shi'ar Empire by killing the newly resurrected D'ken, who was apparently a batshit crazy bloodthirsty ruler, and becoming Emperor himself
. Aw fuck, life's not really fair, is it?

Thankfully, Xavier's crew (which ends up partially merging with the Starjammers) is cool, some nice personalities in there. Warpath seemed a bit too tryhard to me, but the others were fine. And Havok... he kinda reminded me of Richard Rider: both thrust into a very difficult position, forced to deal with a situation immensely bigger than both of them while having family issues that need to be solved - though, in the case of Havok, that "family issue" is literally THE problem he has to deal with. Also, despite both of them being noble and heroic, I find him a bit more ruthless/rogue-ish than Nova (probably because he ended up being a member of space pirates instead of space police).

On the side of the Inhumans... well, they're just there. I knew about the Secret Invasion but I never imagined it would have the consequence of them deciding to take matters into their own hands by subverting and fulfilling their "destiny": they would return to the Kree, but not as tools to be used and discarded but as their rulers. That's interesting. Plus, the scene when
fucking RONAN decides to bow down to Black Bolt
was cool - movie Ronan would've never done such a thing. Poor Lee Pace got the short straw, 'cause movie Ronan could've been so much more. Anyway, I digress: from that point forward it was pretty much inevitable things would go pear shaped between a Shi'ar Imperium led by an ambitious expansionst psychopath and a Kree Empire spearheaded by a Royal Family that thought they were destined to elevate and evolve their society beyond stagnation.

So, in that regard, War of Kings really delivered: in contrast to the previous events (Annihilation Wave vs resistance, Phalanx vs resistance) neither of the two sides were actually "good". They were both looking out for their best self-interests and the rest be damned, 'cause that was their destiny or whatever. I guess the Shi'ar were worse considering
Vulcan had no qualms at all about using bombs that obliterate entire planets
and this thing got into high gear because
they decided to attack Crystal and Ronan's wedding
. But still, just shades of grey and... uh, grey that's almost black.

One detail I really liked was the thing with Darkhawk and the Fraternity of Raptors. Up until that point it seemed to be, yet again, the story of a nondescript earthling male that discovered an ancient alien artifact that gave him powers blah blah blah. Then it was revealed that
the Fraternity of Raptors were bad guys
. Oops. I liked that subversion. And how it all came together in the end was, once again, done wonderfully, with
Darkhawk's original evil personality killing Lilandra just when she was starting her coup against Vulcan and winning the support of many Shi'ar
. Crippling blow, and a very "OH SHIT" moment.

Except for the fact that the handy image I posted earlier in the OP had a very strange reading order and the whole impact of
Lilandra's assassination, Black Bolt's death, the detonation of the T-Bomb, the appearance of The Fault
was lessened because all that shit was revealed before it actually happened on the main event. I think the image has to be fixed. Seriously: if you read GOTG #08-17 before Nova #23-28, Ascension and the WoK #3-6 main event, as the aforementioned image suggests, you will get stuff absolutely spoiled. The correct reading order should be much more cumbersome (basically going from GOTG to Nova to Ascension to WoK for each issue) but at least the surprises would be kept as surprises until the intended moment.
On the other hand, good writing is still good writing despite you knowing what happens - so bless Abnett and Lanning for pulling it off, nonetheless.

Thus, despite Vulcan's being insufferable and having no character arc beyond "I'm pissed off at the Shi'ar -> I now lead the Shi'ar -> I want to kill everybody because I can't control my anger" and the Inhuman Royal Family (sans Crystal) being self-righteous bastards, the last part of the event really shines. I guess that's due to the Starjammers, the GOTG and (surprisingly?) Gladiator/Kallark being the heart and soul of the storyline. Hell, what happened to the GOTG felt equal parts epic and tragic, with
Adam Warlock becoming Magus, half of the team dislodged in time and visting futures that were but will never be and then returning to avoid Adam becoming Magus and barely succeeding but not without heavy losses
is one hell of a downer ending.

My man Nova was a bit more absent this time compared to the previous events in which he was front and center, but he got a nice plot here with the rebuilding of the Nova Corps,
the revelation that Ego had "hijacked" the Worldmind and then after saving it, having to "reboot" with a new personality gave us a emotional goodbye between Rich and the -then- Worldmind
and the resolution of his family issues. It was much more of a side-plot, and I'm still not very convinced by the character of Robbie Rider, but at least the other recruits are interesting.

All in all, it was a damn fine event. I would've liked a bit more depth into the main characters on each side (Vulcan/Inhumans) but I think I can't complain because most of their development must've been on earlier comics which I haven't read and are, obviously, not included here. Oh, I just remember I chuckled at Vulcan calling Black Bolt
a genocidal monster during their last battle
. Takes one to know one, huh? :p
In any case, the ending of this whole thing isn't very happy. I mean, a very costly war (yet another one...) has just ended - and while the cost of sentient lives is immense, it also leaves our main characters very weakened:
Black Bolt is gone. Lilandra is dead. Adam Warlock is dead, so are Mantis, Cosmo (nooooooo, fuck you Magus), Gamora and Phylla. Vulcan is also dead but no one cares... and the Fraternity of the Raptor is free again to start manipulating the Shi'ar Imperium
. Can it get even worse for our heroes? Will this be some Game of Throne type of shit in which the "good guys" can't catch any break and get their hopes constantly dashed? Or will there be a moment of hope in which they can start feeling like they've actually won something? We'll see about that...

Thanks for reading, guys. I'm sorry if my long winded stuff bored you. I appreciate your replies and, obviously, your thoughts on these sagas!
 

Altazor

Member
bumping my own thread (this is allowed now, right? If used sparingly instead of just making a dead thread constantly appear on the first page) by saying that:

A) I really don't understand why James Gunn dislikes Richard Rider/Nova.
B) Despite his dislike, I wish we could see Richard as Nova Prime on the big screen.
C) Man, I wish Marvel had the rights to Galactus/Silver Surfer/other cosmic stuff back. We could have a sort of "split" between Cosmic and Earth-based MCU movies after Avengers 4, each one with an ongoing storyline and maybe a character that could fluctuate between both (Capt. Marvel, probably)
 

Currygan

at last, for christ's sake
Hell yeah. I had so much fun when I read all the Cosmic Marvel stuff from Annihilation thru the Thanos Imperative. Cosmic Marvel is really cool! Annihilation honestly might be my favorite event comic series.

When
Galactus gets freed and obliterates half of Annihilus' entire fleet
was honestly one of the top Marvel moments in recent years, for me
 

Altazor

Member
When
Galactus gets freed and obliterates half of Annihilus' entire fleet
was honestly one of the top Marvel moments in recent years, for me

yeah, that was a great moment I honestly forgot to mention. After taking the L for so many issues, it really felt like a turning the tide (and how!) moment.
 

HStallion

Now what's the next step in your master plan?
Cosmic Marvel is best Marvel.

Years ago I'd never have agreed but today, yeah it really is. I think it might be as simple as its easier to buy the same insanity happening in space across the galaxy than it is on Earth alone.
 

HStallion

Now what's the next step in your master plan?
Also if I remember correctly the OP is right about to get to the shit with
Reality-10011 to keep it vague
. Have fun and get ready for some especially good fuckery involving Galactus.
 

Sinatar

Official GAF Bottom Feeder
When
Galactus gets freed and obliterates half of Annihilus' entire fleet
was honestly one of the top Marvel moments in recent years, for me

HERALD MY RAGE!

Fucking top tier.

Realm of Kings and Thanos Imperative are amazing. Be prepared to catch some feels OP.

Wraith was the truth, greatest character of the last 20 years

He hooked up with Poochy and fucked off back to his home planet, never to be seen again.
 

Altazor

Member
A whip gun broke the mold

when Wraith revealed he had a whip gun I legit didn't know whether to laugh or facepalm or both. That and his fucking motorcycle

Also if I remember correctly the OP is right about to get to the shit with
Reality-10011 to keep it vague
. Have fun and get ready for some especially good fuckery involving Galactus.

didn't read the spoilered part but thanks! Started reading Realm of Kings earlier so I guess I'm gonna get into The Thanos Imperative by the weekend.
 

Sinatar

Official GAF Bottom Feeder
Also no comment about Nova's great meeting with Iron Man?

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Abnett & Lanning throwing mad shade at that colossal goatfuck known as Civil War was great.
 

Altazor

Member
LOL, yeah. I was going to mention that and the "What If..." - both throwing shade at Civil War with the "we were basically savin the universe out there and you were squabbling over that?!"

the end of that "What If..." really got me, too. At least managed to sort of redeem the CW storyline.
 

Sinatar

Official GAF Bottom Feeder
Stark/Shield: Rider, you must register, join our new initiative as a registered super hero!

Rider: You're stupid. All of this is stupid. You know what? Fuck this, I'm going back to space.
 

Daingurse

Member
Also no comment about Nova's great meeting with Iron Man?

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Abnett & Lanning throwing mad shade at that colossal goatfuck known as Civil War was great.

Haha, yeah this was fantastic. Made all the bullshit on earth feel so petty and trivial. The entire fucking universe is on the line, and these idiots are fighting each other lol. And I actually liked Civil War! lol.
 

Dalek

Member
Also no comment about Nova's great meeting with Iron Man?

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Abnett & Lanning throwing mad shade at that colossal goatfuck known as Civil War was great.

Maybe I'm not remembering right but wasn't this from a What If special about Annihilation instead of the actual event?
 

Altazor

Member
nope, that's from one of the Nova issues that closed Annihilation... issue #2, if I'm not mistaken.

also, read Realm of Kings (one-shot) and a couple of the GOTG related issues.

WHAT THE FUCK

we Lovecraft now?
 

HStallion

Now what's the next step in your master plan?
nope, that's from one of the Nova issues that closed Annihilation... issue #2, if I'm not mistaken.

also, read Realm of Kings (one-shot) and a couple of the GOTG related issues.

WHAT THE FUCK

we Lovecraft now?

I should have mentioned this next arc contains a lot weird and crazy shit even for cosmic marvel, its great.
 

VanWinkle

Member
I love cosmic stuff. I still need to read Annihilation and Annihilation Conquest (which most people say was better).

Have you read Green Lantern by Geoff Johns? It is also incredible, very sprawling, but more intimate in terms of what's happening at once.

Darkhawk was the break out character for War of Kings

Hahaha
 

Altazor

Member
I should have mentioned this next arc contains a lot weird and crazy shit even for cosmic marvel, its great.

uh... it seems so. Damn fine change of pace, to be honest. Keeps me on my toes because I literally don't know what to expect.

I love cosmic stuff. I still need to read Annihilation and Annihilation Conquest (which most people say was better).

Have you read Green Lantern by Geoff Johns? It is also incredible, very sprawling, but more intimate in terms of what's happening at once.

You should read them, I think you'd find a lot to like :)

And no, I haven't read the GL run by Johns. One of my best friends is a GL fanboy though - he has told me how good it is, and I'll ask him to lend me his TPBs in the future!

As for the bump itself... just finished reading GOTG #24 and, huh
not only Magus tricked Star-Lord into thinking he was dead and so were Phylla/Gamora/Major Victory/Mantis/Cosmo, but now Thanos is back!? "You're fired."

Goddammit. What a way to end an issue, huh. Can't wait to see what happens next (though now I gotta read what happened to Nova)
 
As a kid getting into comics in the early 80s, because I got into comics through Star Wars as much as any superhero stuff, I think the space stories definitely hooked me in to comics reading.

For me it wasn't so much the cosmic Jim Starliny stuff that is feeding into the MCU these days, it was the Starjammers / Sh'iar / Imperial Guard / Brood stuff in X-Men on the Marvel side and on the DC side it was the Legion during and after the classic Giffen run.

Loved all that stuff, although I haven't read any of it in a looooooooong time.
 

Altazor

Member
Finished Realm of Kings

Well that as different, huh? Felt more like a prelude, or an interlude between big events than something that could really stand on its own. I mean, there's not even a conclusion! It just leads to The Thanos Imperative so it's slightly anticlimactic. Hell, even Nova's storyline felt a bit sideplot-ish except for the one at the very end.

We learned a couple of reasonably important things, especially
Thanos being revived
. After that, I'd say the only things to take away from this were
the existence of the Cancerverse and the Fault being a "tunnel" to it; that Magus was alive and is still on the prowl; that the GOTG we previously thought of as "dead" were also alive... and the fact that the Kree and Shi'ar are willing to band together to fight the Cancerverse threat
. On a relatively minor scale we now know that Kallark prefers being "just" a soldier instead of
being Majestor of the Shi'ar Imperium
and that Medusa's willing to do a lot of stuff to strengthen the Kree-Inhuman bonds. Yay, I guess?

So there's The Thanos Imperative... should I keep reading Annihilators after that (as in "is that storyline worth it?") or should TTI be the end point of my Cosmic Marvel reading enterprise?
 

Sinatar

Official GAF Bottom Feeder
So there's The Thanos Imperative... should I keep reading Annihilators after that (as in "is that storyline worth it?") or should TTI be the end point of my Cosmic Marvel reading enterprise?

Annihilators is fun, it doesn't really tie into anything, but it's pretty cool watching the most unbelievably overpowered super team ever fuck shit up.
 

HStallion

Now what's the next step in your master plan?
Finished Realm of Kings

Well that as different, huh? Felt more like a prelude, or an interlude between big events than something that could really stand on its own. I mean, there's not even a conclusion! It just leads to The Thanos Imperative so it's slightly anticlimactic. Hell, even Nova's storyline felt a bit sideplot-ish except for the one at the very end.

We learned a couple of reasonably important things, especially
Thanos being revived
. After that, I'd say the only things to take away from this were
the existence of the Cancerverse and the Fault being a "tunnel" to it; that Magus was alive and is still on the prowl; that the GOTG we previously thought of as "dead" were also alive... and the fact that the Kree and Shi'ar are willing to band together to fight the Cancerverse threat
. On a relatively minor scale we now know that Kallark prefers being "just" a soldier instead of
being Majestor of the Shi'ar Imperium
and that Medusa's willing to do a lot of stuff to strengthen the Kree-Inhuman bonds. Yay, I guess?

So there's The Thanos Imperative... should I keep reading Annihilators after that (as in "is that storyline worth it?") or should TTI be the end point of my Cosmic Marvel reading enterprise?

Shits about to hit the fan. Enjoy.
 

Altazor

Member
Welp, finished The Thanos Imperative.

I'm not crying, it's just that something got in my eye...

It felt like the actual endpoint, you know? Like it was literally the last act of this narrative - I know the nature of comics mean they don't really "end" unless they're self-contained graphic novels, they get cancelled or their entire universe ends in a crossover event. But this felt like Abnett and Lanning really thought about writing something that felt "finale"; a three-act structure with a clear narrative progression:

Act 1: Annihilation/Conquest (universe gets raided/zerg-rushed by foreign enemy, needs to unite wildly disparate factions to combat it; another enemy seizes the opportunity after the war ends, fractures unity, universe remains in a fragile state)
Act 2: War of Kings (
two big warring factions against each other caring little about other factions end up tearing the fabric of the universe itself due to their shortsightedness
, the GOTG and the
new Nova Corps
are created to protect the universe and each have rough starts)
Act 3: Realm of Kings/The Thanos Imperative (universe gets raided
by entities from a different universe, pouring out from that tear in the fabric of the universe provoked by the War of Kings
, needs to unite disparate factions to combat it; the GOTG and Nova must fulfill the role they were destined for)

So the last act kinda mirrors the first (as George Lucas would say: "it's like poetry, it rhymes") while bringing the narrative itself to a close. In terms of structure, The Thanos Imperative feels leaner and shorter than previous big events, but I get it (or I think I do): having tie-ins would be unnecessary ('cause everybody's literally fighting the same thing) or irrelevant to the main plot (again, they're all fighting the same thing, there's no "time" for side stories), so it's just that 6 issues + Ignition and Devastation. It's lean, it's mean and it's all quality.

Despite the fact that I haven't read The Death of Captain Marvel I find it was a damn nice touch to have
the Cancerverse version of Mar-vell be the main antagonist (we know it's the Many Angled Ones, but he's their main representative) of this. It felt like a very perverse defiling of a classic, emotional moment - thus it hit the right notes.
You're supposed to be unsettled by this, and you are. Well done.

The gambit that
Thanos
played was also well done. Star-lord and Rocket's reaction at that exact moment (end of Issue #5) reflected my inner thoughts quite well... then it was revealed that it was, in fact, a gambit and
Mar-Vell had brought death into the Cancerverse
. Oops. Get rekt, dude.
But then things go bad because
Thanos goes all "Nice Guy" and handles rejection quite poorly
. That's a bit of an understatement but you catch my drift.

Thus we come to the end... oh boy, after finishing Realm of Kings I had a feeling
Nova wouldn't make it out alive
. I thought I had seen a clear narrative arc that I thought would conclude with The Thanos Imperative. On the other hand
Star-Lord also deciding to sacrifice himself
I never saw coming... and maybe I should've, because there's also a clear narrative arc that makes sense. I'll explain.
For Nova, he started out as a rookie, a non-descript human with powers that belonged to an intergalactic police force or whatever. After the destruction of said police force he became the sole custodian of the Nova Force and the keeper of the entire Xandarian culture - a role thrust upon him by force, pretty much without his consent, because there was no one else. He slowly grew into the role and became accustomed to the powers the NF bestowed him and proved himself in battle by killing Annihilus. Then he had to deal with the Phalanx invasion, getting assimilated and then breaking free, and then helping in the fight against Ultron. After that, he had to deal with the fact that the Nova Corps were no more - and while the (then) corruputed Worldmind rebuilt the Corps without his consent -again-, he managed to keep the best of the new recruits and actually rebuild the Corps. So he went from rookie to unlikely hero to founder/rebuilder all in a year or so. On a personal side, he had to deal with his own feelings of inadequacy, then his inability to "fit" on Earth after the Annihilation War, then the strained relationship with his brother - things he solved throughout the course of the story. Hell, he even managed to sort-of have closure with his previously dead girlfriend, a brief second chance to actually say goodbye. Not everybody gets that.
And then, by the time The Thanos Imperative rolls by, he managed to go from rookie to unlikely hero to mentor of a new generation to actual big damn hero. It's one hell of a narrative arc - and thus I had in the back of my mind, all the time, "he's gonna die. He achieved what was previously unthinkable and succeeded beyond his wildest dreams. He has nothing more to atone for. He's totally gonna sacrifice himself to save the universe"... and he did.

Peter Quill, on the other hand... he went from a bitter asshole in jail to a resistance fighter to head of security of the Kree Empire. There, his one oversight meant the start of the Phalanx invasion - so that became the motivation for his continual search for redemption. He had abandoned the moniker "Star-Lord" after his actions doomed a Kree colony (but saved countless lived), and now he had inadvertently opened the proverbial door to the Phalanx - so it was time to take action and atone for his sins. Thus, he decided the Galaxy needed Guardians to protect it.
But in his zeal, he began the team with a "lie" (making Mantis telepathically "nudge" the others into accepting becoming part of the team) - thus (secretly) breaking the trust of most of them. Bad start. So he had to pay for mis mistake, as well-intentioned as it was - cast out from the team and exiled into the Negative Zone. He managed to return just in time to put a stop to the budding War of Kings... he failed, of course, but after time travel shenanigans he was forced to make the hard choice and he did (apparently killing Adam, his friend, to save the universe).
So by the time The Thanos Imperative rolled by, I didn't realize he had also managed to grow, recover his own sense of self-worth (really, I found him obnoxious at the start with his "Star-Lord is deaaaaaad, I'm just Peter Quill!" shit), become a quite decent leader, a comrade and an actual friend to the rest of the GOTG. Thus his sacrifice made sense: by staying with Nova in the Cancerverse to stop NiceGuyThanos from returning to the "normal" Universe he was literally fulfilling his own dream and mission. And, with a nice (unintentional?) callback to the moment he renounced the moniker "Star-Lord", now he just had to sacrifice his own life to save everybody instead of a bunch of lives to save others. He made the hardest choice of all.

I guess Rocket Raccoon said it best:
"why'd you guys have to be such heroes?"

That ending :(

And while I know nothing and nobody really stays dead in comics (except Uncle Ben), this -once again- felt like the actual ending to the narrative and/or, at least, to this incarnation of
Peter and Richard
. So I suppose that even if they do come back, they won't be the exact same characters - every writer has a different style, different priorities and plans in mind.
So... godspeed guys, it has been an honor.

Quite a fucking ride. I regret nothing. Abnett and Lanning... well done, guys. Really well done. Take a bow.

Thanks all of you for reading my walls of text and posting your thoughts in this thread, and thanks for the suggestions too! Hopefully I didn't bore you :)
 

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Congrats on making it through it all.

Now I want you to make me a solemn vow, Repeat after me:

"I will *NEVER* read the Original Sin Guardians of the Galaxy tie in. I will not let Brian Michael Bendis take a steaming shit directly in my mouth."

EDIT: Oh and if you're pondering Annihilators, take a look at the membership of the team and you'll know what to do.

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